Hey all,
I was looking at the Investigator and I love the theme of the class, especially when geared towards PFS. I had an idea and was curious if it would be a decent concept in PFS play, or if I would be wasting precious feats and traits.
The idea, would be a support character utilizing Dazzling Display combined with Bruising Intellect, Inspired Intimidator, and Enlarge Person. Granted, I won't be able to use Enlarge Person often for that extra +4 bonus to Intimidate; however, when using Dazzling Display I would toss on that extra Enlarge Person.
Other talents I'm looking at are; Effortless Aid (3rd level), Inspired Intimidator (5th), and then Inspired Expertise (7th). Early on (until I can finally afford an agile Sword Cane) I would basically be helping around in combat with Aid Another for bonuses to hit. And then when I hit 5th level and can pick up, therefore effectively use Dazzling Display, we'll throw that around now again for some extra debuffs to assist the combat folks.
Does this sound like a decent concept? Or am I going to end up not really assisting as much as I think I might with Dazzling Display? Any suggestions would be much appreciated!
I honestly don't think it's better than a Rogue geared to do the same... The Rogue is as effective, while also benefiting from sneak attack.
That's basically their only remaining niche.
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I honestly don't think it's better than a Rogue geared to do the same... The Rogue is as effective, while also benefiting from sneak attack.
That's basically their only remaining niche.
Slayer has taken anything the Rogue offers mechanically.
I still like investigator more, because studied combat give a bonus to hit, and the option to make a sneak attack like damage spike on demand when needed.
I honestly don't think it's better than a Rogue geared to do the same... The Rogue is as effective, while also benefiting from sneak attack.
That's basically their only remaining niche.
Slayer has taken anything the Rogue offers mechanically.
I still like investigator more, because studied combat give a bonus to hit, and the option to make a sneak attack like damage spike on demand when needed.
Yo, people, not saying the Slayer doesn't do a ton of stuff right nor the Investigator...
I am saying that the Rogue is better than both the Slayer and the Investigator at Dazzling Display spam thanks to its class options.
Well, I'm not interest in just spamming Dazzling Display, but I figure it might be an excellent option to have as an investigator to augment my support idea. I just don't know how effective Dazzling Didplay really is at mid-levels; does it scale well?
Also what options specifically do you refer, Secret Wizard? Investigators get access to a lot of rogue talents as well. I'm curious if investigators would have access to the same options you mentioned?
In that case, I direct you to an Order of the Cockatrice Daring Champion cavalier.
I am saying that the Rogue is better than both the Slayer and the Investigator at Dazzling Display spam thanks to its class options.
Still not better. They just receive +2 to attack.
Well, I'm not interest in just spamming Dazzling Display, but I figure it might be an excellent option to have as an investigator to augment my support idea. I just don't know how effective Dazzling Didplay really is at mid-levels; does it scale well?
Also what options specifically do you refer, Secret Wizard? Investigators get access to a lot of rogue talents as well. I'm curious if investigators would have access to the same options you mentioned?
Rogues get full Sneak Attack progression and, thanks to Shatter Defenses, they can apply it after DD. Then, thanks to Violent Display, they can REFRESH Dazzling Display on every hit.
Any other class that attempts to take this niche needs to either have Sneak Attack (like the Slayer), have Sneak Attack AND Deadly Stroke (like the Snakebite Striker Brawler), or get a massive benefit from Intimidation.
Rogues can also stack Disheartening Display with the Frightening feature of the Thug archetype to handily leave enemies under fear. The additional combat feats Rogue get really help to finish this build quickly.
Honestly, unless you get Deadly Stroke or Sneak Attack to abuse Shatter Defenses, I'd avoid Dazzling Display altogether. I don't think the fear effect is that powerful.
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In that case, I direct you to an Order of the Cockatrice Daring Champion cavalier.
I am saying that the Rogue is better than both the Slayer and the Investigator at Dazzling Display spam thanks to its class options.
Still not better. They just receive +2 to attack.
And the ability to use Dazzling Display as a standard action instead of a full-round action.
Well, I'm not interest in just spamming Dazzling Display, but I figure it might be an excellent option to have as an investigator to augment my support idea. I just don't know how effective Dazzling Didplay really is at mid-levels; does it scale well?
Also what options specifically do you refer, Secret Wizard? Investigators get access to a lot of rogue talents as well. I'm curious if investigators would have access to the same options you mentioned?
Rogues get full Sneak Attack progression and, thanks to Shatter Defenses, they can apply it after DD. Then, thanks to Violent Display, they can REFRESH Dazzling Display on every hit.
Any other class that attempts to take this niche needs to either have Sneak Attack (like the Slayer), have Sneak Attack AND Deadly Stroke (like the Snakebite Striker Brawler), or get a massive benefit from Intimidation.
Rogues can also stack Disheartening Display with the Frightening feature of the Thug archetype to handily leave enemies under fear. The additional combat feats Rogue get really help to finish this build quickly.
Honestly, unless you get Deadly Stroke or Sneak Attack to abuse Shatter Defenses, I'd avoid Dazzling Display altogether. I don't think the fear effect is that powerful.
Since this is for PFS, Violent Display is useless without a skinwalker boon. Deadly Stroke is likewise not really an issue because you only get it at your capstone level for PFS.
So yes, it is better with sneak attack from rogue/slayer/snakebite brawler, but it's still a great debuff to use in a low level game, which is where PFS lives.
Rogues get full Sneak Attack progression and, thanks to Shatter Defenses, they can apply it after DD. Then, thanks to Violent Display, they can REFRESH Dazzling Display on every hit.This is misleading as you have to actually hit before shatter defenses takes effect. So if you have three attacks, and you miss, miss, hit, you get no benefit unless they provoke and attack of opportunity.
That's why you go 2H or 1H instead of TWF when you do this.