Anything not specifically mentioned is up to the GM, so there is no rule for it. I would allow it.
if the body has already become a skeleton (as opposed to merely a corpse) raise dead would not help. As you'd just condemn him to die instantly for lacking things like a heart. merely a missing hand would not be as deadly however;
The spell regenerate could reform missing bits. this however is the equivalent of a level 7 divine spell.
so the rule of 'Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects' would not work, as that is a difference of 2 spell levels and therefor not 'in line' with that kind of power.
If the only problem is that it's a skeleton, then the 1st level spell Restore Corpse covers you.
the flesh of a corpse restored with Restore Corpse is still rotted. and if you used raise dead on that corpse, it would still die shortly after raising it, since raise dead does not fix that kind of decay. You'd have to cast restoration or something similar (probably the greater version) to make sure he doesn't die immediately after
Well yes, you'd need the usual follow-up treatments for these things. I don't think the OP was talking about just the flesh though: 'missing portions of a skeleton' sounds like a guy with no pelvis or something, which is going to be trickier...
fair enough. Any combination of spells and treatments could work potentially. However it should not be encouraged to create shortcuts to level 7 spells. If you need them, you could always buy the service.
Isn't the whole point of Restore Corpse to reverse the decay, making the body available for raise dead, animate dead (zombie) and the like?
Isn't the whole point of Restore Corpse to reverse the decay, making the body available for raise dead, animate dead (zombie) and the like?
no the point is to be able to create zombies instead of skeletons. Additional applications tend to cause problems as a result. Intentionally I might add.
Well yes, you'd need the usual follow-up treatments for these things. I don't think the OP was talking about just the flesh though: 'missing portions of a skeleton' sounds like a guy with no pelvis or something, which is going to be trickier...fair enough. Any combination of spells and treatments could work potentially. However it should not be encouraged to create shortcuts to level 7 spells. If you need them, you could always buy the service.
If you use additional resources then it is ok, and raise dead still does not work on death affects.
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If you use additional resources then it is ok, and raise dead still does not work on death affects.
by that logic I would challenge your first post. you said you'd be fine with using 2 limited wishes (3000g) to basically substitute for resurrection (10000g)
Goodnatured ribbing ofcourse, I understand your sentiment, I could just not help myself ;)
You could have them Reincarnated, then look into Polymorph Any Object to change them back to their original species.
Thus the question is; Can limited wish be used to restore a skeleton (should have said corpse) to make the corpse suitable for raise dead?
a nice summation of what has been said so far, however your own input would help even more. I'm still standing by the idea that kind of restoration would require an effect of at least the strength of regenerate, another level 7 spell
Resurrection is a 6th level spell
7 sir
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Well, it'd be up to the GM, of course, but a Limited Wish to restore that missing skull may just do something like give you a vison of where it is (if it's not been destroyed) or something instead, and leave you to do the legwork. I guess it depends on what you think a 6th level Wizard or 5th level non-Wizard spell could pull off, really.
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If it were there and just crushed I would say "yes" as its basically a "fabricate" spell to put it back together. After that, of course it is all the same as stated as far as actually raising them.
If it is totally gone, the problem you have is that you might do a minor or major creation spell to make it, but then those bits can't be used for another spell, so the resurrection would fail.
If it were there and just crushed I would say "yes" as its basically a "fabricate" spell to put it back together. After that, of course it is all the same as stated as far as actually raising them.
If it is totally gone, the problem you have is that you might do a minor or major creation spell to make it, but then those bits can't be used for another spell, so the resurrection would fail.
fabricate can only make something of the same material, it does not recreate the original, also it cannot make creatures, dead or alive.
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fabricate can only make something of the same material, it does not recreate the original, also it cannot make creatures, dead or alive.If it were there and just crushed I would say "yes" as its basically a "fabricate" spell to put it back together. After that, of course it is all the same as stated as far as actually raising them.
If it is totally gone, the problem you have is that you might do a minor or major creation spell to make it, but then those bits can't be used for another spell, so the resurrection would fail.
And I was saying that if all his skeletal fragments were there, you could make him another whole skeleton. As a joke, you might even make him a few inches shorter (or mess it up bad by blowing your roll on crafting it). A body, once dead, is an object, per RAW. Since Fabricate is technically level 1, I'd say you have 4-5 more levels of "freedom" in doing this with Limited Wish. "similar spell effects" = not exactly Fabricate, slightly better for this specific casting...
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For arguments sake lets say the head is gone, like cut off and thrown in a volcano kinda gone.
You would need reincarnate or actual Resurrection then.
Unless theres a spell that specifically restores bodies. By the way folks, regenerate does not function on dead creatures.
And I was saying that if all his skeletal fragments were there, you could make him another whole skeleton. As a joke, you might even make him a few inches shorter (or mess it up bad by blowing your roll on crafting it). A body, once dead, is an object, per RAW. Since Fabricate is technically level 1, I'd say you have 4-5 more levels of "freedom" in doing this with Limited Wish. "similar spell effects" = not exactly Fabricate, slightly better for this specific casting...fabricate can only make something of the same material, it does not recreate the original, also it cannot make creatures, dead or alive.If it were there and just crushed I would say "yes" as its basically a "fabricate" spell to put it back together. After that, of course it is all the same as stated as far as actually raising them.
If it is totally gone, the problem you have is that you might do a minor or major creation spell to make it, but then those bits can't be used for another spell, so the resurrection would fail.
ah right missed that, the whole, corpses are objects thing. to many roleplaying games going on, my bad
Isn't the whole point of Restore Corpse to reverse the decay, making the body available for raise dead, animate dead (zombie) and the like?no the point is to be able to create zombies instead of skeletons. Additional applications tend to cause problems as a result. Intentionally I might add.
Why wouldn't purify food and drink freshen up a rotted corpse? Just because most people aren't cannibals doesn't mean that, say, hill giants never take adept levels.
