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Craft Wondrous Item
Make some candles
Win infinite simulacra wishes
Fun thought: I'm pretty sure Sivana has been waiting on Raz to do something like this, but he has not. She may or may not be amused.
EDIT: also, the Immortality Discovery, but, eh, I kinda thought that went without saying?
Anyway, the secret part of the idea is that, in Golarion, too many wishes start to warp things oddly. Nobody knows that, but it's part of the canon.
Regardless, simulacra to replace every River Kingdom leader is exceedingly doable.
EDIT 2: the above is just off the type of my head. There are other ways, too. Loooooots of other ways.
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Aka, a 19th level pathfinder wizard with at least full WBL, how would you use PF rules to...
(a) Achieve inmortatlity?
(b) Conquer the river kindoms?
(c) Eventualy Conquer Golarion?Disclaimer: This post was made with total Ignorance of relevant information in AP, single adnvetures or PF tales.
I based the latter half of my campaign by answering the question "What would I do if I was Razmir?"
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- Go wreck a dungeon or something else that grants enough CR-appropriate encounters to push me over the line to 20th level. Then take Arcane Discovery. {. . .}
This sounds like the safest way of getting Immortality. On the other hand, far more rewarding, if he can pull it off, is to level up by defeating the PCs. Would be funny to have him crowing in triumph over the captured and depowered PCs (in their optionally oversized bird cages), taking off his mask and revealing his now youthful appearance . . . If you're into Mythic and really nasty, have defeating the PCs also fulfill the last of the conditions he needs for hitting Mythic Rank 3 and gaining Divine Source, or, if he already has that and you want to be even nastier, hitting Mythic Rank 6 and gaining Mythic Presence, or, if he already has that too and you want to be ultimately nasty, hitting Mythic Rank 9 and gaining the Mythic Immortal ability (we know that he can't already have that, or he wouldn't have to worry about this, but anything up to this is (un)fair game).
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Oops, I should have mentioned that before doing this, Razmir needs to read this thread.
Second, you're treating Razmir as if he were some kind of hopped up player character ...Because that is what was asked in the OP?
Razmir is not a PC. He's an NPC, a story element, a narrative character. "What would you do if Razmir was a PC that you played?" is a trivial question. I assume you asked a narrative question, not a mechanical one. The answer to almost any mechanical question is "twink out my PC and kill everything standing between me and my goal."
Killing everything is a terrible solution! though. You start having all sort of issues crop up when you do that...
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Razmir is not a PC. He's an NPC, a story element, a narrative character. "What would you do if Razmir was a PC that you played?" is a trivial question. I assume you asked a narrative question, not a mechanical one. The answer to almost any mechanical question is "twink out my PC and kill everything standing between me and my goal."
Obviously, Razmir (and Geb as noted later) are the rare NPCs that play like PCs, including full twinking(?) out and at least having the option to kill everything standing between them and their goals.
Killing everything is a terrible solution...Geb would disagree. It's worked out quite well for them, on the whole.
No it hasn't. It's why Geb the ghost still exists (much to his own chagrin) and why the country is no longer at war with Nex. Killing everyone sucked for everyone. Also it created the mana-waste, which was lose-lose.
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Razmir is not a PC. He's an NPC, a story element, a narrative character. "What would you do if Razmir was a PC that you played?" is a trivial question. I assume you asked a narrative question, not a mechanical one. The answer to almost any mechanical question is "twink out my PC and kill everything standing between me and my goal."Obviously, Razmir (and Geb as noted later) are the rare NPCs that play like PCs, including full twinking(?) out and at least having the option to kill everything standing between them and their goals.
While Laz's original impassioned statement and Cyrad's are both uncalled for, the fact that Razmir is a 19th level wizard, and is not functionally immortal or in control of all of the River Kingdoms is prof that he's no where near as twinkled out as a PC can get. Either that, or he doesn't really want to conquer the River Kingdoms and is just plying some sort of angle or game.
(My best guess is that he actually blew a lot of his wealth on scrolls of Firestorm or something similar to burn down that one city once and gain a massive circumstance bonus to Intimidate and Bluff, then sunk the rest into his kingdom and lifestyle costs instead of "properly" defraying it by infinite loops of various sorts.)
Or Razmir's GM is considerably less permissive than the GM that's assumed as baseline in most wizard discussions =P
But then how did he raze that one city that one time? :)
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Just noting that I read the title of this thread, and my head immediately began putting it to the tune of "If I Were A Rich Man" from Fiddler on the Roof.
If I were a Razmir... yubba deedle deedle deedle deedle deedle deedle dum..."
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But then how did he raze that one city that one time? :)
As you already mentioned, a lot of scrolls being sunk into a stunt that actually worked.
My comment's more related to the infinite/unrestricted spell access/simulacrums/loops - Razmir's GM might not allow that stuff in the first place =P
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While Laz's original impassioned statement and Cyrad's are both uncalled for, the fact that Razmir is a 19th level wizard, and is not functionally immortal or in control of all of the River Kingdoms is prof that he's no where near as twinkled out as a PC can get. Either that, or he doesn't really want to conquer the River Kingdoms and is just plying some sort of angle or game.(My best guess is that he actually blew a lot of his wealth on scrolls of Firestorm or something similar to burn down that one city once and gain a massive circumstance bonus to Intimidate and Bluff, then sunk the rest into his kingdom and lifestyle costs instead of "properly" defraying it by infinite loops of various sorts.)
In addition, after razing that city, it seems highly likely that he is having to CONTINUOUSLY spend a lot of his wealth on various measures (not necessarily items) to protect himself from those that are trying to do him in, but who aren't cooperative enough to get where he can actually defeat them and level up off them. This is extremely likely to include several deities by only a few steps of indirection (although most of them are probably working at least at cross purposes to each other, or he'd be toast even as an honorary PC -- in the absence of that, they'd rather contain him so that he kicks the bucket before he levels up).
I thought Razmir was a Sorcerer. He's not?
I thought Razmir was a Sorcerer. He's not?
As noted by Alkeran, he's a wizard, even though he seems like a sorcerer! and has a sorcerous archetype after him.
Zhangar: ah, I thought you meant "no crafting" restrictive. I see.
UnArcaneElection: makes sense.
Alleran: Wild magic makes it very hard for a magic-based society like Geb to expand. He's not had problems with murderhobos because he generally keeps to himself, or does the Golarion equivalent of Switzerland hiring the Finns. That said, Arazni seems to almost unconsciously be bucking for a group of PCs to come destabilize the nation, the more power she gains. It just kinda feels like "AP Material" to me.
That said, Arazni seems to almost unconsciously be bucking for a group of PCs to come destabilize the nation, the more power she gains. It just kinda feels like "AP Material" to me.
I get the feeling he's trying to tell somebody something, but I just don't know what.
Heh. I am curious.
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Of course, you know, it could be that Razmir has ALREADY died, and nobody has found out . . . Maybe his mask and quest for immortality is just a cover to keep people from suspecting the truth.
Anyway, the secret part of the idea is that, in Golarion, too many wishes start to warp things oddly. Nobody knows that, but it's part of the canon.
i would like to more about this aspect, would you either care to elaborate or point me in the direction of where i might find it myself :-)>
My gamers asked me to let them run their high levels against Razmir...
I agreed and told them to bring their A+ game.
It was another epic fight with heroes dropping like flies and Razmir's minions doing likewise.
But in the end they won...took his ivory mask as a trophy even.
Resurrected their fallen and relaxed...then the now endless atacks of Razmir fanatics...plus Razmir still seemed to be there, alive and well.
Silly heroes, death is not a career ending event for an archmage...and an ivory mask plus a few spells means you may not have even killed the right one...or could tell the difference.
Perhaps, as UnArcaneElection stated, maybe he died long ago...who did they fight, anyway?
Anyway, the secret part of the idea is that, in Golarion, too many wishes start to warp things oddly. Nobody knows that, but it's part of the canon.i would like to more about this aspect, would you either care to elaborate or point me in the direction of where i might find it myself :-)>
It's discussed in the Legacy of Fire AP. I'm not sure which volume, off the top of my head, has the most details, but it's the one with the article on Wishcraft.
^Wasn't that supposed to be something specific to the main adversary in Legacy of Fire? I got the impression from the blurbs for this (I don't have the actual AP) that this was not necessarily a side-effect of massive wishing from just anyone, but a peculiarity of this boss, who also figured out how to put this specific side effect to use for his own ends.
I use it to keep my players saving and not spamming wishes.
^Wasn't that supposed to be something specific to the main adversary in Legacy of Fire? I got the impression from the blurbs for this (I don't have the actual AP) that this was not necessarily a side-effect of massive wishing from just anyone, but a peculiarity of this boss, who also figured out how to put this specific side effect to use for his own ends.
My impression is that's what happens when you get too much wish in one area. Thematically, I think it's supposed to limit your ability to do things like abuse genie wishes too heavily. Then again, Jalmeray appears to be powered by wishes and is apparently unaffected by the wish hazard, so I'm not sure what to make of it exactly.
NPCs don't gain XP =P
Razmir's at L19 because, for plot reasons, he's plateau'd there and can't advance any further.
Razmir actually making it to 20 probably acquires some major victory or breakthrough on his part, like managing to conquer the rest of the River Kingdoms.
^Or defeating the PCs.