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I hadn't heard that Harris would be playing the role, although it would be awesome (he once provided the voice). And it's way more than just the two stars who have musical backgrounds. Jesse L. Martin, Jeremy Jordan, Victor Garber, and Carlos Valdes (just to name some of the supporting cast) have all had backgrounds in singing/Broadway/etc.
Though I'm not big on musicals, this looks to be pretty entertaining.
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I hadn't heard that Harris would be playing the role, although it would be awesome (he once provided the voice).
Everything I have seen states that the identity of the actor playing Music Meister hasn't been released yet. Thus, I'd guess that the IMDB entry is either speculative or referring to Harris's previous version of the role.
And it's way more than just the two stars who have musical backgrounds. Jesse L. Martin, Jeremy Jordan, Victor Garber, and Carlos Valdes (just to name some of the supporting cast) have all had backgrounds in singing/Broadway/etc.
Latest news is that all six of those individuals will be singing... along with John Barrowman (Malcolm Merlyn from Arrow) and whoever plays Music Meister.
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I think IMDB's spy network needs fine tuning...
So while I wasn't as impressed by this episode as the mid-season part, I WILL say it had one thing going for it: Kid Flash.
The time line stuff is still pretty meh but at least now seeing Kid Flash in action makes me think we'll see more effort on Barry's part to be smarter.
I hope.
Also GYSPY!
Yeah the Neil Patrick Harris as Music Meister is wrong. I saw the casting on Io9 the other day and it's another Glee alum (Can't recall the name since I never watched that show).
Feral,
I think this is more of a "Time hasn't solidified" versus "This had to happen otherwise Cisco dies and/or Barry loses his powers" type deal.
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No, I'm refering to episode 11 of season two.
The team discovers Turtle's death and Jay suspects Harry. Cisco asks Harry for help in controlling his vibing abilities. The latter determines they are connected to Cisco's fear response and triggers a vibe which alerts the team that Eobard Thawne is back. Harry surmises that this version of Thawne is from a point in the future before he went back in time to kill Nora and was protected from being erased. Cisco has a vibe of the future, and the team learns that Thawne is planning to use tachyons to return to his time. Barry arrives and destroys the machine. After a race around the city, Barry stops Thawne and imprisons him at the particle accelerator. However, his capture causes a rupture in the timeline that threatens to kill Cisco, so Barry sends Thawne back to the future to save his friend. Meanwhile, Patty discovers Barry is the Flash but, when he refuses to acknowledge it, she chooses to leave the city. Iris learns that Francine's death is imminent and reconciles with her. Wally takes her advice to do the same.
Bolded for emphasis.
Cisco vibes the future. They use that knowledge to change the future. It gives Cisco Vibe Cancer so they have to put things back to the way they were supposed to be.
How is this situation different?
Feral,
Because THAWNE wasn't the Thawne that appeared as Harrison Wells. He was the Thawne that was coming to KILL Barry but undershot his time. IE he missed going back to kill Barry.
Stopping Thawne then would have completely altered the timeline which had been set already.
So...anyone else excited by the biggest and best of the headlines they have to deal with.
Gorilla invasion incoming
Grey,
Yeah Gorilla City invasion seems imminent. I just wonder what role Solvator will play in this.
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My one big problem with last night's episode...
Otherwise, it was an entertaining story. I like to see Cisco in the spotlight for something other than the agony over losing his brother or his tech genius.
Julian is a dick, but I still want to see him succeed and be a big part of Team Flash (even though I dislike the Team concept).
Just once, I'd like to see the heroes NOT keep a secret from the one person who absolutely needs to hear it. Why keep Iris' potential future from Joe? It's too damned cliche. They keep the secret, he finds out, he either get's killed or ends up hating them until some feelings-changing epiphany. F!&&ing stupid cliche.
And maybe, just maybe, keeping this secret from Joe is exactly the one thig they need to change in order to make it not happen. Perhaps that's what they're moving towards. Then Joe can die in Iris' place.
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My one big problem with last night's episode...
Spoiler:....I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell Gypsy's reflexes should have been fast enough to turn, grab Barry by the wrists, pull him through that portal and slap those cuffs on him.
Joe raises a good point, her vibration powers MIGHT allow her to see that.
Not that I agree with that, but it's a reasonable assumption.
As for why not tell Joe? Because Joe wouldn't stop until he did something that might actually CAUSE the event. But I could be wrong.
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We've known Barry is far from the 'fastest man alive' for a while but last night's episode establishes Wally as objectively the better speedster, right? I wonder if Barry will fall back to a support role going forward. Maybe this will season will end with Wally losing his powers or otherwise getting nerfed so Barry can remain relevant in season four.
Feral,
Nah. I'm still convinced it's not a matter of being faster than Savitar. If that were the case, Zoom would have been able to beat up the Time Wraiths.
I still think no matter what, Iris West is going to die.
Btw I almost forgot, who enjoyed the fight with Gypsy for the fact they did it ALL in different Earths.
That was neat.
I don't think Iris is going to die but one of the things from the future newscast was:
"Detective West Honored at City Hall"
Pretty sure Papa West is going to bite it instead...
MMC,
Nope. I don't think that will happen.
Well that and maybe Barry wasn't ready to fight a woman that can open portals to other earths.
I still like that aspect a lot.
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Ok... also had one other issue that became painful in Arrow last week. I know I've complained about their little secret prison before... and how there's no toilets or basic human dignity in there...
But really guys???
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I just started watching this on Netflix. Girlfriend and I just found finished season 1 last night. I found a couple of logic flaws.
2. In the season 1 finale, Eddie kills himself to prevent his ansestor from ever being born. So after that happened, why is everyone still where they were before that? Thawne from the future never went back in time to try and kill Barry, so if he never exsisted, none of the whole first season wouldn't happen at all.
Marik,
Easy. He's just starting out. Don't freak him out just yet.
Phantom,
I always assumed that HR was the one taking care of them. I mean he's not doing much else right?
Marik,
Easy. He's just starting out. Don't freak him out just yet.
Phantom,
I always assumed that HR was the one taking care of them. I mean he's not doing much else right?
Fine... that's what I had figured too, outside of the 'can't break the seal or their powers will kill us all' types... but Arrow stated she's been gone THREE DAYS without anyone noticing...
So HR really fell down on the job there.
Which actually tracks pretty well. ;)
Phantom,
Considering his track record, yes. Yes it does.
So imo Savitar gets back because barry is going to get desperate and try to beat him before he can kill iris so hes going to release him thinking he can beat him. Kind of like the old running away form death only to meet him at the scheduled time thing.
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We've known Barry is far from the 'fastest man alive' for a while but last night's episode establishes Wally as objectively the better speedster, right? I wonder if Barry will fall back to a support role going forward. Maybe this will season will end with Wally losing his powers or otherwise getting nerfed so Barry can remain relevant in season four.There was a rumor over the summer that WB was going to order Barry killed and Wally become the title character. For the same reason they killed Amanda Waller, Deadshot, and were going to kill Katana.
Because the same people that oked a TV series knowing there was a movie coming are afraid that Grant Gustin might confuse viewers of Ezra Miller.Which is sad since the two actors would love a Speed Force crossover where they just see each other for an instant in passing.
If that's the route they went, I'd likely stop watching. Grant Gustin as Barry has grown on me. So far DC has been content to allow there TV and film universes to be separate, and it's worked fine. Why mess with it?
And while Wally was my Flash growing up, it was a vastly different Wally. I like the guy they've got playing him, he pulls off the hero thing well (even if he's older than I think Kid Flash should be). I just don't know if I like him in the lead role.
Ah well, roll the dice and see what happens.
A-zombie,
I don't think they will be killing off Barry/Gustin mostly because other than Supergirl, the rest of it is kind of...dark.
Plus the fact I'm still not convinced Kid Flash will be fast enough to stop Savitar. We still don't quite understand how it is he's faster than every other speedster before Thawne and Zoom.
Vid,
I'm more convinced it will be Kid Flash or else maybe Cisco some how. Then again there's no guarantee that Juilan won't revert back to Alchemy some how. It's possible.
as far as flash vrs KF I think maybe KF is catching up quicker (maybe more use of the speed force is making it easier for him to get more of that sweet sweet energy) he might plateau off hit his limit and not get much faster. while barry might keep on and on at his same rate. ether way I am warming up to KF.
Kid Flash as a character and the actor are good. But I still don't see Kid Flash saving Iris.
The theory is solid however KF wasn't around when it happened and there would need to be a reason for that one would think. I personally think they should go for the Trifecta and get the old man in on the action too.
The theory is solid however KF wasn't around when it happened and there would need to be a reason for that one would think. I personally think they should go for the Trifecta and get the old man in on the action too.
The point of having Kid Flash save Iris is that they'd be changing the future Barry saw.
Wally wasn't in Barry's vision of the future, and Iris died. Barry was there, but wasn't fast enough. Obvious solution: have Barry get faster. But Julian's absurdly simplistic graph apparently shows Barry can't get fast enough in the available time, so they need to change something else about that tableau.
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Simplistic or not his graph illustrated the problem. Over the course of three seasons Barry's only gotten 25%-30% faster. Wally has accomplished that in a matter of days/weeks. Assuming he can maintain that kind of growth Wally will be blowing Barry out of the water soon and, in theory, become fast enough to compete with Savitar.
But as others have pointed out, we don't know why he's able to improve his speed that fast. For all we know it might just be that Wally is gradually regaining the speed that he had during flashpoint. As soon as he does his growth spurt might stop, presumably still leaving him slower than Barry (if the scene with the Rival from flashpoint is anything to go by).
I do wonder if there's anything that they might be missing from that scene in the future. Cisco and Barry stopped reading the headlines as soon as Savitar showed himself but there was no indication that they managed to call out all of the headlines. It's also very possible that there's more to that scene, such as what HR was doing on the roof with that rifle if it wasn't to shoot Savitar. Come to think of it, did anyone happen to notice if it was Plunder's rifle he was holding? I've also been wondering if that was really HR or Wells from season 2. So many threads to follow...
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Wally passed Mach 2 this week. I don't recall Barry making that yet.
He mentioned to him that soon he'll be hitting Mach 3. He didn't seem to be blown away by that speed, which leads me to believe Barry is currently faster then Mach 3.
Is it just me, but when KF grabs the papers off the desk, shouldn't there have been a much greater amount of wind in that area then there was? Joe at least should be tipped off by something like that, as he should be used to it.
Cylyria,
Well he was sufficently distracted by Iris.
Also I'm pretty sure Barry has hit Mach 3 a couple of times before.
The point of changing the future is having all the variables. Which we and Team Flash don't. They just THINK they do. I'm willing to admit I don't. But I also don't think there's much of a way to CHANGE the outcome unless we understand how the HELL Savitar got out in the first place.
Feral,
Nah. I'm still convinced it's not a matter of being faster than Savitar. If that were the case, Zoom would have been able to beat up the Time Wraiths.
I still think no matter what, Iris West is going to die.
I imagine the way this is going is going to vaguely mirror the comics and cartoons.
Wally is going to speed up fast enough to save Iris, and maybe actually take down Savitar.
Then he's not going to be able to slow down, and disappear into the Speed Force.
Episode 2 or 3 of next season he'll manage to come back (or they save him) but he's so shaken by the whole experience that there's a mental block or three on his powers, he's afraid to go that fast and lose himself again, and his powers become unreliable probably for the first half of that season, turning on and off at inopportune times.
This will last either forever, or at least until Barry gets as fast as Wally could be.
Maybe they will blow our minds and not save iris... I do not look forward to the mopey season that follows.
Vid,
I'm fully expecting that Iris isn't saved due to the fact Wally just isn't fast enough.
Might lead to another time travel start to a season. I hate time travel only place it seemed to work where I don't mind is Dr. who I think its cause he's the only one that actually seems to know what hes doing when hes alter time.