Prometheus 2: This Time It Makes Sense


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The first Prometheus is a beautiful looking scifi movie albeit with a
nonsensical plot. The story structure is so bad, I can't even watch
the movie again because it fills me with disgust.

I'm happy Noomi Rapace is in Prometheus 2, and hope Ridley Scott
hired new movie-plot writers for this one. I remember Charlize Theron was in the
first one, but don't remember her character's purpose. (Oh yay, she ran in a
straight line from the rolling space ship instead of cutting right or left to make us
mad at her, and glad she died.)

Hopefully, in P2 they circle back and explain some of the crap of the first one

good luck.

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Prometheus made perfect sense, you just have to pay attention and maybe watch it a few times to get everything out of it.

Here is a great video that explains why the plot wasn't nonsensical and many of the other question you have about Prometheus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q

Sczarni

I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.

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Ulfen Death Squad wrote:
I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.

I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.


yellowdingo wrote:
Ulfen Death Squad wrote:
I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.
I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.

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Nobody knows what that thing is. It is *not* a face-hugger.
I'd call it a tentacled stomach-pumper that eats meat.

And, if the Black Goo is a weapon being developed by the Engineers why
did make her pregnant to begin with?
Why did the Engineer at the beginning of the movie die from it then?

Bottom line, the cinematography was great, and the story line was crap.


Electric Wizard wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Ulfen Death Squad wrote:
I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.
I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.

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Nobody knows what that thing is. It is *not* a face-hugger.
I'd call it a tentacled stomach-pumper that eats meat.

And, if the Black Goo is a weapon being developed by the Engineers why
did make her pregnant to begin with?
Why did the Engineer at the beginning of the movie die from it then?

Bottom line, the cinematography was great, and the story line was crap.

Holloway, Shaws boyfriend, was altered by the goo that david spiked his drink with and it changed his sperm. When they had sex the altered sperm found one of her eggs and created the proto-face hugger.

The engineer drank a whole bunch of the goo and dissolved into DNA to seed the planet he was on. Holloway and Fifield only got a small amount of the goo and only partially dissolved becoming zombified.


Xabulba wrote:
Electric Wizard wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Ulfen Death Squad wrote:
I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.
I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.

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Nobody knows what that thing is. It is *not* a face-hugger.
I'd call it a tentacled stomach-pumper that eats meat.

And, if the Black Goo is a weapon being developed by the Engineers why
did make her pregnant to begin with?
Why did the Engineer at the beginning of the movie die from it then?

Bottom line, the cinematography was great, and the story line was crap.

Holloway, Shaws boyfriend, was altered by the goo that david spiked his drink with and it changed his sperm. When they had sex the altered sperm found one of her eggs and created the proto-face hugger.

The engineer drank a whole bunch of the goo and dissolved into DNA to seed the planet he was on. Holloway and Fifield only got a small amount of the goo and only partially dissolved becoming zombified.

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No. Nothing in the movie supports that -- furthermore, there is no need for "Aliens" at all.

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Electric Wizard wrote:
Xabulba wrote:
Electric Wizard wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Ulfen Death Squad wrote:
I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.
I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.

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Nobody knows what that thing is. It is *not* a face-hugger.
I'd call it a tentacled stomach-pumper that eats meat.

And, if the Black Goo is a weapon being developed by the Engineers why
did make her pregnant to begin with?
Why did the Engineer at the beginning of the movie die from it then?

Bottom line, the cinematography was great, and the story line was crap.

Holloway, Shaws boyfriend, was altered by the goo that david spiked his drink with and it changed his sperm. When they had sex the altered sperm found one of her eggs and created the proto-face hugger.

The engineer drank a whole bunch of the goo and dissolved into DNA to seed the planet he was on. Holloway and Fifield only got a small amount of the goo and only partially dissolved becoming zombified.

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No. Nothing in the movie supports that -- furthermore, there is no need for "Aliens" at all.

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I dont know about the second part with the partial zombification but the first part is heavily implied during the end of the opening credits as the Engineer's body dissolves. The elaborate SF shot shows that the black substance literally BREAKS DOWN HIS DNA HELIX. Then after he falls into to water and the black goo destroys the rest of his body there's a shot of the goo moving around in the water then another close up as the black goo REFORMS A NEW DNA HELIX.

Then there's another close up shot of a single cell organism splitting into a mutli-cell organism right over the movie's title credits.

So yeah I think the idea that the engineer is seeding the planet with life is if not obviously stated is STRONGLY implied...

RIGHT OVER THE OPENING CREDITS OF THE FILM.


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Xabulba wrote:

Prometheus made perfect sense, you just have to pay attention and maybe watch it a few times to get everything out of it.

Here is a great video that explains why the plot wasn't nonsensical and many of the other question you have about Prometheus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q

No.

When I watch a movie, it should make sense. It should do so on the FIRST viewing. It should do so without external aids.

There are exceptions to this:
1) Rashoman - the movie tells multiple versions of the same story. Therefore rewatching is acceptable to help the viewer compare.
2) Sixth Sense - massive twist that alters the viewers perception of every scene.
3) Movies that are deliberately sequels, which is made obvious by the very title of the movie.
4) 2001: A Space Odyssey - deliberately ambiguous, piecing together information contained in the movie helps the viewer form their own opinion.
5) Pulp Fiction - the movie changes the chronological order of events, piecing that together on your own as the viewer alters your perception of events, while retaining the story as told by the writer/directer

Other movies fit one or more of those criteria (Memento, Fight Club, Usual Suspects, Mulholland Drive, Inception, etc). Lots of movies fit number 3. Prometheus fits none of them.

Prometheus requires that I pay attention to who the director is. Then I have to look up online if there are rumors that this MIGHT be related to other movies he's done. If I don't do that, this movie is extremely bland with obvious mcguffins that I don't actually care about.

The effects where good. The "horror" was a bit predictable. The story was very lackluster. It's too reliant on "insider" knowledge.


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Xabulba wrote:

Prometheus made perfect sense, you just have to pay attention and maybe watch it a few times to get everything out of it.

Here is a great video that explains why the plot wasn't nonsensical and many of the other question you have about Prometheus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q

If I have to watch a half-hour video about a movie for the movie to make sense, that movie has failed, in my opinion.


Bill McGrath wrote:
Xabulba wrote:

Prometheus made perfect sense, you just have to pay attention and maybe watch it a few times to get everything out of it.

Here is a great video that explains why the plot wasn't nonsensical and many of the other question you have about Prometheus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q

If I have to watch a half-hour video about a movie for the movie to make sense, that movie has failed, in my opinion.

That video almost exclusively adresses stuff that is pretty readily obvious. And If most of the questions they answered are really what didn't make sense to people about it, then it's not the movie's fault, but the fault of the viewers not paying attention. Like any. At all.

The one big gaping hole in that movie is how it reconciles its "engineers made humans" proposal with evolution. And the answer given in that video was just glazing over it with a missing link fallacy.

That, at least to me, is the one point where the movie fails, but if you disregard science and just propose that the universe in the movie does not have any of the fossil record and evidence for evolution we have in the real world, then it actually makes sense internally.


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Here's a question: if they landed at a Military Base of the Engineer's,
and the Engineers where going to kill Earth (so the Prometheus had to
crash into the space ship to stop it) Why does the Black Goo make "Aliens" ???

Or just, Why does the Black Goo make "Aliens" if the Engineers manufactured
the goo at one of their Military Bases?

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I almost turned this into a post where I list each problem I had with Prometheus and ask if the video addresses that, but I don't want to put that kind of strain on the site's servers!

I'm very dubious that video will redeem the film for me - I had so many problems with it other than the plot being opaque - but I might give it a look.


Bill McGrath wrote:

I almost turned this into a post where I list each problem I had with Prometheus and ask if the video addresses that, but I don't want to put that kind of strain on the site's servers!

I'm very dubious that video will redeem the film for me - I had so many problems with it other than the plot being opaque - but I might give it a look.

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I just watched the video. It doesn't really "answer" any of the tough
questions everyone has, but instead explains away general complaints by
introducing extra material from deleted scenes, and the movie's website.

I think, if it takes all this explanation to smooth over the questions,
then the movie failed.

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I didn't enjoy Prometheus. I didn't have any problem following the main plot, even if I thought most of the characters were morons and it felt contrived in the extreme in places, but I could follow it fairly easily. I just didn't like it.

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Yah, I'm not really sure what didn't make sense? Throughout the Alien movies, it has been implied and then expanded upon that the "aliens" basically mutate based on what life form they develop in, and where designed to be the perfect creature.

It's pretty clear that the Engineers "transenspermiated" other planets, creating life from themselves, and specifically human life.

For some unspecified reason, they decided to destroy them afterwards, and created a bioweapon, (the alien), which would spread, kill, reproduce itself, and then when there was nothing left to kill, basically go dormant.

The planet they go to in the movie was literally a weapons cache that they lost control of, (and is also a set up for the original Alien Movie). The weapons cache was a space ship that should have been sent to earth to release the black goo on earth and kill everything. But it never left, and has been sitting there for thousands of years.

When the team gets to the planet, they reintroduce an atmosphere to an area that had been sealed, which awakens the "face huggers" in their original form.

It's not specifically revealed, but the "zombies" I think are supposed to show a evolution of the Alien, from disease to parasite to the later "queen" reproduction, to the various other incarnations later, with the end result as them having their own sexual reproductive system.

In a lot of ways, Promethues is actually extremely similar to the original Alien movie, almost to the point of being a reimagining.

Personally, I thought it was pretty good. 3/5 Stars, and I've watched it again Not my favorite, but not bad either. I just don't understand where the confusion comes from about it?

The only thing I was confused about was why the Engineers wanted to kill everyone, but that was also purposefully an unanswered question of the movie.


"Devil's Advocate" wrote:
Yah, I'm not really sure what didn't make sense?

Well for one, when the majority of the ground team flee from the caves, why was there only one truck left if the other two guys were still lost somewhere inside the facility?

And why was there a fire axe in the spaceship airlock?


"Devil's Advocate" wrote:
Yah, I'm not really sure what didn't make sense?

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Why did the Engineers make Black Goo that could make "Aliens", and
why did the guy at the beginning of the movie drink it and not make an Alien?

The answer seems to be over and over the Black Goo is magical? (which is a different game system.)

Shadow Lodge

So it's less that the movie didn't make sense and more that you have questions that where not answered. Which is fine. I don't think they where supposed to be answer, as that was more the background to than the point of the movie.

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Bill McGrath wrote:
Well for one, when the majority of the ground team flee from the caves, why was there only one truck left if the other two guys were still lost somewhere inside the facility?

I imagine they where intending to set up a base camp, so the other truck was probably positioned somewhere else. Maybe they didn't bother to look with the silicon storm? I don't know, but what doe that have to do with not understanding what is going on in the movie?

Bill McGrath wrote:
And why was there a fire axe in the spaceship airlock?

It's a military/corporate vehicle. Probably standard operating procedure. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with things in the movie. Probably no more or less than any other movie, but it doesn't really confuse the story.

Why would a state of the art and extremely expensive automated surgical center, owned by a woman, not be calibrated to operate on a woman? Or even have that option?

Why would the beacon she set up at the end need to be translated in the next Alien Movie (it clearly states don't come. There is only death here).

Why did the decapitated Engineer's head not decompose at all, or at the very least, being already infected from the inside, suddenly stop. Not get reactivated with the reintroduction of atmosphere, but only later.

Why did the Engineer's leave a freaking map to find what would have been an abandoned, lifeless planet on earth which should have been utterly devoid of life.

How did the black goo from the drink infect his body so fast that he was able to transfer it through intercourse within minutes of imbibing it. And after that, within hours he has visible symptoms and goes crazy, but she is fine for at least a few days?

Or the fact that she is knocked the F out with sedatives, then runs to the medbot, hits herself with 2 more doses of something, then gets a local anesthetic, but is rational enough to run around with staples, locate the robot and hear Mr. Wealands hole story and argue it, while no one gives a crap that she's still bleeding and covered in crap, (or extremely likely contagious as heck???


DM Beckett wrote:
Bill McGrath wrote:
Well for one, when the majority of the ground team flee from the caves, why was there only one truck left if the other two guys were still lost somewhere inside the facility?
I imagine they where intending to set up a base camp, so the other truck was probably positioned somewhere else. Maybe they didn't bother to look with the silicon storm? I don't know, but what doe that have to do with not understanding what is going on in the movie?

It's nothing to do with understanding the plot, just an example of what I considered poor writing.

DM Beckett wrote:
Bill McGrath wrote:
And why was there a fire axe in the spaceship airlock?

It's a military/corporate vehicle. Probably standard operating procedure. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of issues with things in the movie. Probably no more or less than any other movie, but it doesn't really confuse the story.

Why would a state of the art and extremely expensive automated surgical center, owned by a woman, not be calibrated to operate on a woman? Or even have that option?

Why would the beacon she set up at the end need to be translated in the next Alien Movie (it clearly states don't come. There is only death here).

Why did the decapitated Engineer's head not decompose at all, or at the very least, being already infected from the inside, suddenly stop. Not get reactivated with the reintroduction of atmosphere, but only later.

Why did the Engineer's leave a freaking map to find what would have been an abandoned, lifeless planet on earth which should have been utterly devoid of life.

How did the black goo from the drink infect his body so fast that he was able to transfer it through intercourse within minutes of imbibing it. And after that, within hours he has visible symptoms and goes crazy, but she is fine for at least a few days?

Or the fact that she is knocked the F out with sedatives, then runs to the medbot, hits herself with 2 more doses of something, then gets a local anesthetic, but is rational enough to run around with staples, locate the robot and hear Mr. Wealands hole story and argue it, while no one...

Yeah but a fire axe would be pretty useless on a spaceship surely!

All of those other points and more are problems I agree on.


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I actually liked Prometheus. Not all of it had questions answered, and some of it didn't make much sense (such as why give the guy the drop of black goo in his drink except to be a jerk...there are other ways to do research without being an evil evil guy).

I liked it better then A3 to tell the truth.


"Devil's Advocate" wrote:

It's pretty clear that the Engineers "transenspermiated" other planets, creating life from themselves, and specifically human life.

For some unspecified reason, they decided to destroy them afterwards, and created a bioweapon, (the alien), which would spread, kill, reproduce itself, and then when there was nothing left to kill, basically go dormant.

Not really a Prometheus question, but lore related: Did the Engineers also create the Yautja? If so, why would they create a race capable of defeating their failsafe?


My problem with the movies was some of the actions of some of the characters. I did like it enough to see part 2 though. :)


Electric Wizard wrote:
"Devil's Advocate" wrote:
Yah, I'm not really sure what didn't make sense?

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Why did the Engineers make Black Goo that could make "Aliens", and
why did the guy at the beginning of the movie drink it and not make an Alien?

The answer seems to be over and over the Black Goo is magical? (which is a different game system.)

The black goo is a biological weapon, as has been established in the movie, and weapons being developed in a military facility doesn't sound far fetched to me, it is quite easily capable of killing several individuals with just a few drops and potentially causing much more damage:

One guy ingests it and turns into a rabid monster. Another guy ingests a smaller portion and makes someone pregnant with a face hugger before also turning into a rabid monster, that face hugger than killed an engineer by planting a proto-xenomorph inside it, which would have caused even more damage if by that point in the movie anyone still had been left on the planet.

Why did the guy in the beginning not make a xenomorph? Because he swallowed a whole bunch of the stuff which dissolved him almost instantly, in order to create the proto xenomorph, an infected person had to impregnate someone else.


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The black goo seems to be a pretty lousy bio weapon in my book. It's far too potent to handle safely, seems completely none-selective in its targets, and lingers for centuries.

This means that it renders whatever world you shoot it at lifeless and uninhabitable into the foreseeable future, which is fine if that's what you're trying to do but is in and of itself a dumb strategy when not part of a scorched earth campaign.

Using a weapon like that to force a surrender from an interstellar empire in the same way that WW2 ended is one thing, but you wouldn't break out nuclear weapons to take down some tribesmen who've just learned to make boats. It's overkill, prevents you from profiting from the situation, and is dumb in other ways.

It'd make more sense if they were planning on using earth for test firing before actually using it in a war, just to get the kinks out, but that leads in to point 2: Use robots to handle your bioweapon.

If you have something that you know is so insanely dangerous that you're expecting it to take down an entire planet, and you know that it only works against living things, then send it on an automated ship and use it remotely. If necessary, tail along behind in a separate ship to observe, but do not hang out on the same ship as the bioweapon. Seriously, it cannot end well. If for whatever reason you must be on the same ship as the bioweapon, have an option to jettison the entire section it's in into space for later retrieval. Have a self destruct method on hand that can stop the problem the moment things get out of control. At least show some respect and care when handling your planet-killing weapon!


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If you're ever in the woods and a big ass tree falls on you, run to the side about 10 feet. Don't run down the length of where the tree is falling, because 10 feet is a lot shorter than the height of the tree.

Apparently you should think about this and get your mind prepared before it happens though; from all the movies I've seen apparently too many dumb people want to run the length of the tree/long piece of crashing spaceship.

I watched it twice though. The special effects are better than anything I've ever seen.


Sounds like a perfect bio-weapon, drop it on a planet and everything it comes in contact with either dies immediately or mutates into a bio-weapon that creates even more powerful bio-weapons by impregnating it's opponents. The engineers were also trying to create a perfect being by using the black goo, not only do they wipe out any lifeforms they don't want they create the next step towards their self made Jesus. If the next step doesn't meet their standards re-introduce the black goo and start again.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

If you're ever in the woods and a big ass tree falls on you, run to the side about 10 feet. Don't run down the length of where the tree is falling, because 10 feet is a lot shorter than the height of the tree.

Apparently you should think about this and get your mind prepared before it happens though; from all the movies I've seen apparently too many dumb people want to run the length of the tree/long piece of crashing spaceship.

I watched it twice though. The special effects are better than anything I've ever seen.

Hard to think when you're in a blind panic.


Xabulba wrote:

Sounds like a perfect bio-weapon, drop it on a planet and everything it comes in contact with either dies immediately or mutates into a bio-weapon that creates even more powerful bio-weapons by impregnating it's opponents. The engineers were also trying to create a perfect being by using the black goo, not only do they wipe out any lifeforms they don't want they create the next step towards their self made Jesus. If the next step doesn't meet their standards re-introduce the black goo and start again.

You and I obviously have very different standards of success.


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The first movie made 'sense' - you could easily follow the plot and the events. It was just effing stupid all around, and in that sense of the word, didnt' make sense.


FuelDrop wrote:

The black goo seems to be a pretty lousy bio weapon in my book. It's far too potent to handle safely, seems completely none-selective in its targets, and lingers for centuries.

This means that it renders whatever world you shoot it at lifeless and uninhabitable into the foreseeable future, which is fine if that's what you're trying to do but is in and of itself a dumb strategy when not part of a scorched earth campaign.

Which brings us to the original alien movies. Because the Company wants to have a hold of the xenomorphs. But all they would get, if they wouldn't be thwarted by ripley blowing everything up and shooting their price out of an airlock every time, would be this insanely dangerous weapon that would make anything you level it at completely uninhabitable.

So yes it might be stupid, but its consistently stupid with the franchise.


FuelDrop wrote:


You and I obviously have very different standards of success.

You're thinking the goo was a bio-weapon made for conquest whereas it was made for eliminating and replacing life on a planet. The engineers have no motivation for conquest if they did they could just drop a couple meteors on a planet to wipeout the major life forms and then move in without a struggle.

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GreyWolfLord wrote:

I actually liked Prometheus. Not all of it had questions answered, and some of it didn't make much sense (such as why give the guy the drop of black goo in his drink except to be a jerk...there are other ways to do research without being an evil evil guy).

I liked it better then A3 to tell the truth.

I dont think David had a choice. Droidboy I think had programming/instructions to conduct the experiment on a mating pair of humans.


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Xabulba wrote:
Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:

If you're ever in the woods and a big ass tree falls on you, run to the side about 10 feet. Don't run down the length of where the tree is falling, because 10 feet is a lot shorter than the height of the tree.

Apparently you should think about this and get your mind prepared before it happens though; from all the movies I've seen apparently too many dumb people want to run the length of the tree/long piece of crashing spaceship.

I watched it twice though. The special effects are better than anything I've ever seen.

Hard to think when you're in a blind panic.

Yeah. I guess it is stressful being a screenwriter.


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The movie was full of unanswered questions on purpose. The scientists only acted on what information that as revealed to them, and sometimes came to faulty conclusions.

Because we are exploring the remains of something gone wrong, there isn't a lot of answers. It's possible that the Engineers are like humans in having different factions that go to war, which would explain why one group would want to make us while another would want to wipe us out. That is pure speculation, yet could make a lot of sense if viewed in that angle.

The black goo is a very adaptable item that could seed a planet as you wish, and if applied again could destroy the current inhabitants eventually in order to replace them with a different creation. Biowarfare and bioengineering all in the same vial. With technology like that, warfare would be that insane, and may answer why the Engineer civilization has been isolated survivors, or aged wreckage. They might have went to war and wiped their own civilization out.

Again, speculation on my part.

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Oh please kill Naomi Rapace's character in the first 5 minutes of the movie. Please. Please. Please. Please.


This thread has done it's job wonderfully.

carry on.

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DM Beckett wrote:

1. Why would a state of the art and extremely expensive automated surgical center, owned by a woman, not be calibrated to operate on a woman? Or even have that option?

2. Why would the beacon she set up at the end need to be translated in the next Alien Movie (it clearly states don't come. There is only death here).

3. Why did the decapitated Engineer's head not decompose at all, or at the very least, being already infected from the inside, suddenly stop. Not get reactivated with the reintroduction of atmosphere, but only later.

4. Why did the Engineer's leave a freaking map to find what would have been an abandoned, lifeless planet on earth which should have been utterly devoid of life.

5. How did the black goo from the drink infect his body so fast that he was able to transfer it through intercourse within minutes of imbibing it. And after that, within hours he has visible symptoms and goes crazy, but she is fine for at least a few days?

6. Or the fact that she is knocked the F out with sedatives, then runs to the medbot, hits herself with 2 more doses of something, then gets a local anesthetic, but is rational enough to run around with staples, locate the robot and hear Mr. Wealands hole story and argue it, while no one gives a crap that she's still bleeding and covered in crap, (or extremely likely contagious as heck???

I can actually answer #1. While said state-of-the-art automated medical chamber was owned by a woman, it was programmed exclusively for Peter Weylund. He's an ass, and didn't want anyone using it besides him, so he kept it in Vickers' quarters and had it programmed exclusively for operating on male patients. (Now, why he couldn't program it to operate exclusively on his DNA sequence is beyond me.) The others (especially #6) I have no answers for.

Prometheus has serious problems. It's a lazily written horror story, one in which it requires seemingly intelligent people do stupid things to increase the body count. "Hey! An alien life form! I'm going to go pet it!" "Hey, the atmosphere's back! Well, who wants to wait for a reading to come back to see if it's breathable, I'm taking off my helmet!" There are ways to make a horror movie where the characters make intelligent and rational decisions and still die. It's just harder. This wasn't done here, clearly.

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I think that one of the problems that a lot of people have with Prometheus is their expectations. Despite never being marketed as such, and several people involved with creating the movie saying that it is NOT an Alien movie, lots of viewers seem intent on viewing it as a prequel to Alien.

Now, it is obviously set in the same universe, but the focus of the Prometheus (trilogy? / films) is NOT supposed to be the "Alien" aliens.

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Actually, that's exactly how I remember it being marketed. A direct link to the original Alien movie, but not really focusing on the "aliens" monsters.

But, with that being said, I was deployed at the time, so I didn't watch any previews or anything. From what I do remember, and is pretty true, is that it is very tied to the original Alien movie, but not any of the sequels.

Anyway, I liked it well enough, and would watch a part 2. I don't really care one way or the other about the cast.


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To answer DM Beckett's second question -

DM Beckett wrote:
2. Why would the beacon she set up at the end need to be translated in the next Alien Movie (it clearly states don't come. There is only death here).

The answer is that the signal in the original Alien movie was from LV426, while the world in Prometheus was designated LV223.

This means, same system, different worlds, different wrecked spaceships from the same race. Different beacons.

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KestrelZ wrote:

To answer DM Beckett's second question -

DM Beckett wrote:
2. Why would the beacon she set up at the end need to be translated in the next Alien Movie (it clearly states don't come. There is only death here).

The answer is that the signal in the original Alien movie was from LV426, while the world in Prometheus was designated LV223.

This means, same system, different worlds, different wrecked spaceships from the same race. Different beacons.

Depends what Lv designates. (L)ife(V)iable #[order of discovery (001-999)]

LV426 might therefor be the planet discovered in Prometheus 2 in another system.


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prometheus was a great movie which whizzed over the heads of its detractors like a gilded gull unfortunately. I hope they don't pander to the people who complained for its sequel

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"Devil's Advocate" wrote:
Yah, I'm not really sure what didn't make sense?

this.

Or for the longer, more comprehensive version, this.

Mostly the movie didn't make sense because none of the characters were acting with any of these three qualities:

1) Clear motivation - the schemes of the bad guys were really vague and stupid. Which brings us to

2) Intelligence - removing their helmets because they detected breathable air? getting lost in a cave WHEN YOU ARE CARRYING A FRIGGIN REAL TIME UPDATED ELECTRONIC 3D MAP?!

3) consistency - due to not having well defined characteristics, most of the characters would do utterly unpredictable things that do not mash well with the way they were previously set up

So when almost everything that every character does on screen is an example of bad storytelling, AND the mysteries in the movie has mysteries in it, it kinda seems like the mysteries are stupid and inconsistent as well.


the characters acted like idiots because they were idiots. it was a movie was about a deluded upper class crushed by an indifferent universe. this actually makes it a better movie and reinforces its core themes.


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Big Justin wrote:
prometheus was a great movie which whizzed over the heads of its detractors like a gilded gull unfortunately. I hope they don't pander to the people who complained for its sequel

Yet, nobody even those who support it making sense has been able to make sense of it.

Is it your turn to try?


I've skimmed this thread and people's main beefs seems to be nitpicky and unimportant science stuff or them asking why a dying trillionaire's vanity project only attracted specialists with zero common sense. I can't teach you how to appreciate a movie like a cultured neurotypical unfortunately


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How does Fifield get lost?

He's a geologist. He owns "pups", which he uses to map out the space they're in. These create a 3-D map of the interior, which is transmitted back to the ship.

After the others leave, it is clearly established that they still have contact with the ship. Their position can even be monitored on the ship and they get read outs they can report back to the ship to verify their position.

Why didn't they hear the call to return to the ship? Did they forget that they made a map? Did Fifield forget HE made a map?

Also, WHEN did the engineers seed the Earth? The image of the planet in the navigation on their ship is present day Earth. Due to the position of the continents, it can't be more than 10-20 million years old.

How was their life on Earth before the engineers came to "seed" it? If they only created humanity, than why is our DNA so similar to other forms of life on the planet? How can we share DNA with species that separated from us more than 100 million years ago? Why weren't there animals, insects or fish when the engineer arrived, since he clearly came after life already started (you can see plant life in multiple shots)?

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