Rough and Ready. Use Profession wand maker/magic item creation or something similar. As the trait says "Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons".
Or, if you want to reopen the pages long debate, wands treated as a weapon-like object can also be drawn as a free action as part of a move. ;)
I had missed that debate. What was it about? Wands are explicitly called out as something you can draw as part of a move action.
Rough and Ready. Use Profession wand maker/magic item creation or something similar. As the trait says "Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons".Hmm, wonder if that would override the 'not for wands' feature of the Quickdraw feat.
Free action draw a wand? Yes please. ;)
It makes them weapons that don't have a non-proficiency penalty. No reason you can't draw them like any other weapon. ;)
There is already a wand you can do this with:Icicle Wand is a wand AND a dagger.
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The description for each of the three compartments specifically state that they can hold "...objects of the same general size and shape..." so why not wands? Why do people argue that they can't?Internet loves nothing better than argument, unless it's bacon.
Dude! You are one of the (only?) loudest voices against this. You don't get to make snark comments like that when you actively engage.
It's not bypassing, it's making an item count as more than one item. Pull out a potion to drink is a move. Now load it into a launching crossbow while you have crossbow mastery for it and it only takes a free action. It's because you where able to use it as more than one thing, alchemical weapon and ammo.
Another example is adding throwing to your melee weapon and now you can use it for abilities that work with ranged and not melee.
All Rough and Ready does is add weapon to the ways a wand is used.
Only Americans love bacon so much.The description for each of the three compartments specifically state that they can hold "...objects of the same general size and shape..." so why not wands? Why do people argue that they can't?Internet loves nothing better than argument, unless it's bacon.
Why are you lying on the internet?
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Rough and Ready. Use Profession wand maker/magic item creation or something similar. As the trait says "Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons".Hmm, wonder if that would override the 'not for wands' feature of the Quickdraw feat.
Free action draw a wand? Yes please. ;)
It makes them weapons that don't have a non-proficiency penalty. No reason you can't draw them like any other weapon. ;)
There is already a wand you can do this with:Icicle Wand is a wand AND a dagger.
Rough and Ready
Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons and makes them more effective for that purpose than they would normally be.
Benefit: When you use a tool of your trade (requiring at least 1 rank in the appropriate Craft or Profession skill) as a weapon, you do not take the improvised weapon penalty and instead receive a +1 trait bonus on your attack. This trait is commonly used with shovels, picks, blacksmith hammers, and other sturdy tools — lutes and brooms make terribly fragile weapons.
You should consider the benefit, not the description without the mechanics.
It don't make the tool a weapon when you draw it, it remove the "improvised weapon penalty" and give "a +1 trait bonus on your attack". End of the benefits.
Rough and Ready
Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons and makes them more effective for that purpose than they would normally be.
Benefit: When you use a tool of your trade (requiring at least 1 rank in the appropriate Craft or Profession skill) as a weapon, you do not take the improvised weapon penalty and instead receive a +1 trait bonus on your attack. This trait is commonly used with shovels, picks, blacksmith hammers, and other sturdy tools — lutes and brooms make terribly fragile weapons.
You should consider the benefit, not the description without the mechanics.
It don't make the tool a weapon when you draw it, it remove the "improvised weapon penalty" and give "a +1 trait bonus on your attack". End of the benefits.
At worst, an improvised weapon is STILL a weapon. AT best, you compare the wording from Martial Weapon Proficiency: "You make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty)."
So it turns it into a weapon you're proficient in and gives a +1 to hit. By my reading that's the benefits you wanted me to read. If you really want to quibble over improvised vs normal weapons you could but it has no impact on abilities that need/use a weapon.
Assuming wands count as weapons. they can also be done so-excluding quick draw as it cites the example in specific.
It's really quite easy to make most things count as a weapon (spells not included) for the purposes of feats and such. Just gets hard when you try to enchant stuff
My reading of it is that the list of items listed is a list of items not normally counted as a weapon. As such I'd allow the trait + quickdraw to work as I think it switches from not a weapon to weapon.
I can see a reading of it as just a prohibitive list so I'll leave it up to a judgment call.
EDIT: the prohibited list approach also means that an Icicle Wand can't be quickdrawn even though it's a dagger. It's one of the reason I rule the other way.
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Rough and Ready
Your intense familiarity with the tools of your trade allows you to use them in combat as if they were actual weapons and makes them more effective for that purpose than they would normally be.
Benefit: When you use a tool of your trade (requiring at least 1 rank in the appropriate Craft or Profession skill) as a weapon, you do not take the improvised weapon penalty and instead receive a +1 trait bonus on your attack. This trait is commonly used with shovels, picks, blacksmith hammers, and other sturdy tools — lutes and brooms make terribly fragile weapons.
You should consider the benefit, not the description without the mechanics.
It don't make the tool a weapon when you draw it, it remove the "improvised weapon penalty" and give "a +1 trait bonus on your attack". End of the benefits.At worst, an improvised weapon is STILL a weapon. AT best, you compare the wording from Martial Weapon Proficiency: "You make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty)."
So it turns it into a weapon you're proficient in and gives a +1 to hit. By my reading that's the benefits you wanted me to read. If you really want to quibble over improvised vs normal weapons you could but it has no impact on abilities that need/use a weapon.
I allow to draw wands while moving, as they are weapon like object, but your statement are simply wrong.
"At worst, an improvised weapon is STILL a weapon." No, it isn't. That is why it is an improvised weapon.
"So it turns it into a weapon you're proficient in and gives a +1 to hit." Wrong again. You are inferring something that isn't there. Removing the non-proficient penalty don't give you proficiency. The rules don't work that way.
Only proficiency give you proficiency. Note that there are several feats to get proficiency with weapons and other implements, You don't get the same benefit for a trait and a skill point.
You can't take this trait and 1 skill point in Profession (soldier) and claim proficency in every weapon that exist in the game.
Diego Rossi:
"No, it isn't. That is why it is an improvised weapon.": So improvised weapons aren't weapons? Really? An attack with them isn't an attack with a weapon? Don't they have weapon dice? LOL Improvised weapon is a kind of weapon. If you're going to focus on the words in front of weapon, then no weapon can ever be used as the all have ranged/melee/light/one handed and/or two handed.
"Wrong again. You are inferring something that isn't there. Removing the non-proficient penalty don't give you proficiency. The rules don't work that way.": Martial weapon proficiency feat doesn't grant proficiency. It explains what proficiency is though. It's the ability to "make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty)." How is this not true with Rough and Ready? Please point out what non-proficient penalty you take with it? If you can't, how is it not proficiency?
If you disagree, then please feel free to post an explanation of proficiency that overrides what the proficiency feat says. Proficiency is the lack of any non-proficient penalty; that's it. Instead of me inferring, you seem to be adding to the rules.