Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
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#6-1 vote
#7-1 vote
#8-1 vote
How many moons?
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#2-1 vote
#3-1 vote
#5-1 vote
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#7-2 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10-2 votes
How many Suns?
#2-2 votes
#8-1 vote
Notice I have added the number of Suns, because that is something I had not considered, so please come back and vote on that issue.
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I vote no suns. Light simply exists. The fact that shadows exist is something other inhabitants don't even think twice of, but a peculiarity that the PCs can identify.
The number of moons itself could fluctuate, a representation of teh state of the dreamer. A red moon invoking feelings of wrath brings disaster to the dream, the lightless shadow moon a symbol of nightmares, a pinkish moon a time of happiness. The world becomes a reflection based on what moons are in the sky.
I vote no other planets.
Two suns here.
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I vote something not normal! You have a dream world, don't go with a normal cosmology. I liked the sun as a moon idea.
How about this? Light is the norm (similar to what someone mentioned) but the sun shines darkness. When it rises in the sky night falls. Things blocked from the sun are bright again, i.e. things cast bright shadows.
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What does "sun as a moon" even mean?
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I vote something not normal! You have a dream world, don't go with a normal cosmology. I liked the sun as a moon idea.
How about this? Light is the norm (similar to what someone mentioned) but the sun shines darkness. When it rises in the sky night falls. Things blocked from the sun are bright again, i.e. things cast bright shadows.
OOooh, I like that. I giant ball of dark fire that rises in the sky and sends the world into darkness. Maybe it eats the light in the world? Or possibly stealing away the colors of the world?
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-6 votes
#3-2 votes
#4-1 vote
#6-1 vote
#7-1 vote
#8-1 vote
How many moons?
#1-1 vote
#2-1 vote
#3-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#6-2 votes
#7-2 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10-2 votes
How many Suns?
#0-1 vote
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#8-1 vote
I have added the votes, but to Xzaral I need to know how many moons you want. Do you mean 10 or more? To Tempestorm, how many suns do you want?
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What does "sun as a moon" even mean?
I think it means that one of the suns is actually a moon - i.e. that the sun really does revolve around the planet instead of the other way around.
1 old Sun for me.
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Just to make it of note.
0 suns is my vote.
Edit: Like if you dreamt you were in your room but when you woke up you realized that although the place was like your room but the windows were all in the wrong place. So the world might revolve around a giant moon, and be orbited by tiny suns as one example.What does "sun as a moon" even mean?I think it means that one of the suns is actually a moon - i.e. that the sun really does revolve around the planet instead of the other way around.
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The question I have is whether or not the world is geocentric. It's going to make a bit of difference. Also, if the world is flat, round, or some other shape entirely may affect things, but here's my thoughts:
There are two suns: one is the king of summer, the other is the queen of winter. They love one another but are only allowed to meet in the spring and fall. The early spring rains come from their tears of joy, the late fall rains come from their tears of sorrow.
There are four moons: One is the source of all pleasant dreams, one is the source of all prophetic dreams, one is the source of all frightening dreams, and one is the source of all true dreams.
There are eight planets that are shiny star-beings and come in the eight colors of the rainbow: one is red, one is orange, one is yellow, one is green, one is cyan, one is blue, one is purple, and one is magenta. They enjoy a friendly dance competition across the sky and work as a source of inspiration for mortals.
There are sixteen signs to the zodiac: each is a different star-animal that moves slowly in procession across the night sky. Their bodies are clearly outlined and sometimes they'll do tricks to amuse themselves or others.
There are four Guide Stars along the horizon, each is 90 degrees apart. These are the realms of the dead.
Other immobile stars are the dream-realms of mortals and appear randomly in the sky.
Edit: Like if you dreamt you were in your room but when you woke up you realized that although the place was like your room but the windows were all in the wrong place. So the world might revolve around a giant moon, and be orbited by tiny suns as one example.What does "sun as a moon" even mean?I think it means that one of the suns is actually a moon - i.e. that the sun really does revolve around the planet instead of the other way around.
Kind of what I meant, but it's a good thing to clarify. :)
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Kind of what I meant, but it's a good thing to clarify. :)Edit: Like if you dreamt you were in your room but when you woke up you realized that although the place was like your room but the windows were all in the wrong place. So the world might revolve around a giant moon, and be orbited by tiny suns as one example.What does "sun as a moon" even mean?I think it means that one of the suns is actually a moon - i.e. that the sun really does revolve around the planet instead of the other way around.
Apparently I nitpick once every 1300 posts or so. I just couldn't escape the urge.
Hey, we're cool! I do to. It's a nerd thing, I think. :)
2 suns(one red, one yellow)
7 planets(Mars is covered with canals and ruled by Mars, the god of war, ect)There are several planetoids, including pluto and yoggoth.
7 moons(one is a white dwarf and has a greater effect on tides)
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1d10-1 planets. 1d10-1 moons. 1d4-1 suns. Reroll daily. Or nightly, as it were, depending on when dreaming god goes to bed.
Whether the planets and moons are the same from night to night is unclear.
If dreaming god eats cheese before bed, does the world become nightmarish?
0 planets (his dream focuses on this one)
at LEAST two moons, say 5 (some habitable)
0 suns (light just IS)
Weird cosmology, too. A flat world on the back of a great cosmic beast!
I vote 0 other planets, 2 moons, and 5 suns one for each energy type (acid, cold, electricity, fire, sonic). The moon's are in a closer orbit than the suns and they all revolve around the planet. Which is currently shining on the planet causes random events to occur (creatures randomly spawning, acid rain etc) with the only safe periods being when the moon's block the suns' rays.
The question I have is whether or not the world is geocentric. It's going to make a bit of difference. Also, if the world is flat, round, or some other shape entirely may affect things, but here's my thoughts:
There are two suns: one is the king of summer, the other is the queen of winter. They love one another but are only allowed to meet in the spring and fall. The early spring rains come from their tears of joy, the late fall rains come from their tears of sorrow.
There are four moons: One is the source of all pleasant dreams, one is the source of all prophetic dreams, one is the source of all frightening dreams, and one is the source of all true dreams.
There are eight planets that are shiny star-beings and come in the eight colors of the rainbow: one is red, one is orange, one is yellow, one is green, one is cyan, one is blue, one is purple, and one is magenta. They enjoy a friendly dance competition across the sky and work as a source of inspiration for mortals.
There are sixteen signs to the zodiac: each is a different star-animal that moves slowly in procession across the night sky. Their bodies are clearly outlined and sometimes they'll do tricks to amuse themselves or others.
There are four Guide Stars along the horizon, each is 90 degrees apart. These are the realms of the dead.
Other immobile stars are the dream-realms of mortals and appear randomly in the sky.
I really like what you wrote here. It will especially come in handy in Round 3 when I ask questions about the calendar and stuff like that. There will be stars, so if the vote goes against other planets in the "solar system" what you wrote can apply to "stars" and the signs of the zodiac. Good stuff!
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-8 votes
#3-2 votes
#4-1 vote
#6-1 vote
#7-3 votes
#8-2 votes
#9-1 vote
How many moons?
#1-1 vote
#2-3 vote
#3-1 vote
#4-1 vote
#5-2 votes
#6-2 votes
#7-3 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10-3 votes
How many Suns?
#0-2 votes
#1-1 vote
#2-5 votes
#3-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#8-1 vote
Very interesting so far. The voting currently appears to favor no other planets and 2 Suns, but the number of moons is in question. Once again, I will vote in case of a tie. Please check my math too. Please share and ask others to vote. This is a pure democracy...lol
Going with a traditional elemental dream:
- How many other worlds
- 5 (Earth, Water, Air, Fire and one jet black planet to resemble negative energy)
- How many moons
- X (as many as the major deities revered, one for each realm)
- How many additional suns (close-proximity stars)
- 0 (one is enough for the positive/negative relationship, and binary systems wouldn't hold planets in any case)
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-9 votes
#3-2 votes
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#6-1 vote
#7-3 votes
#8-2 votes
#9-1 vote
How many moons?
#0-1 vote
#1-1 vote
#2-3 vote
#3-1 vote
#4-1 vote
#5-2 votes
#6-2 votes
#7-3 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10-4 votes
How many Suns?
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#3-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#8-1 vote
friluftshund, I put your vote down for 10+ moons, since we don't know yet how many deities are revered. So far it looks like no other worlds around the two suns, but the Dreamworld will have lots of moons...maybe...the polls remain open...
6 other planets, 3 moons (more would become unweieldy). How important will these other worlds be beyond barely visible (possibly not) specks in the sky?
2 suns. One bright and yellow/orange, the other cold, dark blue/black.
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I really like what you wrote here. It will especially come in handy in Round 3 when I ask questions about the calendar and stuff like that. There will be stars, so if the vote goes against other planets in the "solar system" what you wrote can apply to "stars" and the signs of the zodiac. Good stuff!
Thanks! It looks like the votes are going against other worlds, but I thought to use the older idea of planets being wandering stars. I tend to get a bit obsessed with astronomy stuff at times.
Round 2 voting so far:
To Tempestorm, how many suns do you want?
I voted for two, the eyes of the Dreamer when they are awake.
I only mentioned the multiple suns in reference to Tacticslion's comment:
Also, while going beyond the strict question, I'm voting for "eight" suns, though they orbit so tightly (if erratically) and are so individually small that they don't seem to be more than one full sized sun - the net result, however, would be the almost surreal effect of seeing the sun almost randomly expand and contract in strange ways through the atmosphere above. Please note that this is not physically possible. It's just an interesting method of adding the number eight again to the Celestial bodies.Because I thought it was a cool idea.
That's actually really cool, because similarly, I voted for the eight, but also find the two eyes concept really cool. :)
Oh yes, I'm also in favor of dual wielding suns.
that's a vote for
2 suns
in numbers
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-10 votes
#3-2 votes
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#6-2 votes
#7-3 votes
#8-2 votes
#9-1 vote
How many moons?
#0-1 vote
#1-1 vote
#2-3 vote
#3-2 votes
#4-1 vote
#5-2 votes
#6-2 votes
#7-4 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10+-4 votes
How many Suns?
#0-3 votes
#1-2 votes
#2-8 votes
#3-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#8-1 vote
As we progress forward its looking like definitely zero other worlds and two Suns (the eyes of the Dreaming God). However, the number of Moons is still up to debate. I may have to vote in this round to break a tie unless something changes. Personally, I like lots of moons, so I would tend to favor more of them. Hmmmmm, maybe if the Moons represented something (like domains, philosophies, gods, etc) it would make my decision easier. Hopefully, I won't need to. Just a few more days...
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One thing that I was just thinking about was the idea of the dead of this world. It's interesting that the world is all a dream, but that the people are not - or rather, their physical substance is, but they are real, nonetheless.
That got me to thinking about the afterlife and spirit, and trying to form this into a PF-style game. In some ways, it could definitely explain the whole PF "petitioner slowly loses themselves thing", as they cease to become important to the meta-narrative of the dream beyond being "that good soul" or "that evil soul" and so on.
Speaking of, an idea for a variant cosmology of the planes is by alignment: the good one, the evil one, the lawful one the chaotic one, and the neutral one (the world itself). How are extreme alignments handled? According to their alignment!
Lawful good: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the good
Lawful neutral: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the neutral
Lawful evil: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the evil
Neutral good: 1/4 each definitively go to the good and neutral; of the remaining half, a random percentile goes to the good or neutral worlds.
Neutral: most end up in the neutral world, though 0-20% (variable at any given "time") end up in one of the other worlds instead
Neutral evil: 1/4 each definitively go to the evil and neutral; of the remaining half, a random percentile goes to the evil or neutral worlds.
Chaotic good: a random percentage go to the good and the chaos at any given time.
Chaotic neutral: a random percentage go to the neutral and chaos at any given time.
Chaotic evil: a random percentage go to the good and chaos at any given time.
Thus the Good place is populated by good souls of all sorts, the Lawful place by lawful souls of all sorts, the chaotic place by chaotic souls of all sorts, and the evil place by evil souls of all sorts. A few neutral souls occasionally end up in those places. Souls of all alignments (so long as partially neutral) end up in the neutral world - aka the material plane.
Those that end up in the material plane, being petitioners, are "ghosts" (the ghost template on a petitioner?). These ghosts eventually either devolve into animate dreams or spiritual undead, or evolve into fey spirits which incarnate into various kinds of fey, or are reincarnated into a new body (either by Samsaran-style reincarnation, the reincarnation spell, inhabiting a dead body <which could lead either to undeath or to a new life>, or the actual literal rebirth as a new person; or some combination thereof).
The other petitioners eventually fade and merge with their plane and reincarnate as (terribly generic) outsiders.
Daemons might be more closely related to the various denizens of Leng, Leng Spiders, moon beasts, and other similar nightmare creatures than in other settings.
The shadow world generates shadows of everyone and everything, whether or not they die by shadows. This is the "dream's dreaming" - the inception-style depth of dream where you have a distorted dream while you're dreaming. This may be the source of demons - or, alternatively, devils, as they have the "See in Darkness" ability - as well.
I've no idea if anything similar to this would be used in this world, but I wanted to mention it nonetheless.
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One thing that I was just thinking about was the idea of the dead of this world. It's interesting that the world is all a dream, but that the people are not - or rather, their physical substance is, but they are real, nonetheless.
That got me to thinking about the afterlife and spirit, and trying to form this into a PF-style game. In some ways, it could definitely explain the whole PF "petitioner slowly loses themselves thing", as they cease to become important to the meta-narrative of the dream beyond being "that good soul" or "that evil soul" and so on.
Speaking of, an idea for a variant cosmology of the planes is by alignment: the good one, the evil one, the lawful one the chaotic one, and the neutral one (the world itself). How are extreme alignments handled? According to their alignment!
Lawful good: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the good
Lawful neutral: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the neutral
Lawful evil: exactly half go to the lawful and half to the evilNeutral good: 1/4 each definitively go to the good and neutral; of the remaining half, a random percentile goes to the good or neutral worlds.
Neutral: most end up in the neutral world, though 0-20% (variable at any given "time") end up in one of the other worlds instead
Neutral evil: 1/4 each definitively go to the evil and neutral; of the remaining half, a random percentile goes to the evil or neutral worlds.Chaotic good: a random percentage go to the good and the chaos at any given time.
Chaotic neutral: a random percentage go to the neutral and chaos at any given time.
Chaotic evil: a random percentage go to the good and chaos at any given time.Thus the Good place is populated by good souls of all sorts, the Lawful place by lawful souls of all sorts, the chaotic place by chaotic souls of all sorts, and the evil place by evil souls of all sorts. A few neutral souls occasionally end up in those places. Souls of all alignments (so long as partially neutral) end up in the neutral world - aka the...
This is incredible work, Tacticus Lionius, and it will definitely be used! I was wondering how the outer planes would be handled in the dream world, and this answers it. I will do a round on the other planes and I may just ask that question. :)
Glad you like it! :D
As long as I can see a large saturn like planet during the day, I'm good
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Yes, I am assuming that one moon will be what the calendar is based on (again I assume because it will be up to a vote) so it will probably be the largest moon. If I vote for the 10+ moons, and it wins, then maybe one of them will be what the calendar is based on, and then you have 9 other moons which seems to go along with alignment. I am open to suggestions always. Let's see how the voting goes.
The two Suns will surely win, so are we going with the "Eyes of the Dreaming God"? Someone could come up with they are called "suns", or we won't have words like "sunlight", etc. This is all good. :)
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Yes, I am assuming that one moon will be what the calendar is based on (again I assume because it will be up to a vote) so it will probably be the largest moon. If I vote for the 10+ moons, and it wins, then maybe one of them will be what the calendar is based on, and then you have 9 other moons which seems to go along with alignment. I am open to suggestions always. Let's see how the voting goes.
The two Suns will surely win, so are we going with the "Eyes of the Dreaming God"? Someone could come up with they are called "suns", or we won't have words like "sunlight", etc. This is all good. :)
Unless, of course, each moon only is out one month a year if there are 10+. They could be very different in appearance and you can tell which month it is by which moon is visible.
Dormoculi? Dreamer's light?
I liked Enlightenment, from Dr Who. Most NPCs, when they die, they transfer. The dream matter evaporates and another character forms. The one navel officer tried to latch on to Tegan, becoming her summoned friend(the name of these creatures elude me because it's arbitrary).
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Cuàn has the best argument here so far, and I'd almost say he has the perfect answer, but I've got a different one, that doesn't fit here very well.
Basically, 1 sun and 1 moon. Except what the players think is the sun is actually the moon, and vice versa.
This is only worth considering if the celestial bodies aren't just afterthoughts - they have to be very central to the story somehow, with the characters having some sort of ability to get up close and personal with them. If not, the entire question is largely irrelevant.
If that part of plot doesn't work, then go with Cuàn's idea - 0 planets, 7 moons. Make the moons significant, have them represent something.
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-11 votes
#3-4 votes
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#6-2 votes
#7-3 votes
#8-2 votes
#9-1 vote
How many moons?
#0-1 vote
#1-2 votes
#2-3 vote
#3-3 votes
#4-2 votes
#5-2 votes
#6-2 votes
#7-4 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10+-4 votes
How many Suns?
#0-3 votes
#1-3 votes
#2-8 votes
#3-1 vote
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#8-1 vote
OK, good, I think I am ending this Friday or Saturday, I will probably vote to break the tie on the Moons issue, but lets wait...
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0 worlds (this one's the focus), 7 moons (5 classic Chinese elements + good and evil), 0 suns (because it sounds slightly more interesting for a dream than 2)
I vote 4 suns, 4 moons, 3 other planets (so in total there is 4)
Did I mention I like the number 4?
also since you mentioned NPC's bassed on our names, how will you handle mine?
Just plain old "Link" will do. The number could be your age or birth date. :)
Round 2 voting so far:
How many other worlds in the Solar System?
#0-12 votes
#3-4 votes
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#6-2 votes
#7-3 votes
#8-2 votes
#9-1 vote
How many moons?
#0-1 vote
#1-2 votes
#2-3 vote
#3-3 votes
#4-2 votes
#5-2 votes
#6-2 votes
#7-5 votes
#8-1 vote
#9-1 vote
#10+-4 votes
How many Suns?
#0-4 votes
#1-3 votes
#2-8 votes
#3-1 vote
#4-1 vote
#5-1 vote
#8-1 vote
All right, with that last vote 7 moons is in the lead by 1! I can see the 5 elements, if we include Void, or just 4 elements plus good, neutrality, and evil. However it goes, and it could mean something else entirely. Of course they need names. 1-2 more days and then we move on to Round 3!!!!!