i want to love the brawler...but...


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Crisischild wrote:
I'm also sure "The brawler can use this ability again before the duration expires in order to replace the previous combat feat with another choice." means you can use another charge to replace the feat chosen before the duration us up, not that you can freely switch out the chosen feat for the duration without expending more charges.

I don't think so. The wording is pretty clear, and I don't see why they would have it there if that wasn't the intent (ie, if they thought you would have to use a "charge" every time, then either leave that wording out entirely or say, "each time you grab a feat, you must use another use."

Vis a vis, two paragraphs down specifically calls out that when the Brawler uses multiple feats to pickup a feat chain, they cannot replace one of the "lesser" feats meeting the prereqs without changing the feat that is required by it.

By my reading, all that is required to do this during the duration is to spend a Move action (or immediate or swift action, depending on level).


Yep, I'm with Cthuludrew. Wording in the rest of the paragraph and then the wording in the final part makes it pretty clear to me and my English skills that the intent is for the brawler to be able to take as many feats as they want to spend MF uses on at level 20.

Liberty's Edge

Puna'chong wrote:
Yep, I'm with Cthuludrew. Wording in the rest of the paragraph and then the wording in the final part makes it pretty clear to me and my English skills that the intent is for the brawler to be able to take as many feats as they want to spend MF uses on at level 20.

The wording IS pretty clear. "The brawler can use this ability again before the duration expires". 'Using' the ability expends a charge.


As one swift action the brawler gets as many combat feats as they want to spend MF uses on.

d20pfsrd said... wrote:
At 20th level, a brawler can use this ability to gain the benefit of any number of combat feats as a swift action. Each feat selected counts toward her daily uses of this ability.

Every other part of the ability is explicit in how many combat feats the brawler gets for a specific action type. At 20th if you want 1 feat, you use a swift action and one use to get 1 feat. If you want 10 feats, you use a swift action and ten uses to get 10 feats.

What's the confusion?


I'm with Crisis on this one. It's not completely cut and dry, since it doesn't mention counting towards the daily usage specifically. But if they meant "for one minute you can rotate out feats freely" then there would have been much better ways to word the whole ability.


like i said if cris is right ill just not touch brawler ever, until then ill assume he isnt right and be on my marry way.

Liberty's Edge

Puna'chong wrote:

As one swift action the brawler gets as many combat feats as they want to spend MF uses on.

d20pfsrd said... wrote:
At 20th level, a brawler can use this ability to gain the benefit of any number of combat feats as a swift action. Each feat selected counts toward her daily uses of this ability.

Every other part of the ability is explicit in how many combat feats the brawler gets for a specific action type. At 20th if you want 1 feat, you use a swift action and one use to get 1 feat. If you want 10 feats, you use a swift action and ten uses to get 10 feats.

What's the confusion?

If you were intended to stack as many feats as you had charges for at all levels they would have pointed that out in the first paragraph, not the capstone paragraph.

Myself, I somehow doubt Paizo intended a class to be able to pull out four extra feats at level 1. If they did, fine, my brawler will be stronger. No complaints from me.

Were that the case, the best 'build' would be to take the extra MF uses/day feat in every single feat slot, and that would be a massive oversight on Paizo's part.

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I thought that line meant the Brawler could spend a move/swift/free/immediate action to change his feat from one to another without spending a use, not that he could gain another one while the first was still up.


Oh. Yeah, no. Only at 20th can you have as many as you have charges. At other levels there's a cap. If you use the ability at the cap you just swap around, to the best of my knowledge.


Crisischild wrote:
Puna'chong wrote:

As one swift action the brawler gets as many combat feats as they want to spend MF uses on.

d20pfsrd said... wrote:
At 20th level, a brawler can use this ability to gain the benefit of any number of combat feats as a swift action. Each feat selected counts toward her daily uses of this ability.

Every other part of the ability is explicit in how many combat feats the brawler gets for a specific action type. At 20th if you want 1 feat, you use a swift action and one use to get 1 feat. If you want 10 feats, you use a swift action and ten uses to get 10 feats.

What's the confusion?

If you were intended to stack as many feats as you had charges for at all levels they would have pointed that out in the first paragraph, not the capstone paragraph.

Myself, I somehow doubt Paizo intended a class to be able to pull out four extra feats at level 1. If they did, fine, my brawler will be stronger. No complaints from me.

Were that the case, the best 'build' would be to take the extra MF uses/day feat in every single feat slot, and that would be a massive oversight on Paizo's part.

just to note its not four extra feats at first level. you get one extra feat at first level, 2 at 6, etc.

at a time at least, i suppose you could by the wording maybe add more feats to it next round.


Skimming through this thread w01fe01, it would seem that you might be interested in taking a look though this thread.
It details an unarmed strike build based around unarmed strike using monk and warpriest (tl;dr the build punches everything, hard). It would fit what you're looking for.


i admit warpriest wasnt what i was expecting, ill have to keep an eye on it thanks!

and using moms levels too, i love moms, sweet


Specifically its a moms that flurries! Monk trades it away, Sacred Fist brings it back!


Treefolk wrote:
Specifically its a moms that flurries! Monk trades it away, Sacred Fist brings it back!

wich arguably is what ive wanted for..well...ever.

honestly anything that uses unarmed strike in a optimal way requires moms at least 2 levels.

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