Mystic Theurge as a six level caster:


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This is just myself wondering- What if Mysic Theurge was a Six-Level caster, drawing upon the Wizard and Cleric list?


I really like this idea, but I'm not sure how it would be implemented. Would you still have two different casting stats? Two different spell lists?


A nice class feature for this may be something like fervor, but allowing you to cast a healing or buffing spell as a free action whenever you cast any spell from the arcane side.


Melkiador wrote:
A nice class feature for this may be something like fervor, but allowing you to cast a healing or buffing spell as a free action whenever you cast any spell from the arcane side.

While not exactly 3.0 haste, it's dangerously close.


Nyaa wrote:
Melkiador wrote:
A nice class feature for this may be something like fervor, but allowing you to cast a healing or buffing spell as a free action whenever you cast any spell from the arcane side.
While not exactly 3.0 haste, it's dangerously close.

You could say the same about Fervor. This is basically to prop a 6 level spell caster up to be 9th level equivalent. If you limit the combos to healing and buffing, it shouldn't get too out of hand. Other limitations could be added on as needed. But I really suspect that with this ability, this class would still not be as powerful as a full wizard or full cleric.

Verdant Wheel

maybe 1/2 BAB but more spells/day than other 6-level casters and can learn spells from any list.

maybe a "domain/mystery" grants 9 spells levels 1-9 at odd levels (1/3/5/7/9/11/13/15/17) to cast 1/day as a spell-like ability?

+1 to the "friendly fervor" idea. maybe as part of a Mysticism pool which allows repeats of Sp ability (above) and other perks (bonus on spell penetration?)...

cool idea.


You could ban spells that require an attack roll or require a saving throw (note that "harmless" spells allow but do not require one).


Among the homebrew classes I use in my games is one called the Theurge- it does exactly this. It is essentially a 6 level caster with the wizard/sorcerer list and a 6 level caster with the cleric/oracle list at the same time, getting twice as many spells per day and known as a normal 6 level caster. I had both sides key off charisma rather than splitting casting stats.

Class features included a dualcasting ability usable charisma mod/day, and a 'Calling' akin to bloodlines or domains, which gave a number of unique powers and spells known, some at discounted levels. The net effect was you got 1-2 spells above 6th level castable, but that was it. A list of talents including familiars, limited domain powers, and some outsider-related abilities finished off the class.

Verdant Wheel

can we see this class, Stark_?


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Absolutely. Here's a link.

This is not quite completely polished, and definitely will be going through some revisions, but the idea is functional.


I could see this as a magus archetype. Trade some arcana/arcance pool and spell recall for cleric spells, spontaneous cure/inflict spells, maybe even a domain.

I'd still also want to see a theurge full-caster base class. I'm sure it's been done before.

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