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Simple question for you Paizoians - when you think of the X-Men, which team is the first that comes to mind (and/or, if you prefer, which team was in the first X-Men comic you read)?
The original X-Men
The All New X-Men circa the 1970/80s (Cylcops, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Wolvie are shoe-ins, but what about Banshee? Kitty Pryde?)
The 90s X-Men (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Rogue, Jubilee, Wolvie and Gambit)
Etc...
For me, although I had encountered the All New X-Men in the Spider-Man cartoon (and I doubt I'm alone in that), the first comics I read were around the time of the mutant massacre. As a result, I tend to think of the X-men in their Outback days (Rogue, Dazzler, Original and Much Better Psylocke, Storm (with newly restored powers!), Wolvie, Colossus, Havok, and Longshot).
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We're all X-Men at heart.
(my mutant power is sadness)
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Beast, Gambit, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Jean Grey, Cyclops. And of course Rogue and Jubilee (who I barely remember). And Kitty. I liked Kitty as a teenager. Three guesses why.
So yeah, 90's X-Men plus some. Haven't really watched/read much X-Men stuff in the meantime, barring the Fox movies.
Most of the 'All-New X-Men' as introduced in Giant-Sized XMen annual #1
Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Storm, Marvel Girl/Phoenix and Cyclops. Years later Kitty Pryde was a welcome addition to the team but we lost Phoenix and Cyclops to get her :(
Going by my (admittedly limited) experience with the X-Men, losing Jean Grey and Douchey McGee doesn't seem that big a loss...
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90s X-Men cause Gambit, nuff said. :)
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Classic (Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Jean) and All-New (Cyclops, Wolverine, Colossus, Banshee, Storm, Nightcrawler), for me. (Not so much Thunderbird, who died too soon to leave a lasting impression on me.)
That said, even Banshee 'feels' less like a classic X-Man to me than later additions like Rogue, Kitty (especially Kitty), Psylocke, Gambit, etc.
Maybe, to pick a smaller team of seven; Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Storm, Kitty, Colossus, Wolverine, Beast.
Others, like Thunderbird, came and went so fast that they don't feel like 'real' X-Men to me, like Dazzler, Longshot, Forge, Havok, Polaris, etc.
It's all obviously subjective, and personal preference plays a lot into it, so I'd totally consider Emma and Jubilee to be X-Men, while disregarding Rachel or Nate or Cable any of the other Summers-spawn-what-came-from-dystopian-futures. (And even then, I didn't mind Bishop, and even have a soft spot for Blink, Nocturne, Dark Beast, Ruby Summers and various other oddballs from other times/dimensions.)
'Classic X-Men' aside, I'm always gonna be a bigger fan of the Lower Decks characters like Unuscione, Frenzy, Cecelia Reyes, Fixx, Hellion, Dust, Elixir, Omerta, Synch, Madrox, etc. over the classics.
Peter David seems to be the only X-writer who uses the sorts of characters I find fascinating.
I'm old.
I think of the original X-men first.
Then I think of the New X-men (Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Storm etc. and company) of which Cyclops and Jean Grey also played a major portion of.
I first tripped over them in the 'Fall of the Mutants' sequence, before the abomination that was the annual crossover event that interrupted story lines for months at a time.
That lead in story to the 'Outback' X-Men left quite an impression, and even though I managed to back fill a collection down into the double digits, the 'All New' team are always the ones I think of when I think of the X-Men.
Reggie.
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I came into the series during the Outback days, with pre-ninja, proper British Psylock. Very first issue I got had her beating down Colossus in a training exercise. I thought she was awesome in that armor.
was never happy with "Now she's a ninja" switch
My X-men is the Claremont/Cockrum/Byrne/Austin team.
Back when they actually had to think and figure out how to fight an enemy as opposed to just steamrolling them.
I'm reading two x-men books now but that's because of Bendis. Before this Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men but before that I kinda stayed away from X-men for the better part of a decade. I was and still am an Avengers fan.
Outback x-men.
I’ve been reading and collecting the X-Men for so long (issue #138 of Uncanny X-Men) that I can’t think of a particular group as “the X-Men”. Instead, I feel a small group of mutants are mainstays of all X-Men teams. The mainstays, in my opinion, include Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Beast, Kitty Pride and Nightcrawler. This group represents the heart and soul that has guided the various X-Teams over the years, and will probably lead them into the future. I’m not trying to take anything away from the other mutant heroes, as they’ve contributed much over the years. But these seven have steered the other mutants with vision, sacrifice, spirit and leadership, for good or ill.
BTW, the current run of Uncanny Avengers is one of the most brilliantly written plots I’ve read.
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I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my fondness for the outback team (or that Original Psylocke > Ninja Psylocke).
I also have the same reaction as Set regarding Banshee. I have the first three black and white volumes of the all new X-men run, and was surprised that Banshee was a part of the team for a good long while given that he is rarely mentioned as a member (he's usually resigned to the same category as Sunfire and Thunderbird, even though he outlasted them by several years and a couple dozen issues). Maybe it's because he was gone by the time Kitty Pryde joined, and her joining that particualr team of X-men was constantly pushed as an entry point to the characters during the early 80s.
I started reading Uncanny X-Men at issue #126, so the group I always think of is Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Wolverine, with Sprite (Kitty Pryde) thrown in for good measure.
Other characters are favorites as well (Psylocke, Rogue, etc.), but that group is always the "original" group for me.
The team that pops into my head first is the 90's team, specifically the team from the 90's cartoon, as I grew up watching it. As far as favorite team, don't think I can really pick one. So many of the characters are interesting in their own way, so I like a rotating roster.
I think part of the issue with Banshee is he's kind of silly, with the whole screaming so loud he can fly thing.I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my fondness for the outback team (or that Original Psylocke > Ninja Psylocke).
I also have the same reaction as Set regarding Banshee. I have the first three black and white volumes of the all new X-men run, and was surprised that Banshee was a part of the team for a good long while given that he is rarely mentioned as a member (he's usually resigned to the same category as Sunfire and Thunderbird, even though he outlasted them by several years and a couple dozen issues). Maybe it's because he was gone by the time Kitty Pryde joined, and her joining that particualr team of X-men was constantly pushed as an entry point to the characters during the early 80s.
that and he was a pretty bad Irish stereotype for a LONG time. At least Thunderbird got killed off.
To be perfectly honest, and swearing in church, the X-men comics suffer from a massive problem. The old roster, i.e. Wolverine, Cyclops, Professor X, Beast, Iceman, Phoenix, Rogue, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Shadowcat are all overdeveloped andoverused, caricatures rather than personalities by this point.
For this reason, I am mostly impressed by the odd outfits that have been the X-men over the years. The importance of the X-men have been the existence of the team, and finding new heroes holding that flag high have been the most impressive periods.
To clarify: Characters that have really improved things: Psylocke before being bimbo-ninjaed, Gambit, Bishop, early Rogue, Maggot, Marrow, Longshot, Jubilee, and the early Shadowcat (who actually saw things from an outsider's perspective). You can probably piece together the teams I am talking about. Oh, and let's not forget Excalibur. =)
kind of enjoying the fun they are having right now with the Original five X-men having been brought forward in time to the present day. It's neat having them get a look at their own futures and going "WTH?"
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Excalibur are my x-men. Kitty and nightcrawler injured comming out of the mutant massacre. X-men vs fantastic four where kitty almost ghostlike is saved by franklin Richards when she decides to off herself rather than let doctor doom pawn the teams. Definatly kitty from when she battles an interdimensional demon alone in the mansion on Christmas, and then the one where she finaly teams with Lockheed the dragon.
Wolverine because he constantly trains these little girls to be ninja. They are the Arya starks of the marvel universe thanks to wolverine.
The X-Men team from when I started reading:
Wolverine
Storm
Nightcrawler
Colossus
Sprite (Kitty Pryde)
This!
I like ninja psylock. It may be the horny teenager in me, but I do. I find the complaints about her overdone.
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I like ninja psylock. It may be the horny teenager in me, but I do. I find the complaints about her overdone.
I love stealing her 'focused totality of my XXX' line for super-characters. (A precognitive with a 'Cassandra coil' psi-whip that overwhelms those struck with a thousand terrible visions of possible fire fates, that she calls 'the focused totality of my precognitive powers?' An electrical character who makes knives of 'solid electricity?' Oh yeah. Ninja-Psylocke shamelessly rocked that horrible dialogue, and I love her for it!)
But I really never thought of her as the same person as the one who came *this close* to a scandalous May/December romance with Doug Ramsey in the Wildways. :)
I think they missed an opportunity with the Kwannon thing to have their cake and eat it, too. A little brain-fixing, and Betsy could have been back in her British body, and we could *still* have had sexy bikini-ninja / ex-Mandarin enforcer Babelocke. Win win!
I like ninja psylock. It may be the horny teenager in me, but I do. I find the complaints about her overdone.I love stealing her 'focused totality of my XXX' line for super-characters. (A precognitive with a 'Cassandra coil' psi-whip that overwhelms those struck with a thousand terrible visions of possible fire fates, that she calls 'the focused totality of my precognitive powers?' An electrical character who makes knives of 'solid electricity?' Oh yeah. Ninja-Psylocke shamelessly rocked that horrible dialogue, and I love her for it!)
But I really never thought of her as the same person as the one who came *this close* to a scandalous May/December romance with Doug Ramsey in the Wildways. :)
I think they missed an opportunity with the Kwannon thing to have their cake and eat it, too. A little brain-fixing, and Betsy could have been back in her British body, and we could *still* have had sexy bikini-ninja / ex-Mandarin enforcer Babelocke. Win win!
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The Outback X-men here too (Including Maddie. Gods I miss the Maddie Pryor before Inferno. Dang you to heck Jean Grey!)
Gambit and Bishop as well. I liked 'em both.
Like YD, I liked Excaliber. Those are the books I read.
The team I felt most akin to though are the New Mutants.
What I hate the most about the 'modern' X-men? The lack of continuity. Doug comes back? We never hear anything about how Kitty and Betsy react (or how Doug reacts to Betsy's 'new look') Magneto brings Kitty back? No comments from Illyana, Logan, Doug... etc.
What ever happened to 'decompression' issues between BIG EVENT! :-(
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I like ninja psylock. It may be the horny teenager in me, but I do. I find the complaints about her overdone.
Ninja Psylocke as a new character would've been fine - a martial artist telepath is a pretty nifty idea for a comic book character. But I really liked pre-ninja Pyslocke - she was sharp, creative, and was one of the few non-telekinetic telepaths.
Sorry to say (oh wait! No I'm not), but it's not happening. Ninja psylock is here to stay.
No problem with British psylock, mind.
Sorry to say (oh wait! No I'm not), but it's not happening. Ninja psylock is here to stay.
No problem with British psylock, mind.
It's "Psylocke," and stating the patently obvious contributes nothing to the discussion. Many people prefer style over substance, so of course the gymnastic slut is here to stay, while the layered character is dismissed as boring.
What a surprise.
my phone aurocorrects badly.
Psylocke remains the same woman in my eyes despite the packaging, so it seems you have been hoisted by your own petard there.
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oh man I knew this would become all about Psylocke even before reading the thread
Not at all. She's clearly not the same woman, despite the claims, as has been foisted upon us post-Kwannon, so ... I'd say instead that many readers simply lapped up what Marvel offered them.
But since I'm not consulting for them, and Kwannon is clearly more popular, my opinion doesn't mean dick.
acceptance is the first step...
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guys guys guys guys
Rogue
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Rogue knocked on the door of the X-men, asking to become one of them, her previous main enemies, against the wishes of the only family she ever had, Mystique, because she believed that professor X could help her with her Carol Danvers-shaped problem where Mystique could not.
THAT was the character's triumph. She did get more interesting with her attraction to Magneto and her sometime relationship with Gambit. The issue where she gives a cheek scrape to a scientist to help her become human was lovely. Still, it's the same thing now. Overdeveloped, overused, static. And, you really have to wonder, when seemingly every single villain they meet has some way to nullify mutant powers, how can she still not have a way to turn her powers off when she wants to???