Can outsiders with the evil subtype take profane / negative energy damage?


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Can outsiders with the evil subtype take profane / negative energy damage?


Yes most will there is no reason they wouldn't.


Yes. Any immunity the creature might possess is noted in its defensive qualities. An example from Fire-elementals:

Bestiary - Fire Elemental, Large wrote:

DEFENSE

AC 19, touch 15, flat-footed 13 (+5 Dex, +1 dodge, +4 natural, –1 size)
hp 60 (8d10+16)
Fort +8, Ref +11, Will +4
DR 5/—; Immune elemental traits, fire
Weaknesses vulnerability to cold

Here you can see the fire-elemental is immune to fire-damage and whatever is covered by elemental traits. The traits can be found under the creature type.

Hope it helps.

-Nearyn


Outsiders are alive, they have constitution scores. Creatures which are not alive do not have constitution scores.

Anything alive is affected by positive or negative energy damage in the normal manner (positive heals, negative harms) unless there is wording to the contrary (such as negative energy affinity).

In case this question is due to the Alignment Channel feat, the reason that feat exists is so you can heal or harm outsiders without worrying about healing or harming other creatures.


Which leads to weird things like two succubi being able to try to screw each other to death.


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Sounds like something they'd do when bored.


What about unholy damage?


Holy/Unholy is not universally defined as affecting/not affecting specific alignments. It should be but it isn't. Look at the specific ability description for guidance.


So unless it's specifically stated to not affect fiends (like Hellfire) then it still affects them until stated otherwise. Gotcha.

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Holy/unholy is more like an adjective that attaches to damage types. Negative and positive energy is a phenomena like fire or electricity. It has its own properties that exist in the game world. That's what makes it interesting. Positive energy creates organic life whereas negative energy destroys it and creates a mockery of life. The only connection between positive/negative energy and alignments stems from the alignment restrictions in the cleric's channel positive/negative energy. Even with that, many people argue such features should have been divorced from alignment since there's many examples where an evil entity can be a life giver (like Lamashtu) and a good entities using negative energy to smite evil.

Unfortunately, 4th and 5th Edition just say "screw that" and combined holy/unholy and positive/negative energy into an abstract damage type to turn damage types into Pokemon.

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