Rage powers in APG


Rules Questions


So in the core rules there is a barbarian rage power called animal fury. Can that be used in the same round with cleave? In effect the barbarian would attack with a weapon and if the land the blow, get to strike again with the cleave. Then as a third attack they use animal fury bite attack for another 1d4.

Is it the same for using lesser fiend totem but 1d8 from the APG?


If you want to combine the bite attack with another attack, you must use a full-round action to do so (which can't be combined with cleave). You could use the bite attack as the initial standard attack to cleave, though.

Lesser fiend totem works the same way.


The rage power states that while raging the barbarian grows a pair of horns and gains a gore attack. This attack is a primary attack (unless the barbarian id using weapons in which it becomes a secondary attack) and is made at the barbarians full attack base bonus (-5 if it is a secondary attack).

Does that mean that after an attack with a weapon and a cleave, that the barbarians still gets an additional gore attack the same round?


Snoring Rock wrote:

The rage power states that while raging the barbarian grows a pair of horns and gains a gore attack. This attack is a primary attack (unless the barbarian id using weapons in which it becomes a secondary attack) and is made at the barbarians full attack base bonus (-5 if it is a secondary attack).

Does that mean that after an attack with a weapon and a cleave, that the barbarians still gets an additional gore attack the same round?

No.

Cleave requires a Standard action.

Using multiple attacks, either through iterative BaB or natural weapons, or a combination of the two requires a Full Attack. (Which is a full round action)

The only way to do what you are asking is if you can figure out a way to get both a standard action AND a full round action in the same round. So, pretty much impossible.


Thanks!

Silver Crusade

Remy Balster wrote:

The only way to do what you are asking is if you can figure out a way to get both a standard action AND a full round action in the same round. So, pretty much impossible.

Full attack and standard action during the same round?

Sorted

Just on this note...
A Magus can cast a standard action spell and full attack.
A Wizard's (improved) familiar can use wands for the Wizard which is actions by proxy.
and others...


ErrantPursuit wrote:
Remy Balster wrote:

The only way to do what you are asking is if you can figure out a way to get both a standard action AND a full round action in the same round. So, pretty much impossible.

Full attack and standard action during the same round?

Sorted

Just on this note...
A Magus can cast a standard action spell and full attack.
A Wizard's (improved) familiar can use wands for the Wizard which is actions by proxy.
and others...

A magus can use a full round action to cast a spell and take all his iterative attacks. He cannot take a standard action *and* a full round action, simply the effects of a specific pairing of them.

A wizard's familiar can use wands while the wizard full rounds. A wizard cannot use a wand and a full round action.

You can stretch the action economy, but not *that* much.

Unless you're a 20th level fighter, at which point, eh. I'm not gonna b$~$*, I'm gonna hurl 9th level spells.

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