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Scarab Sages

How does the Thornkeep item Noqual Ore work with Pshcic spells? Does it affect them like magic? Will it inhibit psychic spells?

Scarab Sages

Psychic spells are still classified as magic, they simply belong to a third school.

Pathfinder is moving in the direction of Rolemaster's spell system, which defined sources of power as divine, arcane and psychic. Different sources of magic were more efficient at various tasks.


i have one issue with undercasting versus overcasting, first they give you the same number of spells known but unlike an overcasting mechanic(or preferably a combination of both where picking any spell in the tree simply grants the rest of the tree going both ways) is that you may have to go backward and redo previous choices made which comes off as convoluted and inelegant. getting the choice of simply picking a "tree" of spells seems clearer.


christos gurd wrote:
i have one issue with undercasting versus overcasting, first they give you the same number of spells known but unlike an overcasting mechanic(or preferably a combination of both where picking any spell in the tree simply grants the rest of the tree going both ways) is that you may have to go backward and redo previous choices made which comes off as convoluted and inelegant. getting the choice of simply picking a "tree" of spells seems clearer.

I think undercasting is probably the safer mechanic. Otherwise, some psychics could end up with like 20 of their highest level spells (if there ends up being enough "overcast" spells) and comparably far fewer low level spells.


I find the inconsistency disturbing.

I would prefer they either drop undercasting or make it a retroactive rule for ALL casters.


darth_borehd wrote:

I find the inconsistency disturbing.

I would prefer they either drop undercasting or make it a retroactive rule for ALL casters.

I am super hesitant to recommend giving it out retroactively because then we would have to think about prepared casters. Or do you mean only giving it out to spontaneous casters?


I mean both.

For example: If a wizard learns Summon Monster V, then he automatically adds Summon Monster I, II, III, and IV to his spellbook if he did not already have them.


Excaliburproxy wrote:
christos gurd wrote:
i have one issue with undercasting versus overcasting, first they give you the same number of spells known but unlike an overcasting mechanic(or preferably a combination of both where picking any spell in the tree simply grants the rest of the tree going both ways) is that you may have to go backward and redo previous choices made which comes off as convoluted and inelegant. getting the choice of simply picking a "tree" of spells seems clearer.
I think undercasting is probably the safer mechanic. Otherwise, some psychics could end up with like 20 of their highest level spells (if there ends up being enough "overcast" spells) and comparably far fewer low level spells.

meh then limit it to your second highest spells known, it would be less "too little too late" with the advantage of it. Getting ego whip 1 when you pick ego whip 6 isnt exactly a huge boon. better than nothing sure and i will take if they aren't offering anything else, but that doesn't mean it cant be discussef and possibly tweaked.


christos gurd wrote:
Excaliburproxy wrote:
christos gurd wrote:
i have one issue with undercasting versus overcasting, first they give you the same number of spells known but unlike an overcasting mechanic(or preferably a combination of both where picking any spell in the tree simply grants the rest of the tree going both ways) is that you may have to go backward and redo previous choices made which comes off as convoluted and inelegant. getting the choice of simply picking a "tree" of spells seems clearer.
I think undercasting is probably the safer mechanic. Otherwise, some psychics could end up with like 20 of their highest level spells (if there ends up being enough "overcast" spells) and comparably far fewer low level spells.
meh then limit it to your second highest spells known, it would be less "too little too late" with the advantage of it. Getting ego whip 1 when you pick ego whip 6 isnt exactly a huge boon. better than nothing sure and i will take if they aren't offering anything else, but that doesn't mean it cant be discussef and possibly tweaked.

You would still end up with like 20 of your second highest level spells then.

Under-casting creates a relative glut in low level spell options while over-casting does the opposite. However, the opposite is really not what you want. High level spells should be more powerful but have fewer immediate options.

If you don't want to use up your highest spell slot just to get the ability to use the undercast versions of those spells, then you have the option of getting the undercast-able spells in your second highest slot.

Perhaps "over casting" could be a phrenic pool ability for psychics, though? Like: you can pretend you have the higher level version of the spell on your list if you spend the spell level difference in phrenic pool point.

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