Large sized bows and trait question


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So first off, I need some clarification. In the rules it says that a bow of any size needs two hands to use. Now, I understand it is probably there to indicate that a small sized bow is still two handed for a medium creature. It seems kind of silly, but does that mean that the effort to use it does not change if its size increases? (Ie A large or even huge bow is still just a two handed weapon for a medium creature.)

Second is about the superior clutch trait. It is a custom trait for a tiefling oni-spawned heritage in the Blood of fiends book. If I do not take that heritage but I am still a tiefling or if I wanted to use the adopted feat, can I select this trait or is it ONLY if I am oni-spawned?

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So first off, I need some clarification. In the rules it says that a bow of any size needs two hands to use. Now, I understand it is probably there to indicate that a small sized bow is still two handed for a medium creature. It seems kind of silly, but does that mean that the effort to use it does not change if its size increases? (Ie A large or even huge bow is still just a two handed weapon for a medium creature.)

If something is already two handed the next size up is "too big" no matter what. If you parse the raw into anything else you've gone cheese shopping.

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Second is about the superior clutch trait. It is a custom trait for a tiefling oni-spawned heritage in the Blood of fiends book. If I do not take that heritage but I am still a tiefling or if I wanted to use the adopted feat, can I select this trait or is it ONLY if I am oni-spawned?

Adopted seems to work either way, and won't mess anything up unless you also want a social trait.

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The ranged weapon is never listed as light, one handed, or two handed, but is it just a rule you can't use ranged weapons of bigger or smaller size no matter what?

Grand Lodge

Yeah, I figured the same thing, but I also find it wierd it isn't actually labeled as two handed. Even crossbows, it just lists how to use it in one or two hands (so does have the 'effort') but does not list the actual handedness.

Is there something that reduces the effort to wield larger weapons?

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Unless there is something that classifies the weapon into a category, or says ranged weapons can't be used unconditionally unless it's of your size, then you're looking at Air Bud.

It's a weird thing to have a medium sized creature shooting with an gargantuan or tiny sized weapon (size penalties to attack rolls). I would leave Buddy out of it with this one.

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Human Fighter wrote:
The ranged weapon is never listed as light, one handed, or two handed, but is it just a rule you can't use ranged weapons of bigger or smaller size no matter what?

You can use smaller with a penalty. You can't use larger at all.

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Could you show the relevant rules? How much smaller too?

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Human Fighter wrote:
The ranged weapon is never listed as light, one handed, or two handed

1) It says a bow needs two hands to use. That qualifies it as a two handed weapon

2) While the rules don't expect you to know the difference between a Lucerne hammer and a Bec de corbin, I think everyone knows how a bow is fired, and its with two hands.

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A longbow is already the height of a Medium creature - think about it, how would you actually hold and fire a 12' long longbow if you were only 6' tall?

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
A longbow is already the height of a Medium creature - think about it, how would you actually hold and fire a 12' long longbow if you were only 6' tall?

Having seen someone shoot a footbow that was almost 10'long, I can think of a way, but it would require someone to be flying....


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Nah, they would just need a stool.

Hey? would the stool give them a height advantage, the +1 to attack roles? (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

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Human Fighter wrote:
Could you show the relevant rules? How much smaller too?

You can look them up yourself. It's from the general rule that if you need two hands to wield a weapon of your size, you can't use the same weapon at any size larger than that.

Again, the burden of proof is on YOU. You have to find an ability that allows you to wield a two handed weapon that's one size larger than you. Amiri who is the iconic who wields a large weapon, is wielding a ONE HANDED large bastard sword with two hands. And she does it at a penalty.

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there is no feat or ability that lets you use a large than your size 2 handed weapon

not even the titan mauler- which is pretty crappy..but hey it is what it is

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You might want to look up the Goblin Gunslinger feat in the Advanced Race Guide...

The fact it applies to all firearms, not just the pistols, adds fuel to this fire!

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The big question is, can my tentative Onispawn Cad buy a Huge rolling pin to use with his Rough and Ready trait?

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EvilMinion wrote:

You might want to look up the Goblin Gunslinger feat in the Advanced Race Guide...

The fact it applies to all firearms, not just the pistols, adds fuel to this fire!

It doesn't add fuel to the fire since you have to have a boon to play a goblin to get a goblin feat.

Instead of getting a larger bow just get a wand of gravity bow and put ranks in UMD and poof damage of a large bow without the hassle of lugging around a large bow.

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If the Larger bow was Darkwood, it wouldn't be as much of a hassle. for an elf to use a gigantic darkwood longbow for 2d6 damage. would it ?

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Human Fighter wrote:
The ranged weapon is never listed as light, one handed, or two handed
BigNorseWolf wrote:

1) It says a bow needs two hands to use. That qualifies it as a two handed weapon

The Pathfinder rules I know and love aren't anywhere so common-meaning consistent, BNW. A ranged weapon is a category; two-handed weapon is a different category. Bows fit in the former. (A dagger is not a "one-handed weapon," despite requiring only one hand. It is a "light weapon," a different category.) (I am sure there are feats or item properties that can be used on two-handed weapons, but which neither of us want to see applied to a bow.)

Having said all that, I agree that a bow intended for a large archer probably requires a draw length beyond the capabilities of a medium character.

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This FAQ is relevent.

FAQ wrote:
Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it.

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GM Lamplighter wrote:
A longbow is already the height of a Medium creature - think about it, how would you actually hold and fire a 12' long longbow if you were only 6' tall?

It was 3.5 but I had a monk wielding a great bow. I procured it as a ghost great bow from a dead relative, and had our wizard create some ghost touch cord and thread. I wrapped the handle with the cord and the notch part of the bowstring with the thread so I could use it. It gave me a 12' bow that ignores walls and obstacles. Use it indoors and on horseback.

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