Is it legal with the demon-blooded variant, or does the small size negate the racial bonus?
Could something similar be done with an Aasimar?
You can't replicate it with the Aasimar, they don't get the option of being small.
The Variant Tiefling isn't even the first small creature to not have a strength penalty (Wayang), but is of course MUCH better due to the lack of a wisdom penalty.
You can't replicate it with the Aasimar, they don't get the option of being small.
I think you have it backwards. It is Blood of Angels and not Blood of Fiends that explicitly mentions planetouched born to Small races -- so a Small Angelkin Aasimar with a strength bonus is perfectly possible.
Ah, I see. I was thinking of the list of alternate traits that you can replace your spell-like ability with; being small for all purposes is on the Tiefling list but not the Aasimar. I guess that would explain why.
The only thing that carries over from the parent race, however, is racial size ...Pardon me for my ignorance, but would their base speed be unchanged? (I.E. gnome aasimar being small but with 30' base speed)
This would be my next question as well. Thanks for the quick answers everyone!
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The ONLY thing that changes is size. NOTHING else changes. no str change. No speed change. Nothing but things directly related to size (+1 to hit and AC, -1 CMB and CMD). speed and size don't automatically alter speed and strength.
Just to be clear as a standard rule there is nonstandard rule. Halflings are quite capable of producing a 6' angelkin child.. stock of the parents only matters when your dm chooses to have it matter. That is why the option for small size exists.. but by and large this stuff was deliberately left in a messy grey area for your gm.
That said ruleswise you take the standard stats and apply the changes for small size.
So a small sized demon spawn fiddling is +2 dex -2 int and has the other small size stuff.
Just to be clear as a standard rule there is nonstandard rule. Halflings are quite capable of producing a 6' angelkin child.. stock of the parents only matters when your dm chooses to have it matter. That is why the option for small size exists.. but by and large this stuff was deliberately left in a messy grey area for your gm.
That said ruleswise you take the standard stats and apply the changes for small size.
So a small sized demon spawn fiddling is +2 dex -2 int and has the other small size stuff.
wouldnt this mean that the actual modifiers a halfling gets is just a cha bonus then? And this would make gnomes even weirder. I see where you're coming from though, reduce person, for example, agrees with you, but the ARG lists no such change.
A demon spawn Halfling would clearly get the normal demon spawn stats. Size does not, in itself, carry a strength penalty.
So it is: +2 Str, +2 Cha, –2 Int
When you look at any small race it always gives the modifiers for small size it gets:
XXXX are Small creatures and thus gain a +1 size bonus to their AC, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, a –1 penalty to their CMB and CMD, and a +4 size bonus on Stealth checks.
This entry does not list a strength penalty, a speed reduction or other things COMMON but not inherent in small creatures.
Just to be clear as a standard rule there is nonstandard rule. Halflings are quite capable of producing a 6' angelkin child.. stock of the parents only matters when your dm chooses to have it matter. That is why the option for small size exists.. but by and large this stuff was deliberately left in a messy grey area for your gm.
That said ruleswise you take the standard stats and apply the changes for small size.
So a small sized demon spawn fiddling is +2 dex -2 int and has the other small size stuff.
wouldnt this mean that the actual modifiers a halfling gets is just a cha bonus then? And this would make gnomes even weirder. I see where you're coming from though, reduce person, for example, agrees with you, but the ARG lists no such change.
I was under the impression that the small size was a replacement power for their SLA. I am pretty sure it is one of the options in both blood of angels and blood of fiends.
This is about the "non-human Aasimar" sidebar.
There it states:
Non-human aasimars have the same statistics as human aasimars with the exception of size. Thus a halfling aasimar is Small but otherwise possesses the same statistics and abilities as a human aasimar—the difference is purely cosmetic.
I was under the impression that the small size was a replacement power for their SLA. I am pretty sure it is one of the options in both blood of angels and blood of fiends.Just to be clear as a standard rule there is nonstandard rule. Halflings are quite capable of producing a 6' angelkin child.. stock of the parents only matters when your dm chooses to have it matter. That is why the option for small size exists.. but by and large this stuff was deliberately left in a messy grey area for your gm.
That said ruleswise you take the standard stats and apply the changes for small size.
So a small sized demon spawn fiddling is +2 dex -2 int and has the other small size stuff.
wouldnt this mean that the actual modifiers a halfling gets is just a cha bonus then? And this would make gnomes even weirder. I see where you're coming from though, reduce person, for example, agrees with you, but the ARG lists no such change.
I don't have the books myself, Im just going by the SRD. they would still have Shatter as an SLA, but the tiefling would be small size.
