Cool concept, I like castlevania too. I think some combination or Swashbuckler, Ranger, Monk, Deulist(PrC), Cleric, Inquisitor and Warpriest could do it justice. Getting Whip Mastery by level 3 is a must though, and I think a wisdom build will do better than a charisma build here. Calistria is the deity who has whip as a favored weapon, so deciding whether to go that route with a Cleric or Warpriest or say a half-orc or half-elf Inquisitor build to avoid her as a patron deity.
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Except for the debate over wether or not it bypasses armor/natural armor if you use it like a while. It might have been resolved by now, but I don't know.
Maybe Lore Warden/Spirit Ranger if you want to keep full BAB, qualify for a bunch of feats without the ability scores, and not have any particular patron deity. You could have Weapon Focus(Whip), Weapon Finesse, Whip Mastery and Power Attack by level 3.
I don't really see the problem here. Be a half-orc or a human with a god that has a whip as a favored weapon. Take Weapon Finesse at first level and Whip Mastery at 3rd level. Use a scorpion whip until you have Whip Mastery. Then get an agile whip.
We had a Grippli Warpriest we ran in one of the test campaigns named Whippli. He was pretty brutal once he picked up Whip Mastery and the associated feats.
The end boss of the module got tripped anytime he tried to run away or do anything (Whippli had cast a silence spell on himself and got in close). Was a really effective character.
I don't really see the problem here. Be a half-orc or a human with a god that has a whip as a favored weapon. Take Weapon Finesse at first level and Whip Mastery at 3rd level. Use a scorpion whip until you have Whip Mastery. Then get an agile whip.
Warpriests do not get proficiency with their Deity's weapon.
You have to have Weapon Focus (Whip) to get Whip Mastery. So you need 3 feats beyond the whip proficiency if you want to use Dex not Str, all by level 3 or it is too slow to be effective.
Yes they do - that was changed in errata.
Warpriests do not get proficiency with their Deity's weapon.
I didn't realize they put out errata on the playtest document. Is it in the same document, or a seperate document?
It was in the thread discussing the warpriest during the playtest.
Perhaps a Warpriest with a dip into Fighter or Rogue would capture it. I can't think of a way to have Weapon Focus (Whip) and Weapon Finesse and Whip Mastery at level 3 without getting either Weapon Finesse or Weapon Focus (Whip) as a bonus feat, and the only way I know how to do that is with a bonus combat feat or the combat trick rogue talent.
You have to have Weapon Focus (Whip) to get Whip Mastery. So you need 3 feats beyond the whip proficiency if you want to use Dex not Str, all by level 3 or it is too slow to be effective.
Warpriests get heavy armor. Ignore Dexterity, go for Strength.
The benefit of Warpriest as well is that the whip is no longer dealing a measly 1d3. You can noe potentially hit for upwards of 1d10. So you pretty much have a huge sized greatsword. Things get really funny then.
Additionally, Ferver is REALLY nice since you can now cast buff spells on yourself as a Swift action at teh beginning of combat and still be able to go in a kill the enemy.
Phntm888, thanks for the info. I haven't messed around with the playtest material yet, I was waiting for the final version this summer. Warpriest should work fine then and be the go to class for whips from now on. I'm not sure we needed another holy warrior type, but they do seem to be a much better version of a fighter.
That MAD problem was why I kept suggesting Ranger. Rangers with the two handed weapon style solve this problem for a whip character letting them dump strength to 7 and still pick up Power Attack at 2nd level and Great Cleave at 6th level. It seems really counter intuitive, but you are already trying to use a whip, so nothing about this build is gonna be intuitive because the whip is an odd weapon.
16 Str, 14 Con, 14 Wis feels like the baseline to me.
You could regulate Channel purely to Channel Smite. Blessings are 3 + 1/2 level/day. Fervor triggers Off of Charisma. It all depends on your build. In 20 Point Buy, I wouldn't invest too much.
WAR-Priest
16 Str, 10 Dex, 14 Con, 10 Int, 14 Wis, 10 Cha
More of a focus on raw power, counting on consistency in melee. More of a front liner.
War-PRIEST
14 Str, 10 Dex, 12 Con, 10 Int, 15 Wis, 14 Cha
More of a focus on divine spellcasting supporting melee. Less of a front liner.
Just two options I'd consider.
In some respects, yes. Unfortunately, they don't as of yet count as fighters for the purposes of qualifying for feats. The Blessings need a tune-up as well, as they are mostly lackluster and forgettable.
You also only have a full BAB with Favored weapons, which means you technically qualify for feats with BAB prereqs on a 3/4 BAB scale. Minor annoyances, but they can be a little off-putting. The Warpriest's scaling damage and Fervor really make the class shine.
Not really, healing lets you heal as a swift action like a paladin's lay on hands but only cure spells.
Most good buffs waste a standard but last 1 minute.
War buffs with untyped bonuses for 1 minute as does Destruction as does Air for Archery.
Water adds lesser Frost enhancement, as does Weather, Good lesser Holy, etc
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to be specific
At 1st level, a warpriest receives Weapon
Focus as a bonus feat (choosing any weapon, not just his
deity’s favored weapon). If his deity’s favored weapon is
unarmed strike, he can instead select Improved Unarmed
Strike as a bonus feat.
I was reading what he wrote as basically saying "you get weapon focus in everything you're proficient in"
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to be specificI was reading what he wrote as basically saying "you get weapon focus in everything you're proficient in"At 1st level, a warpriest receives Weapon
Focus as a bonus feat (choosing any weapon, not just his
deity’s favored weapon). If his deity’s favored weapon is
unarmed strike, he can instead select Improved Unarmed
Strike as a bonus feat.
Oh.
Well, that would have been silly.