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When you take your aoo from greater trip, is your opponent considered prone already?If they weren't, then you could 'trip' them again to provoke a second time from all your allies.. up to your and their combat reflexes applicable DEX scores.
-James
That thought never crossed my mind.
What I was wondering was if you get the prone bonus for your aoo?
Greater trips says....
Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to trip a foe. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Trip. Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity.
It doesnt say that the aoo is caused by your opponent being prone from at trip. It just says on a successfully trip you get an aoo.
Actually, I don't think they count as prone for the provoked AoO from this feat. Standing from prone provokes, and you get the bonus because they are prone when they begin to stand up. Falling prone provokes (because of this feat) but you should not get the bonus when it provokes because they are only beginning to fall and are not yet prone.
Actually, I don't think they count as prone for the provoked AoO from this feat. Standing from prone provokes, and you get the bonus because they are prone when they begin to stand up. Falling prone provokes (because of this feat) but you should not get the bonus when it provokes because they are only beginning to fall and are not yet prone.
I can't let this stand. (:p)
The feat says "Whenever you successfully trip an opponent, that opponent provokes attacks of opportunity." It is not the falling prone that provokes. It is the successful trip. A successful trip, in my mind, can only be seen successful if the target has fallen on the ground. The target is prone when the AoO occurs.
Vicious Stomp, on the other hand, seems to be worded a little differently.
Though I have always considered the intent behind Greater Trip and Vicious Stomp to occur after the target has fallen and so granting an extra +4 to the attack. Why attack *before* the guy has fallen when just *after* is much more beneficial. Even the name "Vicious Stomp" brings to mind a PC stomping on a prone character.
This is why I asked the question, because of the way AoO works.Technically, all Attacks of Opportunity trigger retroactively. So Greater Trip and Vicious Stomp should both occur before the opponent is actually prone.
That said, I've never actually played with anyone who handled them that way.
The one time I ran into this situation with another player at the table, the GM ruled that the AoO for the Greater Trip occurred right as the trip attempt was successful. So, the target was still considered standing for the AoO from that.
However, the AoO from Vicious Stomp is worded differently on the trigger, in that it doesn't trigger until the target is prone, so they get the prone condition against that AoO.
It made sense at the time, and worked out OK.