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Chamber is my favorite X-Man
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90s X-Men, all the way. Specifically Blue Team.
This is true for me too, but due to a more round-about sort of thing.
I was originally exposed to X-Men by way of toys... I saw Wolverine, Cyclops, and a couple of others (the 80s versions, complete with Cyclops' doofy-looking full-body suit with white stripes), thought they were awesome, and blew all of my saved up money (it had taken me months!) on the toys (my dad covered one or two that I couldn't afford, I think) that they had in the store at the time (they didn't have the whole line, though, I know that).
I immediately fell in love with the hideously colored guy with claws (soon learning his name was Wolverine) and began to really wonder about these "X-Men" guys, because, you know, entire lines of toys like these don't just spring out of nowhere - there's got to be some sort of cartoon to go with 'em, right?
So, after talking with my parents about it at various points, we learned it was based on comics. But I really didn't have a budget. And so, as toys, they were awesome, but quickly got replaced by my great love of Pirates of Dark Water, Legos, and Batman, uh, I mean Batman, no, dangit, I mean Batman, no, arg, I mean uh, well, no, actually, yeah, I probably mean Batman. Also Super Nintendo and Star Wars. And Tolkien.
And then this happened. More specifically, I got a VHS of several episodes through very contrived means by way of Pizza Hut. No, I've no idea how that happened now, either.
The TV Series was awesome, because I recognized the names and some of the characters, but it pretty thoroughly erased any memory I had of the images of the old team, rewriting most everything to match that show.
It was only thereafter, during the times we were in the 'States, that I began collecting the actual comics. We went back and began collecting (some of) the early 90s X-Men comics as well, reading them (though taking decent care of them) and generally becoming avid fans/collectors. ()
So anyway, after having been thoroughly indoctrinated into the cartoon canon, upon seeing the comic, I immediately resonated with Blue Team - it had most of my favorites and included the fairly awesome "new" Psylocke, though regrettably it lacked Jean or Storm.
Chamber is my favorite X-Man
Shows you how out of it I am. I have no idea who Chamber is.
Chamber was pretty cool, so I can entirely understand your feelings, though he was never my favorite (though the new look is kinda cool, I guess, though I know nothing about it).
That entry is pretty thoroughly split between Blink - both the original one of Phalanx Covenant and the one Age of Apocalypse fame), though I grew frustrated with her characterization in Exiles (and now, from what little I know, her more villainous/murderous side* in prime-canon) -, Nate Grey (up until the "Counter X", stuff, anyway), Cable (well, sometimes), and... uh... Cyclops (look it was before New X-Men, okay?).
I originally loved Wolverine, but... you know... I kind of felt he was over-done and also not very nice, which is kind of his thing, but still didn't sit well long-term.
Jean Gray, Angel (specifically Archangel), Gambit, and Domino have all also been my "favorite" at various points.
* QUASI-EDIT: okay, so, it seems she's been redeemed or something? I dunno man. You kids today and your comics**.
** HAH-HAH! Being "old"*** is awesome! What is wrong with the hippies! YOU ACTUALLY GET TO SAY PHRASES LIKE THAT!
*** Well, early thirties is old... to some people.
Man that's a lot about me.
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oh man I totally forgot about Domino <3
Now SHE was cheesecakey... Stereotypical leifeld babe.
Did Domino ever get a definitive super power, or is it still something, something, vaguely-like-Longshot's-luck-power-but-neither-relevant-nor-reliable.
the latter, I'm afraid.
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Rogue knocked on the door of the X-men, asking to become one of them, her previous main enemies, against the wishes of the only family she ever had, Mystique, because she believed that professor X could help her with her Carol Danvers-shaped problem where Mystique could not.
THAT was the character's triumph. She did get more interesting with her attraction to Magneto and her sometime relationship with Gambit. The issue where she gives a cheek scrape to a scientist to help her become human was lovely. Still, it's the same thing now. Overdeveloped, overused, static. And, you really have to wonder, when seemingly every single villain they meet has some way to nullify mutant powers, how can she still not have a way to turn her powers off when she wants to???
currently...
She has control of her powers. It was retconned that her powers hadn't 'matured' and that's why she couldnt' control them. (I say Retconned, because Claremont made it pretty clear that it was a psychological limitation. Carol Danvers' psyche, for example had no issues.)
Ironically, thanks to PAD, Monet seems to have become popular enough to replace her as the 'flying brick'. I do think Rogue should guest in the Captain Marvel book at some point.
Well, I did give up some time ago. After Joss Whedon or so, I believe.
90's Fox cartoon X-men.
But my favorites?
Colossus, Cable, Morph, and Nightcrawler in no particular order.
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Instantaneously healing damage when that wasn't a component of the character's powers originally? Really?
Yeah, that's a pet peeve of mine as well - there's a difference between a character who is (near) invulnerable, like Superman, Rogue, Hulk, etc. and one who has super-fast healing, like Wolvie or Deadpool.
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A group of male to female transvestites... No wait that's the Ex-Men. Never mind.
Since I've been an X-Fan for so long and there has been so much reshuffling over the years, I tend to think of the X-Men more as individual heroes who work together/ are a family, rather than as a "team".
My favorites are Kitty Pryde, Illyana Rasputin, Rachel Summers on the female side, and on the male side it's Nathan Summers and Erik Lehnsherr.
Since I've been an X-Fan for so long and there has been so much reshuffling over the years, I tend to think of the X-Men more as individual heroes who work together/ are a family, rather than as a "team".
My favorites are Kitty Pryde, Illyana Rasputin, Rachel Summers on the female side, and on the male side it's Nathan Summers and Erik Lehnsherr.
Did they ever bring back Illyana...last I knew she died.
Shes back. Running with Cyclops and his band of merry human hating psychopaths.
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As a kid, I always identified strongly with Cyclops. It makes me sad what they did to him in Avengers vs X-Men and its aftermath.
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I haven't been reading the actual comics. What's up? Did they go all Brotherhood of Evil Mutants now? (And considering Civil War was their nightmare made incarnate, can we blame them?)
It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that they are anti-human it's that they are pro-mutant.
Cyclops has seen that passive integration (hoping that people will like you and accept you out of the goodness of their hearts) just doesn't work and he's right. His group protects his people from those who are going to seek to do them harm. And after the decimation of his people during M day and the situation that came out of Civil War with X-men basically having Sentinel overwatch on them I really dont blame him.
Shes back. Running with Cyclops and his band of merry human hating psychopaths.If you think of them as human hating you haven't been reading the actual comics.
Actually, I have been, and if you dont' see him as hating humans, then you've been missing the subtext that they've been sliding Cyclops for for quite some time.
I haven't been reading the actual comics. What's up? Did they go all Brotherhood of Evil Mutants now? (And considering Civil War was their nightmare made incarnate, can we blame them?)It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that they are anti-human it's that they are pro-mutant.
Cyclops has seen that passive integration (hoping that people will like you and accept you out of the goodness of their hearts) just doesn't work and he's right. His group protects his people from those who are going to seek to do them harm. And after the decimation of his people during M day and the situation that came out of Civil War with X-men basically having Sentinel overwatch on them I really dont blame him.
I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs? The character is being set up for some type of hamartia, and he's going to go from Huey Freeman to Malcolm X to Weather Underground in a hurry. It's important to remember M Day and the Sentinels. It's also important to remember what Slim did when he had the Phoenix Force.
Shes back. Running with Cyclops and his band of merry human hating psychopaths.If you think of them as human hating you haven't been reading the actual comics.
Pretty much, yeah. Actually, there has been absolutely no sign at all that the Uncanny team "hates humans" and I am a bit flabbergasted as to how one would think that.
About the only one who has been backsliding in that direction is Magneto and that has more to do with the fact that they took him off the team and got him his own book. And even there he mostly doesn't give a damn about them instead of actively hating humans, he is mostly focused on bringing down people who actively want to hurt the mutants.
I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs? The character is being set up for some type of hamartia, and he's going to go from Huey Freeman to Malcolm X to Weather Underground in a hurry. It's important to remember M Day and the Sentinels. It's also important to remember what Slim did when he had the Phoenix Force.
You mean "actively trying to make the world a better place for everyone, until the Avengers repeatedly attacked his home to abduct a teenage girl and by those unprovoked attacks slowly eroded his control over the phoenix force"? Because that is what happened.
As a kid, I always identified strongly with Cyclops. It makes me sad what they did to him in Avengers vs X-Men and its aftermath.
Avengers vs. X-men was terrible in pretty much every way, and doubly disappointing after such a strong resurgence for the franchise with Utopia, the fight against the Dark Avengers (don't recall the name of the plot off hand, but it was awesome!), the Second Coming and associated acts plotline.
"You think you can stop me little man?"
"I shall certainly try you blithering skitzoid!"
To answer the OP's question, I'm torn. On the one hand the 90s cartoon X-men was my first major exposure, but I've read a lot of X-men over the years, and the more recent teams have really grown on me.
Cyclops, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Namor, and co.
Overall though, for me, the X-men are bigger than any particular lineup (though I do love Cyclops of the last ten years or so). The X-men for me are a group of outcasts who work together to accomplish things that alone they could never do. They are about teamwork and sacrifice. They are about putting together people of vastly different power and skill and accomplishing incredible things (like beating the Dark Avengers) as a result. Planning, fighting, and clawing against a world out to get them.
I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs? The character is being set up for some type of hamartia, and he's going to go from Huey Freeman to Malcolm X to Weather Underground in a hurry. It's important to remember M Day and the Sentinels. It's also important to remember what Slim did when he had the Phoenix Force.You mean "actively trying to make the world a better place for everyone, until the Avengers repeatedly attacked his home to abduct a teenage girl and by those unprovoked attacks slowly eroded his control over the phoenix force"? Because that is what happened.
I'd be interested in hearing what he has in mind for humans in this better world. Slowly eroding his control over the Phoenix Force? That's a good one, he was never in control of it, I don't think. But that's a debate for another time. Also, as an aside, I really want to see you and Shin on a superhero team and me and those who agree with me on another superhero team and have us go at it in a story arc that makes more sense than Civil War ever did.
Regarding Cyke, as I said before, he's going to slide. He's Huey Freeman right now, with shades of Malcolm X. Soon he'll be full Malcolm X and then he'll be Weather Underground. It's going to happen. Some might say it already did, with the astonishingly well written escapades he had in prison and the outstanding conversation he had with Wolverine at that time. Don't get me wrong- if it was a well written story, I would be ALL OVER the "Cyclops/Scott Summers Was Right!!" Che Guevera-esque t-shirts. Hell man, I'd buy Shin one. But that's not the direction that it seems to be going in.
I'd be interested in hearing what he has in mind for humans in this better world. Slowly eroding his control over the Phoenix Force? That's a good one, he was never in control of it, I don't think. But that's a debate for another time.
The whole "nobody can control the Phoenix Force" plotline was incredibly stupid, since lore already established that Rachel Summers very much could do so (and thus every character conveniently forgot about that) and stories after AvX show that Quentin Quire also can do it.
And if you read AvX, you should know what he had in mind, which was peaceful co-existance and a better world for everybody. And he (and the other four) were putting that into practical effect. It was only after the Avengers decided that he would lose control and then attacked without provocation that things went bad.
Also, as an aside, I really want to see you and Shin on a superhero team and me and those who agree with me on another superhero team and have us go at it in a story arc that makes more sense than Civil War ever did.
Considering how much of a mess Civil War was (just as AvX), that'd be quite easy.
Regarding Cyke, as I said before, he's going to slide. He's Huey Freeman right now, with shades of Malcolm X. Soon he'll be full Malcolm X and then he'll be Weather Underground. It's going to happen. Some might say it already did, with the astonishingly well written escapades he had in prison and the outstanding conversation he had with Wolverine at that time. Don't get me wrong- if it was a well written story, I would be ALL OVER the "Cyclops/Scott Summers Was Right!!" Che Guevera-esque t-shirts. Hell man, I'd buy Shin one. But that's not the direction that it seems to be going in.
I certainly see no sign from the last year of comics that he is sliding anywhere near "Weather Underground" territory. The moves he seems to be making are defensive ones, since someone is building Sentinels to take out mutants. Sure, he is talking about "going to war with SHIELD", but since there seems to be a faction in SHIELD which is building said Sentinels, he has a point. There is no sign at all that he is somehow turning into "old Magneto".
I'd be interested in hearing what he has in mind for humans in this better world. Slowly eroding his control over the Phoenix Force? That's a good one, he was never in control of it, I don't think. But that's a debate for another time.The whole "nobody can control the Phoenix Force" plotline was incredibly stupid, since lore already established that Rachel Summers very much could do so (and thus every character conveniently forgot about that) and stories after AvX show that Quentin Quire also can do it.
And if you read AvX, you should know what he had in mind, which was peaceful co-existance and a better world for everybody. And he (and the other four) were putting that into practical effect. It was only after the Avengers decided that he would lose control and then attacked without provocation that things went bad.
Also, as an aside, I really want to see you and Shin on a superhero team and me and those who agree with me on another superhero team and have us go at it in a story arc that makes more sense than Civil War ever did.Considering how much of a mess Civil War was (just as AvX), that'd be quite easy.
Regarding Cyke, as I said before, he's going to slide. He's Huey Freeman right now, with shades of Malcolm X. Soon he'll be full Malcolm X and then he'll be Weather Underground. It's going to happen. Some might say it already did, with the astonishingly well written escapades he had in prison and the outstanding conversation he had with Wolverine at that time. Don't get me wrong- if it was a well written story, I would be ALL OVER the "Cyclops/Scott Summers Was Right!!" Che Guevera-esque t-shirts. Hell man, I'd buy Shin one. But that's not the direction that it seems to be going in.I certainly see no sign from the last year of comics that he is sliding anywhere near "Weather Underground" territory. The moves he seems to be making are defensive ones, since someone is building Sentinels to...
Good if Meh point with Rachel Summers. She wasn't a very well thought out character, and I never thought she actually wielded the phoenix force itself, but something else. I don't know what it was, but it wasn't the phoenix force...
And UGH...Quentin Quire...Don't get me started.
Finally, as I said, he's going to slide over time. I don't know how long it's going to take, but he is.
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Lore says that she wielded the Phoenix Force, so she did. And I disagree that she is poorly thought out, since she is one of my favorite characters.
And I continue to disagree about his sliding over. In fact, he has been getting better. :p
I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs?I haven't been reading the actual comics. What's up? Did they go all Brotherhood of Evil Mutants now? (And considering Civil War was their nightmare made incarnate, can we blame them?)It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that they are anti-human it's that they are pro-mutant.
Cyclops has seen that passive integration (hoping that people will like you and accept you out of the goodness of their hearts) just doesn't work and he's right. His group protects his people from those who are going to seek to do them harm. And after the decimation of his people during M day and the situation that came out of Civil War with X-men basically having Sentinel overwatch on them I really dont blame him.
If argue that integration hasn't quite worked out in this world either. But I know your disagree with me on that as well.
If argue that integration hasn't quite worked out in this world either. But I know your disagree with me on that as well.I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs?I haven't been reading the actual comics. What's up? Did they go all Brotherhood of Evil Mutants now? (And considering Civil War was their nightmare made incarnate, can we blame them?)It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that they are anti-human it's that they are pro-mutant.
Cyclops has seen that passive integration (hoping that people will like you and accept you out of the goodness of their hearts) just doesn't work and he's right. His group protects his people from those who are going to seek to do them harm. And after the decimation of his people during M day and the situation that came out of Civil War with X-men basically having Sentinel overwatch on them I really dont blame him.
which magneto helmet would you like? Or would you like Cyclops new visor instead (its pretty b$%+&in actually)? Cuz we need to cosplay now.
...I wanna get a Mr Terrific jacket.
If argue that integration hasn't quite worked out in this world either. But I know your disagree with me on that as well.I know we aren't going to agree here, but they've been sliding Cyke more and more towards a "separate but equal" perspective(with perhaps an eye towards that OOOOOOOOOLD X-Men/Star Trek TNG crossover novel where mutants in the future had their own planet). Separate but equal didn't work in this world. Why would it work in theirs?I haven't been reading the actual comics. What's up? Did they go all Brotherhood of Evil Mutants now? (And considering Civil War was their nightmare made incarnate, can we blame them?)It's a little more complicated than that.
It's not that they are anti-human it's that they are pro-mutant.
Cyclops has seen that passive integration (hoping that people will like you and accept you out of the goodness of their hearts) just doesn't work and he's right. His group protects his people from those who are going to seek to do them harm. And after the decimation of his people during M day and the situation that came out of Civil War with X-men basically having Sentinel overwatch on them I really dont blame him.
which magneto helmet would you like? Or would you like Cyclops new visor instead (its pretty b**$!in actually)? Cuz we need to cosplay now.
...I wanna get a Mr Terrific jacket.
Classic Magneto helmet for me thank you. I think I'd look rather snazzy in purple...
Lore says that she wielded the Phoenix Force, so she did. And I disagree that she is poorly thought out, since she is one of my favorite characters.
And I continue to disagree about his sliding over. In fact, he has been getting better. :p
totally didnt mean to insult one of your favorite characters man, deepest apologies there. I just found her a bit...well...oddly planned out with the whole hound thing and such.
We're just going to have to disagree on Cyclops, I guess.
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No problem, compared to forums like CBR this is just us having a fluffy pillow fight. :p
I disagree. She was written by CC for about all of her early existance and he set a consistant tone for her. After he left Excalibur, she wasn't treated any differently than any other character who got new writers.
Rachel was never a particularly easy person to like. She had huge walls up against everyone, so for most things that happened, her reaction was mostly "Whatever." For someone she did care about, though, it became "You bent a hair on her head, now I will destroy you utterly and hunt you to the end of forever to do it!" She was self-righteous and pompous. I REALLY liked the scene where she faced down Selene, her old enemy who killed the guy Rachel went to bed with her first night in this time. Rachel wants to destroy her for this, but can't remember his name when asked. Selene says "His name was Nick Damiano. I honour him, as I honour all my victims."
There was a good reason for all this, though, and you had to grow to like her or you didn't. It also wasn't as if she didn't pay a price for it.
Regarding Magneto... is he back again??? I mean, he got his HEAD CHOPPED OFF. They introduced a villain with powers of reattaching heads, or what?
That wasn't Magneto, but some delusional dude who thought he was him and could shapechange. And good for Marvel for retconning Morrisons asinine story.
Whoa... So, the guy who was going to flip the Earth magnetic field, and tore a massive iron bridge to pieces, wasn't Magneto? And, uh, was recognized as Magneto by Jean Grey, a telepath? The guy who disguised himself as Xorn? Heh. Not much to say.
Whoa... So, the guy who was going to flip the Earth magnetic field, and tore a massive iron bridge to pieces, wasn't Magneto? And, uh, was recognized as Magneto by Jean Grey, a telepath? The guy who disguised himself as Xorn? Heh. Not much to say.
Yep. The retcon wasn't very good, but so wasn't the story by Morrison, either.
Whoa... So, the guy who was going to flip the Earth magnetic field, and tore a massive iron bridge to pieces, wasn't Magneto? And, uh, was recognized as Magneto by Jean Grey, a telepath? The guy who disguised himself as Xorn? Heh. Not much to say.Yep. The retcon wasn't very good, but so wasn't the story by Morrison, either.
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Thing is, didn't it basically happen once before too? I distinctly remember an episode where Magneto kidnapped Xavier (I think), prompting Wolverine, Rusty and someone else to go to Genosha, which ended in Wolvie killing Magneto. This was never mentioned again in the continuity, so what happened? Psycho doppleganger there too?
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Magneto has robot doubles in addition to cloning capabilities. He's also made mutates and strange forms of life that sometime resemble himself.