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Hi all,
I'm about to run Skull & Shackles for an online PbP game ...
I have one player who wants to play a character with DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), and I finally have the game mechanics worked out for that one -- after about 100 emails back and forth to cover how a level one character can have two personalities, one of them knowing about the other (the Mr. Hyde option if you like ...) whereas the normal persona does not recall anything about when Mr. Hyde takes over ... but as I said, we have that worked out :)
One of my other players (who knows NOTHING at all about the above player) has made two characters up and can't decide between the Tiefling Vivisectionist and the Sylph Alchemist / Grenadier ... so they want to play a character with a personality disorder who randomly wakes up as one of the two characters (with neither of the persona's knowing anything of the other ....)
Are Tiefling (and Aasimar I guess) who are both already half-XXX with their otherworldly / planar beings able to breed with others ...
Are they as a race sterile ???
I know that Radovan (from Dave Gross' fantastic PF novels) gets "around" and there haven't been any "ladies" who have turned up to pronounce the tiefling as the father to her child ... but they are books (and fantastic ones at that), so don't always obey the game mechanics :)
What I would like to be able to tell my player is that YES, you can be a half-tiefling with Sylph heritage or NO, Tiefling are Sterile so there is no way they could have bred with your mother / father ...
I've tried to find anything on this, but alas it doesn't seem to have been raised anywhere else :(
I look forward to the communities comments on this,
Thanks,
NGP
Assimar and tieflings are not half-blooded. An aasimar is descended from a half-celestial. A tiefling is descended from a half-fiend.
These two races just pop up every now and again. They are usually born of two human parents, neither of whom are plane-touched (aasimar or tiefling). You can sort of think of it as a recessive gene. So, just as a child might be born with traits of his grandparents, red hair and the like, which are not possessed by the parents, so too can an aasimar or tiefling child be born of two seemingly normal individuals.
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Thanks both of you for correcting my not half-human thing ... awesome :)
@ LazarX So you're saying that if a Tiefling or Aasimar "conjoined" with a Sylph (or another humanoid race), the product of their union would be a Sylph (or same humanoid race) or a Human ??
@ Detect Magic If so, what would be the product of a Tiefling / Tiefling (Aasimar / Aasimar) union ??? Would that also be a human (or the race which orginally had the recessive celestial / fiendish gene) ???
Players Eh??? We GM's would be so much happier without players ... LOL
"nope, one profoundly complicated mental disorder per game."
^new rule I just came up with.
Thanks both of you for correcting my not half-human thing ... awesome :)
@ LazarX So you're saying that if a Tiefling or Aasimar "conjoined" with a Sylph (or another humanoid race), the product of their union would be a Sylph (or same humanoid race) or a Human ??
@ Detect Magic If so, what would be the product of a Tiefling / Tiefling (Aasimar / Aasimar) union ??? Would that also be a human (or the race which orginally had the recessive celestial / fiendish gene) ???
Players Eh??? We GM's would be so much happier without players ... LOL
sylphs are also native outsiders who are human descended (usually) so the child would most likely be a human with sorcerer potential of the celestial or djinni bloodlines.
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@ +5 Toaster OK, so what we're saying is there would be NO SUCH THING as a half-tiefling / half-aasimar / half-sylph / half-outsider ??
None at all ??
So they are, as races, indeed infertile ??
Tieflings / Aasimar / Sylphs / Outsiders CANNOT breed with any other humanoid race :)
That's all I'm after :)
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"nope, one profoundly complicated mental disorder per game."
^new rule I just came up with.
LOL ... my players really love to push the "Roleplay" element by making their characters a challenge to play ...
The only one proviso I have is that they would have a reason to stay with each other ...
I will tolerate pretty much any type of character, but a group of four "Lone Wolves" wouldn't stay together, so that is my one stipulation as a DM
Of course, neither of those two players is currently aware the other player has a mental disorder -- so I can't even tell them that rule or they will know ...
Damn you Catch-22 rules :)
No, they are fertile.
If aasimar/tiefling get it on with a Sylph or other pseudo-genasi.
You have to pick which side is more dominate, or make the off-spring human.
if you really want a hybrid you'll need to use the ARG to make a hybrid of the two races, and Keep the RP between 8 to 16.
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@ Azure_zero It's certainly looking that way :)
Thanks everyone (and I've already told my Player "No" to creating a new race just to fit their personality disordered character ...)
Of course, mechanically, this is also a nightmare, but I'll work on that ... LOL
Thanks everyone, awesoem responses as always :)
NGP
No, they are fertile.
If aasimar/tiefling get it on with a Sylph or other pseudo-genasi.
You have to pick which side is more dominate, or make the off-spring human.
if you really want a hybrid you'll need to use the ARG to make a hybrid of the two races, and Keep the RP between 8 to 16.
this, and if you do please post cause that sounds crazy awesome.
edit: actually i might have an easier idea. instead just replace the aasimars resistances with the resist of the geniekin plus add their elemental affinity... maybe lose daylight too.
They could be a sorcerer with the Celestial Bloodline. Or, they could be any class and take the Eldritch Heritage feat. I find that it's a good feat for explaining how your great-great grandfather was a balor :)
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It's not that hard to make a hybrid race since the sylphs don't actually get that much besides "is a native outsider." You could make a plausible aasimar/tiefling sylph by exchanging the celestial/fiendish resistances for electric resist only + the feather fall SLA. I might try a more thorough race build later.
It's not that hard to make a hybrid race since the sylphs don't actually get that much besides "is a native outsider." You could make a plausible aasimar/tiefling sylph by exchanging the celestial/fiendish resistances for electric resist only + the feather fall SLA. I might try a more thorough race build later.
hey thats kinda what i said only a little bit better ;)
None of the plane-touched races (Aasimars, Ifits, Oreads, Sylphs, Tieflings, or Undines) are true-breeding. Their offspring will most likely be humans.
In your example, where two planet-touched of the same type yield offspring, I'd say the likelihood of producing planet-touched children is increased (but not guaranteed).
If a character inherits the "genes" for multiple outsider types, the player should decide which race to use (representing which traits are favored). They could further grab "Eldritch Heritage" feats to augment this base. In this way you could have a Tiefling with powers from the Elemental (Air) bloodline, if she also has a Sylph or Djinn ancestor.
Another option would be to play a Human Wild-blooded Sorcerer, choosing two bloodlines which match your character's background.
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My take—tieflings, aasiimars, and the like are already "diluted" enough genetically that any children they have or sire with another creature is likely to end up either being that creature or a tiefling. But that child and its children will carry the remote possibility down the line of giving birth or siring a tiefling in the future.
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Once again, thanks all ... the paizo community is the best gaming community in the world ;)
@ Detect Magic I think that wraps it up very well mate (and thanks James Jacobs for the reinforcement of DM's and others' ideas ...) :)
Just FYI, the player is going with his Sylph Ninja, and he has jotted down his background through a poem if anyone would like to read it, it's
I want a girl who can play it cool...
I want a girl who can impress...
I want a girl who can face her enemies then fall from great heights without duress.
I want a girl who's been cut off from daddy
I want a girl who's used to the best
I want a girl who does uses drugs for entertainment and that laughs at locks that bind treasure chest
I want a girl who's mom was a dancer
I want a girl who can see through the smoke
I want a girl who blows all her booty and is always on the verge of being flat broke.
I want a girl who can walk on water
I want a girl who can walk on air
I want a girl who cheats her way through life and believes its her right and that's perfectly fair...
I want a girl who moves like a ninja
I want a girl who looks like a Sylph
I want a girl who can be sweet as an angel or foul as a b$!*&
Once again, thanks all for your advice / suggestions / comments :)
Sorcerer bloodlines, dude.
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Given Aasimir and Tieflings can spring up in seemingly normal bloodlines at nearly any time Id say there is equally a chance of offspring being normal maybe with a bit of bloodline sorcery talent or 100% plane touched. The blood is supernatural doesn't really have to follow any sensible guidelines of genetics per say.