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Aboleth Lung just says it affects creatures touched but with reach spell you can conceivably touch a large number of enemies. There isn't a limit built into the spell besides it saying you have to split the duration amongst all targets. It doesn't even have the usual caveat of requiring duration to be split into a minimum amount. Can you just affect as many people as you want with Aboleth Lung?
Those parameters apply to touch range spells, which a spell ceases to be if it's affected by Reach Spell.
For reference, Aboleth's Lung has the following range and targets:
"Range: touch
Target: living creatures touched"
So, when you us Reach Spell on it, it would become:
"Range: Close (25' + 5'/2 levels)
Target: living creatures touched"
In other words, Reach Spell won't help at all here.
i think he is trying to find out how many targets can he sufficate to death ;)
well idk about the rules but as a rule of thumb i use the 3.5 D&D equivelnt when a normal spell turn into a mass spell. basicly id go with 1 target\level.
then again this specific spell can normaly be used for a LARGE amount of targets aas it has 1 hour\level and no max number of targets as long as you divide the duration among them.
more the that. the 8 willing targets per round are not a real matter here as it doesn't say you have to touch them all at the same turn. if this work like holding the charge for chill touch then when normaly you cast it . you would have to decide how many targets to use it for and each touch removes one.
that said .using it with reac hspell turn it into a close range spell that doesn't hold the charge. so in that case i would have to say from one target up to as many as you can fit in the close range (and that if you devide the time evenly it will still give more then one round per target. you know. squzing fine targets in a 3d world can be even more targets then that).
yes this spell has many intersting uses. think of a hugh wild shaped druid casting it normaly. holding the charge and then wirlwind attack every1 in his reach area.
and then think of casting it as extanded reach with Persistent added. true it increase the level of the spell from druid 2 to druid 6 .but it hits as far as 40ft+5/caster level and every 1 need 2 saves or they start to soficate. mass murderer spell .
and mplindustries im sorry .that doesn't stick. this kind of reading will make almost any touch sepll that target who ever is touched as not avialbe. yet the metamagic feat is very specific. touch range become close range.(you say. oh yes the touch spell is now close range, but you still need to go and touch the targets? i think the feat would have mantioned that in it. it's kinda against everything the feat is for- not needing to be close to the target) and anyway the targets do get touched. the faet says the touch spells turn into range touch spell instead. (and yes he does multipal range touch attack. think scorching ray etc). that might give some targets cover tho.
For reference, Aboleth's Lung has the following range and targets:
"Range: touch
Target: living creatures touched"So, when you us Reach Spell on it, it would become:
"Range: Close (25' + 5'/2 levels)
Target: living creatures touched"In other words, Reach Spell won't help at all here.
All touch spells have target "x touched."
All touch spells have target "x touched."For reference, Aboleth's Lung has the following range and targets:
"Range: touch
Target: living creatures touched"So, when you us Reach Spell on it, it would become:
"Range: Close (25' + 5'/2 levels)
Target: living creatures touched"In other words, Reach Spell won't help at all here.
Then, obviously, Reach Spell does not work well the way it is written. If you allow it to change the targets, too (that's how it should work anyway, it just doesn't), then you hit another problem.
"Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell. If the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, touching 6 creatures is a full-round action."
So, normally, you can touch six willing targets with a single touch spell or make one touch attack with it. With Reach Spell, it is no longer range: touch, so none of that applies. You can't touch multiple people with a range: close spell, and you can't hold the charge of one or anything else like that because those are all functions of the range. Not that it would matter anyway, because there is no provision in the spell for allowing additional touches any way.
So, you can use aboleth's lung at touch range to "help" 6 willing targets, or as a single target Save or Die. You can use it with Reach Spell to "help" one ally, or as a single target Save or Die.
You'd still have to roll to hit each target. Though for the sake of gameplay I'd roll once and apply that to all targets.
I imagine dozens of rays flyng out from you simultaneously. Then the fun begins.
well the range changed from touch to range touch.
the target was creatures touched. i guess it can stay (or more specific creatures ranged touched).since you need to devide the time per target you call the number of targets as yo ucast this. then ehter roll once for each(like scorching ray) or one for all ( maybe like a great beam of power-like a projector). ether way you have to hit and they get a save(or fail wilingly if they actuly want to go underwater).
again mplindustries i don't see how you managed to drop the number of targets to only one. yes most range touch attacks are at one target. i guess since it is a powerful tool and need limiting. but those that allow multipal targets are all done together (scorching ray and that oracle revolution, think lunar or solar. etc)
Makes sense.
Lets not forget this:
Range: Touch: "Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell. If the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, touching 6 creatures is a full-round action."
Now, the target here aren't going to be willing. But now we can establish that the upper limit should be at most 6 creatures, as touching 6 willing creatures is a full round action, touching 6 non-willing creatures is going to take even longer.
Honestly the reach metamagic spell makes proper adjudication difficult for spells that can touch multiple targets.
I think shroudb actually make sense here. Normally if you tried to touch an unwilling target how many could you touch?
Aboleth's Lung doesn't allow you to touch over multiple rounds because:
Touch Spells and Holding the Charge: In most cases, if you don't discharge a touch spell on the round you cast it, you can hold the charge (postpone the discharge of the spell) indefinitely. You can make touch attacks round after round until the spell is discharged. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates.
Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets as part of the spell. You can't hold the charge of such a spell; you must touch all targets of the spell in the same round that you finish casting the spell.
.....so after further consideration I think the answer is likely just 1.
I recommend FAQ.
I had permission to put it into my spellslist, this spell being on the witch's list.
With the spell being "living creatures touched", one could as far as i read, affect unwilling targets.
Me, being a gravewalker who can deliver touch as ranged touch attacks, am happy with this spell.
20ft away from me? I practically stealth kill you in the crowd by sticking a pin in my doll. Good luck not breathing.