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...And Lo! In those dark early days emerged the knowledge that by the bump verily some companies might live, and verily some companies might die.
So began the dread Bumping War, as it became known in later years, when the widows wailed and orphans despaired... or the orphans wailed and the widows despaired I know not which.
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As you probably know the Viridian Order is a neutral aligned group that is concerned with protecting and preserving the balance of nature. On a personal level I view myself as a role player first and foremost, so I wholeheartedly agree with the founding principles of TEO. While member of the Viridian Circle may work with bandits and may even SAD harvesters that strip-mine we will be doing it for purely IG reasons that tie in with our character concepts. So this is my attempt to extend an olive branch to the TEO, who'll we'll mostly likely be supportive of, unless your settlement is abusive towards nature and the natural world.
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We are certainly willing to try working in a peaceful manner with your order. Potential conflicts may arise if you are working with bandits operating in or around our home settlement. But foreign engagements with bandits outside of our areas of interest shall cause little contention.
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We are certainly willing to try working in a peaceful manner with your order. Potential conflicts may arise if you are working with bandits operating in or around our home settlement. But foreign engagements with bandits outside of our areas of interest shall cause little contention.
We respect our allies. Therefore it's unlikely we'd take a direct hand against the TEO and support banditry or make nasty escalation cycles for you to deal with, unless you operate against our guiding interests. If nothing else the Viridian Circle is much more trustworthy no evil groups. If we give our word we mean it.
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The Explorer's League is one of the largest sub-guilds within TEO and there are more than one among us whom live a druidic lifestyle.
Ultimately what paths we take lie with the will of our membership and the council, but I find it unlikely TEO will turn a blind eye to it's effects on nature. I can name at least one council member who would not support such a course for us.
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I suspect we'll be fast allies, as long as the TEO shows respect for nature and doesn't over-exploit your resources. Which it sounds like you don't intend on doing. No doubt the Viridian Circle will stumble across information or places of interest to TEO. We'll happily share that with our allies. After all the Viridian Circle can't be everywhere and do everything, so by sharing all of our mutual goals are more easily achievable. I can see much interest within the Viridian Circle (which already has a member of TEO among our number) in joining your excursions.
You should note that we're likely to be friends with TSV, TEO and UNC. Any battle between these rivals groups we will remain 'neutral'.
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Ravening, why did you only list TEO, T7V and UNC. What problems do you have with PAX or the dwarves company (Deep<something>) or others for that matter?
I believe he was pointing out perceived rival groups. Pax is not a perceived rival group to any of the three he mentioned, rightly or wrongly.
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Ravening, why did you only list TEO, T7V and UNC. What problems do you have with PAX or the dwarves company (Deep<something>) or others for that matter?
We have no problems with any other company or group. We'd happily work and group that respects the natural world.
Ravening, why did you only list TEO, T7V and UNC. What problems do you have with PAX or the dwarves company (Deep<something>) or others for that matter?I believe he was pointing out perceived rival groups. Pax is not a perceived rival group to any of the three he mentioned, rightly or wrongly.
The Viridian Order doesn't have any issues with any of the groups listed above. It's as Bluddwolf says, the various groups have issues with each other. So when a spat occurs we wouldn't help either side, unless one of those groups or settlements of the groups are acting recklessly towards the natural world.
Our standards are fairly clear which makes us predictable and reliable allies. Cunning groups would try and manipulate rivals into abusing natural resources. If this became a pattern, then its fairly clear where our assistance would follow.
Of particular interest to us will be how settlements act when they are under the greatest pressure. If a settlement that has a good record of respecting nature, suddenly becomes short-sighted and strip-mines their resources when facing intense pressure. Then that is incredibly damning in our eyes and shows a short-sighted attitude.
It's easy to be 'good' when things are fine and dandy. It's how you act when under pressure that shows us your true self.
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As a heads up for any members who do not frequent our private forums... Founder's Week, something of a Covenant of the Phoenix (our parent org) holiday, begins Thursday. Our own Gedichtewicht has taken the initiative to run some forum games, of which he will be posting details soon. Other chapters will also have their own events, in their respective games and outside of them. All members are invited to join in and participate. If interested, remember to stop by the CotP forums on Thursday and check it out!
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As a heads up for any members who do not frequent our private forums... Founder's Week, something of a Covenant of the Phoenix (our parent org) holiday, begins Thursday. Our own Gedichtewicht has taken the initiative to run some forum games, of which he will be posting details soon. Other chapters will also have their own events, in their respective games and outside of them. All members are invited to join in and participate. If interested, remember to stop by the CotP forums on Thursday and check it out!
Are non-members allowed to pop in? The Battle of the Bards is intriguing, although haiku isn't my metier...
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The events are for Covenant of the Phoenix members participation, as it is sort of an intra-organization event. However, the game forums have been posted in our public section, so they should be visible for any interested in following the poetry or playing the riddle game 'at home'.
If there is interest, perhaps we can expand these events into the forum here after Founder's Week concludes. The riddles are easy enough to continue, and the winning entry of The Battle of the Bards could kick off a new event hosted here using the Add Favorite button as the system of up-voting.
So please feel free to spectate, and if interested in seeing such events carry over please let us know!
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CotP/TEO Riddles: http://www.covenantofthephoenix.com/forums/topic/37426-founders-week-game-m indgames-riddles/
CotP/TEO Battle of the Bards: http://www.covenantofthephoenix.com/forums/topic/37425-founders-week-game-b righthavens-battle-of-the-bards/
Credit for arranging and getting these under way goes to Gedichtewicht
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We do have a couple pathfinder pen & paper games trying to get set up in the CotP forums as well, including one of my own that I would like to try out if those are more of what is catching your interest, Harneloot. I see you have expressed interest in joining our organization. If you do (join instructions are in the first post), I highly advise checking out the CotP Pen & Paper forum. If you do not, I may go fishing for players if not enough CotP members bite and will keep you in mind. I've not advertised publicly in the PFO forum because I would probably get swarmed with requests and I was hoping to use the game as a bonding tool within our parent organization.
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Are non-members allowed to pop in? The Battle of the Bards is intriguing, although haiku isn't my metier...
I would very much like other people to join, and if i´m not mistaken you can create an account for the public forums without applying for membership in the CotP.
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Giving away some free 3rd party PDFs (copies of the Edgewalker by Interjection Games) here if anyone is interested. Partly because I'm feeling giving and also in celebration of Founder's Week. Spread the joy!
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...although haiku isn't my metier...
And about that, all that really matters for this contest is the form;
as in 3 lines, 5-7-5 syllables.That´s why the rules say write a Haiku or Senryū
This is not a puristic contest;)
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Thanks Lifedragn! I am driving to our TT pathfinder game this Friday with my Shieldmate (who is much more experienced with MMOs than I) and we are going to discuss Company's/organizations to apply to. He mentioned that he has heard of TEO from his years playing EVE and is going to try to bring me up to speed on how MMOs like EVE work. So perhaps by Saturday I won't be asking so many *simpleton* questions around here.
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I'm Back after a "thousand years" absence from the forum, and still in for the green cloacks!
Ah! And changed my avatar too, as the one I was using is too popular and I find myself meeting my own avatar all the time having an "I'm cloned!" feeling.
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Many joyous returns. Welcome back.
And no worries, Harneloot. Take your time and make sure you join up where you feel the best fit is. TEO hopes to style itself as a defender-of-the-innocent role that seeks to stand as an intermediary between the peaceful folk with little interest in PvP and the less peaceful folk who want a lot of PvP. We'll fight the good fight so that others do not have to (unless they want to, of course).
Though I do not know that TEO, at least our TEO, was ever that huge in EVE. We had a small band playing it together for a few months. Though I am not sure how much of a splash they made.
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Though I do not know that TEO, at least our TEO, was ever that huge in EVE. We had a small band playing it together for a few months. Though I am not sure how much of a splash they made.
Why, we burned away the old new eden to build from it´s ashes the utopian paradies that the new new eden is today :D
(of course we didn´t, most of us dabbled a bit in a lot of stuff but it didn´t last, we had some fun times though:) )
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The Empyrean Order has struck my interest indeed! I'm quite curious about you all being involved in a "gaming community" (CotP) though. Smaller guilds are usually where I've found myself in the past as I feel gaming communities could possibly force players together that do not share each other's likes or interests.
I'd really like to hear more on why you decided to be a part of this particular gaming community and how you feel it has, or perhaps will, impact TEO.
If you'd rather send this information in the form of a private message, please feel free. Thank you for reading and I look forward to learning more about your organization.
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@Nevy, Lifedragn will surely respond to your concerns, but as a friend of TEO, I'd point out that they already have prepared for a number of "small guild" type Companies they will sponsor where you'd probably feel more comfortable.
Also, I like the new Avatar :)
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The Empyrean Order has struck my interest indeed! I'm quite curious about you all being involved in a "gaming community" (CotP) though. Smaller guilds are usually where I've found myself in the past as I feel gaming communities could possibly force players together that do not share each other's likes or interests.
I'd really like to hear more on why you decided to be a part of this particular gaming community and how you feel it has, or perhaps will, impact TEO.
If you'd rather send this information in the form of a private message, please feel free. Thank you for reading and I look forward to learning more about your organization.
We chose to join CotP because they matched our view of games and gaming. It gave us a wider pool of players to draw from, and more games for us to play with a community in the mean time. Our interests mirror CotP almost exactly. As for smaller communities....TEO is the CotP branch for PFO. We are free to act as we please in the game, as long as we don't act against what CotP stands for. TEO is further subdivided into interest themed guilds (The Explorer's League for our scouting types, Golden Scales for the Crafters), so you'll find a community for whatever you want to do in PFO.
Speaking as the leader of The Explorer's League, I hope you join TEO and more specifically the Green Cloaks (our nickname for the League). Regardless, best of luck in PFO, and may your paths ever be interesting!
(Lifedragn will almost certainly say most of this, but far more eloquently)
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@Nevy, Lifedragn will surely respond to your concerns, but as a friend of TEO, I'd point out that they already have prepared for a number of "small guild" type Companies they will sponsor where you'd probably feel more comfortable.
Also, I like the new Avatar :)
Sarenrae is such an interesting character, I was immediately drawn to her and Sivanah when reading on the deities of Golarion. There are no avatars for Sivanah on this website so my profile picture was a far easier decision than my in game religion shall be :)
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I do not know about more eloquently, as you pretty much have explained it pretty well already Alexander Damocles. I guess I have spoiled this lot with my long-winded and extravagant explanations. Joining with CotP really was about two factors. Extending our social network while waiting for PFO and aligning our similar groups together from the front rather than compete for the same user base in the future when the game caught CotP eyes more fully. A third and lesser factor is that CotP has been around for a long time whereas TEO is a new organization for a new game. It will improve our longevity to be able to learn and adapt to the leadership techniques that have served to keep them alive.
If you have more specific questions, I am more than happy to field them. I try to keep an open policy on pretty much everything that isn't tied to organizational security or decisions that I am unable to make without consulting the council.
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@Nevy, Lifedragn will surely respond to your concerns, but as a friend of TEO, I'd point out that they already have prepared for a number of "small guild" type Companies they will sponsor where you'd probably feel more comfortable.
Also, I like the new Avatar :)
Whether we are starting with separate companies or one big company with sub-divisions is still up in the air. Our initial incarnation is likely to be a single large sponsored company and potentially have the sub-divisions as non-sponsored companies. Seeing as optimal influence return per person is set at company sizes around 50, we may alter course. We've got well over a hundred people on our roster that haven't been active in about year. If even half of them form up with us as soon as we can start companies we'll be well over limit seeing as we are already halfway there in folks who have remained active this whole time.
We just do not have enough information yet! But either sponsored or non, we will have the divisions listed on our front posting. It isn't mandatory to join one at this time, but encouraged.
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As much as I can speak for TEO, they are a decent sort of organization. If you don't go in for the big-guild feel but share the values of TEO I would recommend starting your own guild and jumping in to develop Brighthaven (or joining one of the existing minor-guilds that will be in brighthaven, whom I don't know if they do currently exist)
As much as I am likely to be at odds/allied with TEO off an on I am fine with saying theirs and T7V are extremely driven, fun-loving guilds. One is militant and inspiring the other is intriguing and knowledgeable. I'll let you figure out who is who ;)
Pax is a good one too, except it is much to large and organized for my current desires so I don't recommend it (completely biased, as people they are more than satisfactory)
UNC is also a great guild if you wish to play murderous backstabbing rogues and enjoy a little highway robbery. They are highly dedicated to building a strong meta-rule abiding community to keep the "bad-guys" from ruining the game, but rather improve the game.
Last but not least in my short synopsis of the major guilds I know about/care about is, of course, the Viridian Circle. Actually we are a minor guild. Anyways, the Viridian Circle is a militant druid/nature protecting organization whose main goal is to keep everyone in check so that they aren't abusing nature. So far everyone is actually parts of other guilds, but I'm sure we will get sole members eventually, and everyone in the guild so far is dedicated to the cause (for whatever reason).
I'd also like to mention Tony's breads. hehehehehhehehehehheheheheehehheh
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We respect our allies. Therefore it's unlikely we'd take a direct hand against the TEO and [b[support banditry or make nasty escalation cycles for you to deal with[/b], unless you operate against our guiding interests. If nothing else the Viridian Circle is much more trustworthy no evil groups. If we give our word we mean it.
...On the other hand, these maybe things to keep in mind for roleplaying reasons,
as part of a player scripted event,maybe in liaison with hobs...
hmmmmm... i think i leave that thought here.
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I do not know about more eloquently, as you pretty much have explained it pretty well already Alexander Damocles. I guess I have spoiled this lot with my long-winded and extravagant explanations. Joining with CotP really was about two factors. Extending our social network while waiting for PFO and aligning our similar groups together from the front rather than compete for the same user base in the future when the game caught CotP eyes more fully. A third and lesser factor is that CotP has been around for a long time whereas TEO is a new organization for a new game. It will improve our longevity to be able to learn and adapt to the leadership techniques that have served to keep them alive.
If you have more specific questions, I am more than happy to field them. I try to keep an open policy on pretty much everything that isn't tied to organizational security or decisions that I am unable to make without consulting the council.
Thank you for the response!
So the leadership of TEO will be held by TEO members, and those members alone? If so, would CotP members whom wish to join TEO go through an admissions process? I'm trying to comprehend how they are a separate entity yet still the same.
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The original members of TEO are still the leaders of TEO. Members from CotP are allowed (and even encouraged to join), but a member's ranking in one branch does not carry over to a new branch. I might be on the council of TEO but if I join the game in another branch (Eve, Rift, The Elder Scrolls, Wildstar, etc etc etc) I default to lowest rank and have to earn my way within it and abide by the rules the members in those branches have set.
Overall though, CotP does have some governing rules that all branches within it follow then allow said branches to establish their own rules beyond those. This list of those is the CotP Charter which anyone can read here.
Mostly though, CotP is a gaming community. Wherever we go, whichever game we join we have a presence and friends in to game with that have a similar set of views to our own. It's been a great move for TEO and has lead to meeting a lot of like-minded people that are a blast to game and chat with.
Hope that answers your questions!
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I do not know about more eloquently, as you pretty much have explained it pretty well already Alexander Damocles. I guess I have spoiled this lot with my long-winded and extravagant explanations. Joining with CotP really was about two factors. Extending our social network while waiting for PFO and aligning our similar groups together from the front rather than compete for the same user base in the future when the game caught CotP eyes more fully. A third and lesser factor is that CotP has been around for a long time whereas TEO is a new organization for a new game. It will improve our longevity to be able to learn and adapt to the leadership techniques that have served to keep them alive.
If you have more specific questions, I am more than happy to field them. I try to keep an open policy on pretty much everything that isn't tied to organizational security or decisions that I am unable to make without consulting the council.
Thank you for the response!
So the leadership of TEO will be held by TEO members, and those members alone? If so, would CotP members whom wish to join TEO go through an admissions process? I'm trying to comprehend how they are a separate entity yet still the same.
Admission and membership is easily shared from game to game. Though as Ixiolander states, each chapter maintains its own leadership. Being a leader in one chapter does not automatically improve your ranking in another chapter. However, as a single organization it allows groups of like-minded individuals to quickly find new places as they explore different games. Interested in checking out Star Wars but don't have any friends there? CotP has a chapter you can jump in with and automatically have a support network.
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When first creating your application for CotP there will be a question for which game you are joining through. As an example...
Q. What game chapter are you applying to join? Final Fantasy XIV, RIFT, SWTOR, etc...
A. Pathfinder Online
Q. What is your in-game characters name, class and level?
A. Game not released yet - no characters
Q. Please state where you heard about the Covenant of the Phoenix.
A. The Empyrean Order recruitment thread on Paizo
That should have you in the TEO Chapter by default.
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The original members of TEO are still the leaders of TEO. Members from CotP are allowed (and even encouraged to join), but a member's ranking in one branch does not carry over to a new branch. I might be on the council of TEO but if I join the game in another branch (Eve, Rift, The Elder Scrolls, Wildstar, etc etc etc) I default to lowest rank and have to earn my way within it and abide by the rules the members in those branches have set.
Overall though, CotP does have some governing rules that all branches within it follow then allow said branches to establish their own rules beyond those. This list of those is the CotP Charter which anyone can read here.
Mostly though, CotP is a gaming community. Wherever we go, whichever game we join we have a presence and friends in to game with that have a similar set of views to our own. It's been a great move for TEO and has lead to meeting a lot of like-minded people that are a blast to game and chat with.
Hope that answers your questions!
Thank you again for the answers! I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm quite wary of these gaming organizations and how its members (perhaps people you don't know from Adam) maintain the ability to, by association, become your guild member due to their association with the gaming community. Especially in a game like Pathfinder Online where assets will be hard to come by and furthermore harder to keep. My imagination augmented by paranoia runs wild with the endless negative possibilities this may involve. I'll definitely do some more in depth research into the CotP community so I can make a more informed, and perhaps less jaded, opinion as I feel I might have the wrong outlook.
Again, I appreciate all of your responses, thank you!
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Thank you again for the answers! I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm quite wary of these gaming organizations and how its members (perhaps people you don't know from Adam) maintain the ability to, by association, become your guild member due to their association with the gaming community. Especially in a game like Pathfinder Online where assets will be hard to come by and furthermore harder to keep. My imagination augmented by paranoia runs wild with the endless negative possibilities this may involve. I'll definitely do some more in depth research into the CotP community so I can make a more informed, and perhaps less jaded, opinion as I feel I might have the wrong outlook.Again, I appreciate all of your responses, thank you!
Seeing as most organizations around this board have formed of members who are merely associated by the Paizo forums at the beginning, I see little difference from most of the other groups here. In a gaming community, if you garner a bad reputation in one chapter, news and gossip of that does tend to get out. So if anything, you have an association of folks who can give references on the value of members.
The wide open recruiting done on these forums certainly allows for negative influence to make its way into a group. Information that may affect the security of the organization tends to remain with leadership and proven members and is not always available to the membership as a whole. Right now we do not really have anything that could affect such security, but we can expect to see these policies play out as we march to OE and the game mechanics that would require them fall into place.
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Overall though, CotP does have some governing rules that all branches within it follow then allow said branches to establish their own rules beyond those. This list of those is the CotP Charter which anyone can read here.
I would second everything Ixiolander and Livedragn said, but the above bears repeating.
The ratification of this charter is what Cotp celebrates for the 7th time this year, they have been around longer, but this is the core of how they treat people, how they play games and how they except members to behave towards each other.As Ixio said each chapter may create it´s own additional rules (The eveonline chapter for example has probably the highest security measures,, out of necessity), but the charter is enforced in all chapters.
And i think that is a good thing.