Simply put, does a wand of spiritual weapon manifest the favored weapon of the creator's faith or the user's?
I'd go with the former as well. Makes more sense to me, plus generally avoids seebs' issue.
I was very concerned when my cleric found a wand of spiritual weapon, because if it had been a weapon of Rovagug or Lamashtu, she would have burned it.
But my DM said, "It's the same as your deity"
I know it's the DM's call, but I consider it was a lost opportunity.
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
Rules wise I would say the creator if the wand but I think its better abd easier to go by whoever is using the wand.
I would also say you use the creator's Wis bonus and BAB as well. Which, since in those cases you use the minimum possible, means you'll be using 11 Wis and BAB of 0 as they are the minimum you could have and be able to cast spiritual weapon.
Isn't Spiritual Weapon a 2nd level spell? Wouldn't that mean Wis 12, and BAB +2 at minimum effect? (assuming 3rd level cleric)
Very Respectfully,
--Bacon
There is decidedly an issue with either making the scrolls too weak (Wis 12, BAB +2) or too bland and a bit strong (users' Wis and BAB could be pretty high, user's deity).
Rulewise, I believe it's the latter, or you run into a number of odd situations, such as a scroll of transformation using the creator's character level for BAB. If that's a rule, you'll probably see a ton of UMD builds in PFS buying them early :)
Personally, I like to use Creator's Deity's weapon, but wand-wielder's BAB & Wisdom - maximum flavor, maximum utility.
The only problem with this view is that you use "minimum required to cast" casting stat to determine the DC of spells cast from wands. Why would you use creator's stats for 1 limiting factor, but user's stats for another limiting factor?
That's a good question, although as I was reading I thought you were going to ask "Why use the minimum required to cast for the spell's effect when it only says to use it for the DC?" Quite simply, there's no actual rules to use here.
Why would I use the user's statistics? Because the spell is under their direction, controlled and used by them. It's not fire and forget like a fireball. That implies that their force of will and combat skill affect the use of it. The fact that it uses BAB at all, instead of simply caster level, does the same.
It's not decisive, but it leads us to a reasonable conclusion. And without having to invent extra rules (such as what BAB to use for a scroll's creator).
It's not decisive, but it leads us to a reasonable conclusion. And without having to invent extra rules (such as what BAB to use for a scroll's creator).
You keep saying 'scroll' when the OP is about 'wand'. This is relevant since scrolls have different rules.
DM's call. I would probably have the weapon resemble the user's faith, but have stats determined by the creator (at minimum BAB/caster level for when the spell could be cast, etc).
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I could see it go either way, but must point out:
What happens if it's used by someone who doesn't venerate a deity?
A cleric without a deity gets a weapon based on his alignment. A neutral cleric without a deity can create a spiritual weapon of any alignment, provided he is acting at least generally in accord with that alignment at the time.