let the Grimm tales commence!
Ok, if the consensus does not shift by noon, then Dark Fairytales will be the setting!
Pauper Princess, the earlier descriptions of gestalt are correct. Are you interested in any?
MonkeyGod, you may if we can weave in those elements in the beginning of the campaign. The Fey race/class from Rite Pubishing is pretty cool. Also have some Fey race options if the class does not interest you.
What concerns me is the creation time. I use Hero Lab for character creation as I don't have a lot of down time to create characters the old fashioned way on paper. I don't think Hero Lab supports this currently. If I were chosen, I would need a little help in the creation process simply due to the amount of time it would take me. If anyone would be willing to help out, I'm thinking of an Azlanti, Cleric/Barbarian named Shallendor, the Healing Protector.
Pauper Princess, unless it was specifically listed, the campaign setting will not be gestalt. Which one would you be applying for? And this would not be set on Golarion.
4 minutes and some odd seconds before Dark Fairytales becomes the chosen campaign.
DARK FAIRYTALES WINS!
Now, for all who are interested, I am offering two main options for PCs: 1 is that they are all human children (With 1 Fey ally, Mr. Monkey!), they are all humans (Fey ally the sole exception,), or they are all Fey of some sort.
Yes, the young template enforces the physical limitations a child has. Basically, what I'm asking is do players want to play children that are somehow transported to a dark fairy tale world, like the True20 Grimm setting, where they have to use their wits and imagination to survive or does everyone want simply a grittier, more cerebral campaign with a dark fairy tale theme? If the former, I was thinking the PCs would be from the Victorian Era, as that is when these sorts of fairytales became immensely popular worldwide and we wouldn't have to worry about chronal discrepancies like cellphones and such.
I am down for either, though I lean towards the second.
Everyone still there?
RVT, I get the sense we are on the boards more often than most others XD lol.
Of course I am :P, I was at physical therapy earlier, and since I am playing a fae, not sure if the question pertains to me.
I'm getting that sense as well lol!
Monkey man, which do you feel you would like to play in more? I want this decided before I create the recruitment thread, as this is will determine character creation guidelines.
Personally, I like the PCs as children using their imagination, maybe even temporarily transforming into true fae in dire situations.
Of course, I think asking in the recruitment thread for this question isn't a bad idea. That will get a wider range of answers, as I think this thread's overall activity is slowing down.
Very true, Monkey. I was curious though, since it's dark fairytale-ish, would anyone like the campaign to be the Reign of Winter AP, with some inclusions?
I'm interesting in a fey character, but not so much a "true" fey...yet. She/he will be undergoing a metamorphous of sorts from human to Fey.
I like the idea of half/half.
Half and half of...?
Why not be children that slowly turn into fea over the course of the adventure. The touch of the first world slowly infiltrates them bending and twisting them.
If this is the chosen concept, children slowly becoming various Fae based on their decisions in game, I would definitely be ok with doing that, instead of starting out as an actual Fae.
That actually sounds interesting. As they struggle against the Fey, they begin to become as their foes. Everyone else up for this?
bowing out on that idea, don't mind me.
not super big into fey, and i can focus on my submission for the other game better this way anyway.
You will be missed Tenro! T_T
But if he it means he is more likely to get picked for crazy epic godliness, than I'm OK with that.
I'd prefer to play adults because it's what the Pathfinder system is built to support.
When it comes to fairy tales, I'm a traditionalist. I prefer the Fae be strange unknowable beings with their own agendas that the main characters don't understand. I also prefer that not all stories have them (red riding hood, the little mermaid and hansel and grettel are all fairy tales).
Having a fae ally is fine, as is being roped into fae political issues or something, but I'm not actually interested in playing a fae creature myself. I don't feel that the system supports those themes very well mechanically, so they are better left as fluff or house ruled things we don't have working knowledge of.
Hmmm... Doomed Hero makes a good point. I would say that one, or possibly two, Fey allies would be about the limit and PCs should be primarily adults (Maybe a child or so, but they would be limited in classes to those that don't require a great deal of experience or training, such as a rogue or sorceror,). Sound reasonable?
The PCs would all be human?
(Also, I totally said I'd be watching this stuff. I have been doing so this whole time. O^O )
Aldag, there would be one fey for sure (Monkey God) and possibly one more, but I would prefer only one, looking at things logistically.
Oh, that's fine. I was never a fan of fey, anyway. (Well, not the small ones, anyway. Some of them are pretty neat in terms of concept.) So it'd basically be humans getting sucked into a RoW-esque campaign with some adjustments and one-two fey involved with the party?
Yea, Doomed Hero does make a good point, that perhaps mechanically the system does not support the children into Fae storyline...
But since when has that ever stopped you RVT? lol.
Seriously, I think the story of us being children who, over time, become Fae based on our choices and decisions is a really amazing one. Rare is the game that places such emphasis on those kinds of things.
I will let everyone discuss it, as I'm the GM. I just help make the campaign awesome, not decide it! ^_^
Well, I know I've had an itch to play a Tetori for grappling goodness. In terms of whether they're adults or children...*Shrug* Tiger seems to be a well-known name here, so I trust his/her judgement.
Not too well known, though I suppose I am through my mentor. We have similar GM'ing styles and a lot of people applying are in his campaigns.
Well, this is from the perspective of someone who's quite new to the forums. XD
Ah, I understand! ^_^
Awaiting thoughts about the campaign from prospective PCs. If a consensus cannot be reached, I can lay out some more options.
The options if a consensus cannot be reasonably reached: technomagical space or Final Fantasy style campaigns. Or maybe Steampunk.
Well, from the view of someone who's interested, it seems that, in general, doing it as children would make for a more "Oh look, fairies and pixies and- wait this isn't like the stories mommy told me!". Doing it as adults would be more like a "Okay, why are we in a fairytale book." Rather, the first is more of a letdown/this seems twisted take, while the second would start as a more skeptical approach.
Edit: And if we're doing FF-style, I wanna be the PC that suplexes the train. Just sayin'.
Aldrah, channeling some Sabin lol?
If DFT is scrapped and FF is chosen, I just thought of something: I have the Rogue Genius Games 'Mosaic Mage' class! Gonzo moment, ladies and gents! You basically pick a Magic Spectrum, a color that represents types of magic (You can mix and match them for greater versatility, but less power.) and gain a list containing all spells that fit that description, as well as Spectrum Powers, which are similar to Talents, Discoveries, Revelations, ect. The Spectrums are black, blue, red, white, and yellow. They're REALLY cool! I think it would fit great in an FF style campaign! ^_^
As people can tell, leaning a bit towards FF if DFT falls through. What can I say? I'm an old school gamer nerd! GAMERZ 4 THA WIN!!! ^_^
Ah, I also have the Mosaic Mage PDF. Though I have to say, some of the Spectrum powers are quite disappointing in terms of what I expected. Many seem to be very underwhelming, to be perfectly honest.
They're about equal in power to the things you would expect from an Arcane Discovery or a Bloodline Power. It's really cool if you want to break beyond the 'this class gets this, this class gets that' and have a more refined method of spell selection. Plus, the flavor evokes some nostalgia for me! ^_^
And when I was looking through one of my Scarred Lands bestiaries (3?) and I beheld the Tent Bird, I was like CHOCOBO! I mean come on, it's a bloody colored bird that's intelligent, loyal, and used as a fairly common steed. The fact it can fold its wings into a tent to protect from heat, cold, and stuff like sandstorms is pretty awesome, yeah?
Oh yeah, I agree that in terms of flavor, Mosaic Mage is quite nice, and the Tent Bird is awesome. XD
I disagree about the thematic differences between adults and children.
Most of the original stories were actually about adults (or teenagers). They lived in a world where fantastic things were rare, but no one really asked why when strange things happened. They may have had initial moments of shock, but then they accepted what had happened and tried to deal with it as best they could.
Labyrinth is a good example of fairy creatures done right (as is the Storyteller series Jim Henson did later, it's on Netflix, check it out). Faroe Tale by Raymond E Feist does adult fairy tale literature really well. Rumplestiltskin is probably the most iconic fae creature ever (topped maybe by Morgan leFey). My all time favorite fairy tale is the 12 Dancing Princesses. None of those stories are about children. In fact, Red Riding Hood and Hansel and Grettel and Pinoccio are the only ones I can think of that focus on children.
When I think of fairy tales I think of fairly normal human people who get swept up into otherworldly events, sometimes find a special item that gives them an edge, and eventually outsmart their maniacle and strange adversaries.
I'm curious what source material people interested in playing are drawing from. I get the impression there might be a mixing of Fae mythology out of Celtic legend and Fairy Tales from the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Anderson.
I think it's important that we decide which one we're talking about since they are very different.
Wait, wasn't Labyrinth the one about...Oh god, that's the one. :|
I have to apologize, as I don't really get to watch many movies, so I can't draw from many things in that regard.
Also, if I'm thinking of the same Labyrinth you just mentioned, I need brain bleach. The last time I saw that movie was when I was like...6 or 7, and it horrified me.
Red Riding Hood is very graphic in some older versions. Let's just say there is bestiality and axe murder and leave it at that! O_O
When the Pathfinder version of THIS comes out, I want to make a campaign for it or see if someone can run a campaign and I make a PC for it!
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Well, if we are looking to go with children, could use the young characters setup, with additional class choices and balance it with monsters with the young creature template on early encounters, and have us face single stronger enemies at first.
You could also give experience for different strategies of "defeating" the monsters, such as getting around them and escaping from being their dinner or leading them to be eaten by something more dangerous.
HEY! RVT! Quit trying to convince people to not want to play faeries! :P
Once again, Doomed is right. But, I see this as sort of a dark fae Narnia type game, based on the above suggestions.
Where its the heroes(as children) some how get transported to the First World, and interact with fae there, sometimes as allies sometimes as enemies.
These interactions slowly transform the children into fae, as the First World's magicks, plus that of the fae themselves warps and alters the bodies and very souls of the children.