| Perplexed |
Hey guys, so I asked my GM if there was any way to play as an intelligent cat. Like a full cat cat, not just a cat-person. I meant it as an idea for a new character, but he suggested we turn my existing character into a cat. I said sure, and left the details up to him. Big mistake. Instead of just turning me into a cat, he instead gave me the body of an already existing cat. And, of course, this cat's female.
I usually play as male characters, and I know it really shouldn't matter that much, but it still kinda bugs me. Half the other players are insisting I use the she/her pronouns now :P
So, my question is, does anybody know of a way to change my character's gender without leaving the cat body?
(Also, as a side note, I'd also like to change my fur color, if anybody can help me with that also.)
| lemeres |
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My first reaction, if I was in character, would be to be amazed by the whole 'cat' thing rather than the female thing.
I mean, how often would they even take notice of the gender? It is not quite as obvious as gender in humanoids. The only real time it would come up would be when other cats try to get frisky (and my knowledge of cat biology tells me that would be a terrible idea to go along with)
| Zhayne |
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- Girdle of Opposite Gender -
Is the name of the item. Sinde it's a cursed item, there is no real pricetag to it..so somehow you'd have to find it ingame.
I don't think those exist officially anymore.
This really strikes me as 'GM should have said no instead of yes-then-jerking-with-you'.
Bigdaddyjug
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Valiant wrote:- Girdle of Opposite Gender -
Is the name of the item. Sinde it's a cursed item, there is no real pricetag to it..so somehow you'd have to find it ingame.
I don't think those exist officially anymore.
This really strikes me as 'GM should have said no instead of yes-then-jerking-with-you'.
They do. We found one in a PFS scenario the other day.
| DrDew |
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IMO the best to go about this from the beginning would have been to create a cat that was the product of the Awaken druid spell. Then you'd have an intelligent cat that you could add class levels to.
As far as fixing it now; if it bothers you do what the others here have suggested and see if the DM will allow you to get a girdle of opposite gender and a hat of disguise.
Suthainn
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If your characters mind is male, play as male, use male pronouns, if other characters (who somehow checked the cats sex?!) get annoyed you're not using female pronouns call them sexist mongrels and stalk away, tail in the air ;)
Otherwise, perhaps check out the Paizo blog on Shardra the iconic Shaman, the comments thread for her has an alchemical item you may be interested in from the writer.
| Perplexed |
Of course I'm psyched to be a cat, this is really just a minor thing. I'd just prefer my character to be male is all. The girdle of opposite gender might work, and my GM said he might allow me to make one with the craft wondrous items feat, but how would a cat wear a girdle? Also, the Prestidigitation spell's effects only last an hour. Thanks for all the help though. I didn't even know a girdle like that existed lol.
| Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
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It... it's a cat. Like, how will the sex ever matter?
Given that a female felis domesticus, also known as the common house-cat goes into heat everytime she experiences estrus, I'd say it's pretty damn important what sex the cat is & it will matter...
I'd also say your GM is jacking with you and you need to get it resolved.
Out of Character.
| Necromancer |
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The girdle's a cursed item and I doubt it will be that easy to find. The Advanced Class Guide has this new item:
AURA moderate transmutation
Upon drinking this elixir, a character changes sex, permanently transforming into a member of a different biological sex. While the user’s physiology changes dramatically and the user’s features adjust slightly to take on the qualities of the new sex, the character is still recognizable as the same person. The character has only minor control over the specific details of this new appearance, and the elixir grants no benefit on Disguise skill checks or similar checks.
This elixir’s magic functions instantaneously and can’t be dispelled, though drinking a second elixir of sex shift reverts the character back to the former sex and appearance. The elixir has no effect on characters who are pregnant or are of races with no sexual differentiation. Characters of races with more than two sexes may decide which sex this elixir transforms them into.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS
COST 1,125 GP
Craft Wondrous Items, polymorph
leave the cursed items in cursed section
| lemeres |
DominusMegadeus wrote:It... it's a cat. Like, how will the sex ever matter?Given that a female felis domesticus, also known as the common house-cat goes into heat everytime she experiences estrus, I'd say it's pretty damn important what sex the cat is & it will matter...
I'd also say your GM is jacking with you and you need to get it resolved.
Out of Character.
I would say that this problem never comes up with familiars in normal games...EVER....but at the same time, you are right that he was messing with this player. Why add more fuel for that?
| Errant_Epoch |
I would think baleful polymorph could put you in a permanent cat body of your choosing (gender, breed, coloration, etc.)if you purposely failed the fort save. However you would have to then succeed at the Will save or your intelligence would become that of a house cat and you'd lose half of your abilities and what not. The duration is permanent so as long as you don't get dispelled it should be fine.
You could probably use Magic Jar to achieve this too but then your dormant body would have to be preserved and stored somewhere safe.
| Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:I would say that this problem never comes up with familiars in normal games...EVER....but at the same time, you are right that he was messing with this player. Why add more fuel for that?DominusMegadeus wrote:It... it's a cat. Like, how will the sex ever matter?Given that a female felis domesticus, also known as the common house-cat goes into heat everytime she experiences estrus, I'd say it's pretty damn important what sex the cat is & it will matter...
I'd also say your GM is jacking with you and you need to get it resolved.
Out of Character.
I would say you are correct, with the addendum that if the GM arbitrarily decides to have him be a cat of a different sex, that sets a precedent for pulling other 'tricks' & without more information about the game I tend to prepare for the worst/most wrenching experience possible...
| Perplexed |
lemeres wrote:I would say you are correct, with the addendum that if the GM arbitrarily decides to have him be a cat of a different sex, that sets a precedent for pulling other 'tricks' & without more information about the game I tend to prepare for the worst/most wrenching experience possible...Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:I would say that this problem never comes up with familiars in normal games...EVER....but at the same time, you are right that he was messing with this player. Why add more fuel for that?DominusMegadeus wrote:It... it's a cat. Like, how will the sex ever matter?Given that a female felis domesticus, also known as the common house-cat goes into heat everytime she experiences estrus, I'd say it's pretty damn important what sex the cat is & it will matter...
I'd also say your GM is jacking with you and you need to get it resolved.
Out of Character.
Yeah, this is the first campaign my GM's ever GMed, so he's still getting the hang of things. He declares himself as a chaotic good GM, and he really just wants to tell a good story. I guess he thought the whole sex swap thing would just be funny, idk.
| Perplexed |
Just out of curiosity, why did you want to be a cat in the first place? We're you a bit concerned with little things like not having hands?
Well, he said he'd tweak the rules just a tad and find loopholes to let me function normally. He's letting me take a feat that lets me use spells with somatic and verbal components even without hands, even though I think it's supposed to be a druid-only feat. We have a Dromite in our group, so we just speak telepathically anyway, and if I really need to speak out loud I can just use my Tounges spell. I'm a cleric, so I normally don't use weapons anyway. The only problem is I can't craft right now unless I work with and give step-by-step instructions to another character, but my GM said he has an idea on how to fix that so I can craft on my own again soon.
| Zwordsman |
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this is certainly amusing i guess..
your Luna from Sailor moon! She somehow randomly went off and crafted items as well.. no clue how though..
Do clerics get telekensis eventually? or something like that? Could craft with that.
First time GMing isn't the best time to tryh weird races and changes.. but if everyone wants to roll wih it this is a pretty interesting plot point.. It would be hilarious to act like another player's familiar most of the time.
| JoeJ |
JoeJ wrote:Well, he said he'd tweak the rules just a tad and find loopholes to let me function normally. He's letting me take a feat that lets me use spells with somatic and verbal components even without hands, even though I think it's supposed to be a druid-only feat. We have a Dromite in our group, so we just speak telepathically anyway, and if I really need to speak out loud I can just use my Tounges spell. I'm a cleric, so I normally don't use weapons anyway. The only problem is I can't craft right now unless I work with and give step-by-step instructions to another character, but my GM said he has an idea on how to fix that so I can craft on my own again soon.Just out of curiosity, why did you want to be a cat in the first place? We're you a bit concerned with little things like not having hands?
Okay. I don't see any up side to being a cat myself, but if that's the character you want to roleplay, have fun.
| Wiggz |
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Hey guys, so I asked my GM if there was any way to play as an intelligent cat. Like a full cat cat, not just a cat-person. I meant it as an idea for a new character, but he suggested we turn my existing character into a cat. I said sure, and left the details up to him. Big mistake. Instead of just turning me into a cat, he instead gave me the body of an already existing cat. And, of course, this cat's female.
I usually play as male characters, and I know it really shouldn't matter that much, but it still kinda bugs me. Half the other players are insisting I use the she/her pronouns now :P
So, my question is, does anybody know of a way to change my character's gender without leaving the cat body?
Is this the preview of a new Paizo iconic?
| Bandw2 |
at people who are like "how do they even know?"
only female cats have multiple colorings.
on topic, a simple sort of good way to handle quadrupeds with at least "fingers" or anything that isn't a hoof anyway.
can wield things in one-hand, when doing so you move at half speed(because your hopping along), and to attack with anything in said "hand" is at -2.
| lemeres |
at people who are like "how do they even know?"
only female cats have multiple colorings.
on topic, a simple sort of good way to handle quadrupeds with at least "fingers" or anything that isn't a hoof anyway.
can wield things in one-hand, when doing so you move at half speed(because your hopping along), and to attack with anything in said "hand" is at -2.
....so either they have to make a knowledge (nature) check....or they just look under your tail. Still, it is not something that should come up often (no idea of the personalities of your GM and fellow players)
I mean, the fact that you even have a humanoid mind at all puts you at odds with your body. If they are willing to treat you as such because that is what you were in your original body, then why shouldn't they treat you as a male because that is what you were in your original body?
| Perplexed |
at people who are like "how do they even know?"
only female cats have multiple colorings.
on topic, a simple sort of good way to handle quadrupeds with at least "fingers" or anything that isn't a hoof anyway.
can wield things in one-hand, when doing so you move at half speed(because your hopping along), and to attack with anything in said "hand" is at -2.
Yes this is true and my cat form does have multiple colors. However, they knew I was female mostly because the cat whose body I morphed with was another party member's pet. She's actually a little peeved at the GM for using her cat haha.
| Perplexed |
I recommend you ask to reverted back into your original form, being that I assume none of your magic items can be utilized anymore...
Sounds like being a cat is hard, I wouldn't give this conniving GM the chance to throw the Heat card at me.
Actually, I more morphed into the cat's body, kind of like a druid's wild shape, so all of stuff like my headband of inspired wisdom is still working for me, much like a druid's stuff would if he were to wild shape.
| Owly |
A polymorph spell can arguably be used to turn anyone into a different gender of themselves, since it is polymorph that is used to create the Elixir of Opposite Gender.
A female cat? Why not. Go with it. You yourself are not a female cat, I assume...? You asked for cake, and got a cake with frosting. Think of it as a challenge from the gods. Young king Arthur got turned into a hawk and an ant and a fish, after all.
An argument can be made for casting spells without somatic components because it is said dragons can do so. I would be tempted to lend you Mage Hand and allow you to cast that cantrip to explore and discover what has happened to you and why.
| Perplexed |
A polymorph spell can arguably be used to turn anyone into a different gender of themselves, since it is polymorph that is used to create the Elixir of Opposite Gender.
A female cat? Why not. Go with it. You yourself are not a female cat, I assume...? You asked for cake, and got a cake with frosting. Think of it as a challenge from the gods. Young king Arthur got turned into a hawk and an ant and a fish, after all.
An argument can be made for casting spells without somatic components because it is said dragons can do so. I would be tempted to lend you Mage Hand and allow you to cast that cantrip to explore and discover what has happened to you and why.
Yeah, the Prestidigitation cantrip might work for fur color if I just kept using it over and over again, but I don't think I have that spell.
Lord Foul II
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Though only for improved familiars, such as imps with invisability, usually spells like bestow curse, or in the case of bards with the "obtain familiar" feat to cure at a distance.
And that's not the only things familiars get,
They also get extra natural armor, improved evasion, the alertness feat, spell resistance
My advice, take the "valet" familiar archetype, and it'll speed up the creation of your magic items
Another fun thing you could potentially do is have him/her take improved familiar and transform you into a celestial cat for example
| Azten |
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Though only for improved familiars, such as imps with invisability, usually spells like bestow curse, or in the case of bards with the "obtain familiar" feat to cure at a distance.
And that's not the only things familiars get,
They also get extra natural armor, improved evasion, the alertness feat, spell resistance
My advice, take the "valet" familiar archetype, and it'll speed up the creation of your magic items
Another fun thing you could potentially do is have him/her take improved familiar and transform you into a celestial cat for example
Except he is not a familiar, and can never be one.
| Anguish |
Of course I'm psyched to be a cat, this is really just a minor thing. I'd just prefer my character to be male is all. The girdle of opposite gender might work, and my GM said he might allow me to make one with the craft wondrous items feat, but how would a cat wear a girdle? Also, the Prestidigitation spell's effects only last an hour. Thanks for all the help though. I didn't even know a girdle like that existed lol.
Okay, first and foremost... your character won't be crafting anything. It's a cat... so... no thumbs. Your character also won't be using basically any weapon in the game, almost any magic item in the game (for instance wands, potions, or doors). Your character doesn't have the body parts required for speech. But okay, you're a cat.
That said, the problem you've come here to discuss isn't a mechanical one. It's an out-of-character at-the-table one. The answer - the only answer - is for you to tell your DM "the arbitrary change to my character's sex bothers me. Please undo that." The DM either understands and accepts that there are boundaries you're not comfortable crossing, or doesn't.
Lord Foul II
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Perplexed wrote:Of course I'm psyched to be a cat, this is really just a minor thing. I'd just prefer my character to be male is all. The girdle of opposite gender might work, and my GM said he might allow me to make one with the craft wondrous items feat, but how would a cat wear a girdle? Also, the Prestidigitation spell's effects only last an hour. Thanks for all the help though. I didn't even know a girdle like that existed lol.Okay, first and foremost... your character won't be crafting anything. It's a cat... so... no thumbs. Your character also won't be using basically any weapon in the game, almost any magic item in the game (for instance wands, potions, or doors). Your character doesn't have the body parts required for speech. But okay, you're a cat.
given there's a familiar archetype designed to let them help craft I'd disagree
@Azten: how so?| Godwyn |
So, wanted to be a cat, and there was already a cat in the party, albeit owned by someone else. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to give you what you wanted with minimal changes to the established campaign, and mess with several players at the same time. I would have had a hard time not doing the same thing as the DM.
As they say, be careful what you wish for.
| Bandw2 |
Perplexed wrote:Of course I'm psyched to be a cat, this is really just a minor thing. I'd just prefer my character to be male is all. The girdle of opposite gender might work, and my GM said he might allow me to make one with the craft wondrous items feat, but how would a cat wear a girdle? Also, the Prestidigitation spell's effects only last an hour. Thanks for all the help though. I didn't even know a girdle like that existed lol.Okay, first and foremost... your character won't be crafting anything. It's a cat... so... no thumbs. Your character also won't be using basically any weapon in the game, almost any magic item in the game (for instance wands, potions, or doors). Your character doesn't have the body parts required for speech. But okay, you're a cat.
That said, the problem you've come here to discuss isn't a mechanical one. It's an out-of-character at-the-table one. The answer - the only answer - is for you to tell your DM "the arbitrary change to my character's sex bothers me. Please undo that." The DM either understands and accepts that there are boundaries you're not comfortable crossing, or doesn't.
I think a sufficiently intelligent creature will find ways to use it's paws effectively.
| Umbral Reaver |
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Beware of psionic cats. They don't need components!
Now I'm imagining a feline soulbolt, shooting beams out of its eyes.