Serious Problem with an unapplied Scenario

[Kurthnaga]

So I've run into a rather large problem. Honestly I don't know if this thread will end up in a positive outcome for me, but figured I should make it out of total disclosure.

My Wizard recently hit level 12. He is my first character and I'm rather excited about going through Eyes with my local playgroup with him. Upon looking over my reported games in order to have my chronicles and my online records match up, and while finding scenarios I needed reported found I had a reported game that I did not have a chronicle for. I remembered that for whatever stupid reason that day I had to leave the store in a hurry and told my local coordinator to hold the sheet for me. He forgot about it, and now I'm left in a pickle. I have a game I definitely played, with a chronicle I should have that is unapplied. The problem is that applying said chronicle to my Wizard would put him at 12-1, leaving him unable to play Eyes of the Ten. But I need the chronicle sheet to remind myself that I've played the scenario before and because I should have record of it.

What is the course I take moving forward? Do I just retroactively apply it, losing my ability to play Eyes? Do I fill it out with 0's and leave it unplayable, never gaining credit for it? What is the proper way to go about fixing this mistake?

[Bigdaddyjug]

Well, I would have thought the thing to do would be to retro-actively apply it, thus making the character ineligible for Eyes. However, it is entirely possible that applying this chronicle may have made you ineligible to play some other scenario that you got credit for because you levelled out of the range. I would apply the chronicle you missed and then make sure you were eligible for every other scenario you played at the level you played them. If not, I would say you have to surrender that/those chronicle sheets and recalculate your character's gold and experience.

[godsDMit]

So far as I know, there is no official way to handle this. I think I would probably be to ask the coordinator of the game day to switch the reported number of the character you played from the level 12 to some other, yet unplayed, character, and treat the situation as if you had played a pregen in that scenario. Get the chronicle, apply to the other character, and go from there.

Edit: No, its not the best way to handle it, but its far less work than reworking every scenario youve played since then.

Either that or ask your local VO what they think you should do.

[Paz]

How many XP has this PC earned since playing the game you didn't get a chronicle for?

[Kurthnaga]

Paz wrote:

How many XP has this PC earned since playing the game you didn't get a chronicle for?

I believe he has earned 5 XP since then, although I may be wrong.

[Paz]

Seth Gipson wrote:

I think I would probably be to ask the coordinator of the game day to switch the reported number of the character you played from the level 12 to some other, yet unplayed, character, and treat the situation as if you had played a pregen in that scenario. Get the chronicle, apply to the other character, and go from there.

I agree with this, especially if you've played approx. 2 levels-worth of PFS since then. I would be loath to penalise someone for an honest mistake, especially when they've come forward looking for a solution.

[Robert Smythe]

I agree with Seth and Paz. Just have the local coordinator or your local VC change it to another character. Otherwise you'd have to fix all the sheets after the errant sheet to correct the XP/PP/GP and that'd be a mess.

[LazarX]

Just leave the chronicle aside unapplied for now, apply it after Eyes of Ten to your now retired character, and close it's books.

[Nefreet]

LazarX wrote:

Just leave the chronicle aside unapplied for now, apply it after Eyes of Ten to your now retired character, and close it's books.

Definitely do not do this.

You can take a PFS character all the way to level 20, and you'll get some weird looks if you used a 7-11 Chronicle to level from 13.2 to 14.

[The Ki Master]

I am happy to see the consensus is to not punish the OP for this oversight. Whatever action is taken should accomplish the following:
1. Apply the chronicle to some character. The OP has played this scenario, and the chronicles should reflect that.
2. Not advance his 12th-level wizard. This was an honest mistake and the OP was forthright in bringing it up. He should not be prevented from playing Eyes of the Ten because of it.
3. Not provide a benefit to the OP. While this was a mistake which does not warrant punishment, it likewise does not warrant reward. A player should not benefit from such a mistake; it sets a bad precedent.
4. Minimize the amount of bookkeeping work for VOs and coordinators.

I feel that one fair solution is to retroactively apply this chronicle to a new 1st-level character and report the character as dead.

Edit to add #4

[LazarX]

Nefreet wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Just leave the chronicle aside unapplied for now, apply it after Eyes of Ten to your now retired character, and close it's books.

Definitely do not do this.

You can take a PFS character all the way to level 20, and you'll get some weird looks if you used a 7-11 Chronicle to level from 13.2 to 14.

While you can, for most people level 12 is the end of the road for the character. If you actually plan on playing the character afterward, simply eat the loss, (which isn't a loss actually) and forget about applying the sheet as you already have the correct number of sheets you should have for Eyes of Ten.

[Nefreet]

Level 12 obviously isn't the end of the road for this character, since he's going through Eyes ;-)

[Melavis Clay]

From what I am reading you are still level 12.0, the reason is for your final sheet (presumably a 7-11) you would not have been in the proper level range for anyway. Once you hit lv 12 you are no longer eligable to get credit for a 7-11. I am not sure what you do with your final sheet but you cannot apply it to a character who is out of the level range. This also means you cannot wait until after EOTT and apply it then. Your final sheet (not the one you forgot) is just not going to count on this character.

[WalterGM]

I think the simplest solution would be to not take credit for the game you missed the sheet on. OP, you honestly forgot to apply the sheet and are getting no benefit from not applying it (you didn't TPK during that game or anything, I'm assuming).

Just treat it as if you played for fun. Since you forgot the chronicle, chances are you'll forget the specifics of the scenario as well, and can enjoy replaying it for credit somewhere down the line!

Alternatively, apply the sheet to another character. Either solution is fair and practical.

[Chris Mortika]

I agree with Jeff's solution.

It sounds like the situation has gone as follows:

[Character at 10th Level]
5-05: Elven Entaglement
5-10: Where Mammoths Dare Not Tread - forgotten Chronicle
5-17: Fate of the Fiend
5-25: Vengeance at Sundered Crag

[Character at 11th Level]
0-22: Fingerprints of the Fiend
0-26: Lost at Bitter End
0-28: Lyrics of Extinction

But, properly, it would have gone as follows:

[Character at 10th Level]
5-05: Elven Entaglement
5-10: Where Mammoths Dare Not Tread
5-17: Fate of the Fiend

[Character at 11th Level]
5-25: Vengeance at Sundered Crag (played at a handicap, since he hadn't leveled up to 11th)
0-22: Fingerprints of the Fiend
0-26: Lost at Bitter End

And then, played for no credit
0-28: Lyrics of Extinction
which could not have been played for credit with a 12th-level PC.

The character is completely legal if you don't apply that final game played. If I were auditing a character and found a Chronicle from one PC (not a pre-gen) applied to another PC, I'd call shenanigans.

[ElyasRavenwood]

I think Walter's Solution sounds like the simplest and a fairest solution to me.

[Kurthnaga]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I suppose it's easy enough to put it with my other sheets and a not-applied note on it. I could also apply the previous chronicle, Fury of the Fiend if anyone was curious, and write on my most recent sheet, King of the Storval Stairs, that I GM'd for no credit. In the event that I do the second, I'm going to assume that I should continue forward, never applying credit for the 2nd scenario while GMing it.

Now the only question is whether I should do the former or the latter.

Should I retroactively apply Fury of the Fiend or keep with my current setup and merely write off the other sheet. I'll consult my local Coordinator/VL/VC about the issue and get their input.

EDIT: Just wanted to quickly address Walter's point on the scenario in question. We had no deaths, and I didn't use any consumables,(Honestly I have criminally few of such things for a Wizard of that level), but it was a bit of a tough scenario. Oh well, even though I won't get credit for it, the chronicle will do with reminding me of the good time I had. :D

[WalterGM]

Kurthnaga wrote:

Should I retroactively apply Fury of the Fiend or keep with my current setup and merely write off the other sheet. I'll consult my local Coordinator/VL/VC about the issue and get their input.

This is the correct move. Since you're open to suggestion, if you do what they recommend no one will fault you in the end.

Enjoy Eyes!

[Kyshkumen]

Walter Sheppard wrote:

Kurthnaga wrote:

Should I retroactively apply Fury of the Fiend or keep with my current setup and merely write off the other sheet. I'll consult my local Coordinator/VL/VC about the issue and get their input.

This is the correct move. Since you're open to suggestion, if you do what they recommend no one will fault you in the end.

Enjoy Eyes!

I agree with Walter and I do not think you will have a problem with this at the local level. Let me know if you do though.

[Dragnmoon]

Quick question I did not see anyone ask. Was any of the credit since the one that got missed GM credit?

[Kurthnaga]

Dragnmoon wrote:

Quick question I did not see anyone ask. Was any of the credit since the one that got missed GM credit?

The very final credit applied to my character was GM credit.

[Sniggevert]

Kurthnaga wrote:

Dragnmoon wrote:

Quick question I did not see anyone ask. Was any of the credit since the one that got missed GM credit?

The very final credit applied to my character was GM credit.

Since that was the most recent, and in the end, illegally applied, it should probably just get adjusted to point to a different character. You character never actually played it (as it was GM credit), so no worry about consumables or any other type of misc. scenario expense not tracking appropriately either.

Just my 2cp.

[Altus Lucrim]

If the final credit was GM Credit, I'd simply apply that to a different character, such an easy fix with minimal paperwork involved.

[godsDMit]

Change my answer to agreeing with these last couple, in light of it being a GM credit.

[Don Walker]

If it were up to me, I'd have you drop your last Chronicle (the GM credit one) and add the Chronicle you forgot to your stack at the end with a note (initialed by your VO) stating why it is out of order date-wise.

You could then just put the GM credit for the Chronicle that was removed to another PC and (or) just edit the table online (to show no GM Chronicle was taken).

This would be the least messy fix. Alternatively your VC could re-issue all your Chronicles from the point of the missing sheet forward.

[The Ki Master]

I am also changing my response. Good insight, Dragnmoon! Move the GM credit to another character, tack on the forgotten chronicle on the end with an explanatory note. Easy peasy.

[Paz]

Given the new information, I concur with the last few posters that you should switch the GM credit chronicle to another PC.