Is the lance the ONLY two-handed weapon to be one-handed and lethal while mounted?

[JiCi]

Sounds a little... odd that only the lance can do that.

I'm looking for a way to make any weapon from the spear weapon group, the group where the lance belongs, to be as efficient as the lance.

Any way to make a longspear wieldable in one hand while mounted, or to make a trident deal double or triple damage on a charge?

I could expand this to weapons from the polearm group... but one thing at the time, shall we? ^_^

[deuxhero]

(Qadiran) Horselord Cavlaier at level 6 gets the double damage on one handed slashing weapons. Ask the GM how this works with the Weapon Versatility feat and if the feat makes the weapon of your choice a "slashing weapon" when used to deal slashing damage, or a "piercing weapon" that is doing slashing damage.

Another cavalier archetype gets an additional multipler (2 for normal, 3 for lance, 4 for lance+spirited charge), but that's the capstone and better with a lance.

[Imbicatus]

Three levels of Phalanx Soldier fighter will allow you to one-hand any spear/polearm when wielding a shield, including while mounted.

[Devilkiller]

Unfortunately the weapon counts as one-handed when a Phalanx Fighter uses it in one hand (unless it is a Lance being used while mounted, in which case I'd assume you can ignore the special ability to gain the usual benefit if you wish)

[graystone]

Flambard: When proficient with it and the bastard sword you can wield it in 1 hand. Can't help you with the spear group part.

[Magda Luckbender]

Pathfinder et al skips over it, because it's a nit-picky detail, but a knight-in-armor typically held a lance in a Lance Rest, which distributed impact shock to the armor and, thence, to the mount. This 'lance rest' is actually what allows a lance to be used effectively in one hand. Rather than go into the detail of 'well, if you have a Lance Rest then a lance can be used to maximum effect in one hand, otherwise you must either hold it in two hands or do reduced damage', they wisely just ignore this detail and assume all lance-wielders have appropriate gear.

It would be silly if the Pathfinder devs ruled that a knight with a charging lance doesn't actually hit very hard, by neglecting the use of a Lance Rest. So they just ignore (simplify) the topic of Lance Rest and make an exception for lances.

If you want a more realistic system, in GURPS a properly-braced lance charge uses the strength of the mount for damage calculations. How much detail do you want in your RPG?

[JiCi]

Magda Luckbender wrote:

Pathfinder et al skips over it, because it's a nit-picky detail, but a knight-in-armor typically held a lance in a Lance Rest, which distributed impact shock to the armor and, thence, to the mount. This 'lance rest' is actually what allows a lance to be used effectively in one hand. Rather than go into the detail of 'well, if you have a Lance Rest then a lance can be used to maximum effect in one hand, otherwise you must either hold it in two hands or do reduced damage', they wisely just ignore this detail and assume all lance-wielders have appropriate gear.

It would be silly if the Pathfinder devs ruled that a knight with a charging lance doesn't actually hit very hard, by neglecting the use of a Lance Rest. So they just ignore (simplify) the topic of Lance Rest and make an exception for lances.

If you want a more realistic system, in GURPS a properly-braced lance charge uses the strength of the mount for damage calculations. How much detail do you want in your RPG?

I kinda understood that something is technically holding the lance... or else, how on Earth would you be able to use it as a one-handed weapon, as per the rules?

My question is that the lance is the ONLY weapon that 1) deals multiplied damage on a charge and 2) is considered a one-handed weapon while mounted. There is no other weapon that has these same exact qualities.

This is why I'm asking this. A lance is part of the Spear weapon group, so is there something out there that allows a mounted warrior to use another weapon to wield just as effectively and to deal just as desvatating results as wielding a lance?

You talked about a lance rest. Ok, well, in a world where technological advances go into several directions, did someone ever come up with a spear rest or a tiger folk rest?

While it's true that the lance is held tucked under your armpit... or at least rested on your shoulder, did someone out there make a regular one-handed piercing weapon capable of dealing as much potential as the regular lance?

Feel free to call shenagigans, but I've seen TONS of characters in other medias mounted on horses, or other kinds of beasts, and wielding something similar to an actual spear, not a cavalry lance... so I'm sure that there's something out there.

[Dave Justus]

Alexander's Companion cavalry famously used a long spear while mounted on horseback. Like in the Pathfinder system, in the real world this precluded the use of a shield.

The lance was a technological development specifically to harness the power of a charging horse while using a shield for defense. It is what it was designed to do, and it is appropriate that it be better at it that other weapons in the system.

[Imbicatus]

You can make any weapon do double damage on a charge with Spirited Charge. The lance still does triple damage with the feat, but it gives your mounted charges more damage with non-lance weapons.