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Tels wrote:

Keep in mind, a Bard that takes Perform (keyboard) isn't actually playing a keyboard when he uses Versatile Performance or Bardic Performance. Neither is the Bard singing, dancing, using a wind instrument, playing a guitar etc. for Versatile or Bardic Performance.

All it means is your Bard is good at playing the keyboard (like a piano, or possibly xylophone).

Where is that stated? I was always under the impression that a Bard was indeed performing, hence the limited cross over choices that can be related/substituted, to use those skills. He dances nimbly to perform acrobatics, his inspiring oration handles diplomatic situations, like the pied piper his flute leads the animals, etc.


Fomsie wrote:
Tels wrote:

Keep in mind, a Bard that takes Perform (keyboard) isn't actually playing a keyboard when he uses Versatile Performance or Bardic Performance. Neither is the Bard singing, dancing, using a wind instrument, playing a guitar etc. for Versatile or Bardic Performance.

All it means is your Bard is good at playing the keyboard (like a piano, or possibly xylophone).

Where is that stated? I was always under the impression that a Bard was indeed performing, hence the limited cross over choices that can be related/substituted, to use those skills. He dances nimbly to perform acrobatics, his inspiring oration handles diplomatic situations, like the pied piper his flute leads the animals, etc.

Well, for one the Bard is kind of the 'baby child' of James Jacobs and he's stated on numerous occasions that you aren't actually playing your instrument or giving a speech for Versatile/Bardic Performance because that would mean that many of the performances would either never be taken, or be impossible to use. For example, if you had to play a guitar to use your bardic performance, that means you can't fight anyone as both of your hands are occupied playing the guitar.

Think about the ridiculousness involved if you selected Keyboard for Versatile Performance and every time you made a Diplomacy check you had to whip out your grand piano and then go all Beethoven and 'negotiate with the power of music'.

Also, if you read Versatile Performance, you'll note it never once says make a Performance Check, it just says substitute your Performance bonus.

Versatile Performance wrote:

At 2nd level, a bard can choose one type of Perform skill. He can use his bonus in that skill in place of his bonus in associated skills. When substituting in this way, the bard uses his total Perform skill bonus, including class skill bonus, in place of its associated skill's bonus, whether or not he has ranks in that skill or if it is a class skill. At 6th level, and every 4 levels thereafter, the bard can select an additional type of Perform to substitute.

The types of Perform and their associated skills are: Act (Bluff, Disguise), Comedy (Bluff, Intimidate), Dance (Acrobatics, Fly), Keyboard Instruments (Diplomacy, Intimidate), Oratory (Diplomacy, Sense Motive), Percussion (Handle Animal, Intimidate), Sing (Bluff, Sense Motive), String (Bluff, Diplomacy), and Wind (Diplomacy, Handle Animal).

And as for Bardic Perfromance, that is slightly different. While it mentions being trained in the perform skill, the reality is the Bard ins only required to be make some sort of audible or visual component, many require both. For example, if you were required to play your instrument (or whatever Perform skill you chose) and you didn't select one of the non-audible perform skills, there are many bardic performances you simply can't use. Distraction, for instance, requires visible components; if the person you're distracting can't see you, then they can't be distracted.

Soothing Performance requires both audible and visual performance, meaning you would have to do some sort of song and dance in order to use it.

What it really amounts to is the Bard must make noise and must be visible in order to use his bardic performance. Now you can flavor this however you wish (my party is fond of using the phrase, "I start humming" to indicate BP), but you aren't required to be playing an instrument to use Bardic Performance.


[Dot] Thanks for a very inventive guide.[Dot]


I didnt read every post to see if it was mentioned but the master performer feats from the faction guide are not pfs legal. I only got that far before I had to go check since someone got my hopes up =(


Is there any bonus that the bard can get from the Imperious bloodline? I noticed that the eldritch heritage feats were suggested and I'm not sure how, but being able to augment both morale and competence bonuses seems right up the bard's alley!

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines -from-paizo/racial-bloodlines/imperious-bloodline-sorcerer-human


The Imperious Bloodline's Heroic Echo boosting of a group morale bonus is only from a spell, spell-like ability or magic item that affect multiple targets.

The latter one is an intriguing one individually however, as the Sorcerer boosts any morale bonus they receive by +1, technically can have enchanted items which give you all sorts of morale bonuses and you (as an Imperious Bloodline Sorcerer) can benefit from a 'free' +1 to that in effect, at 9th level this applies to Competence bonuses too.

Quite what an item that gave Competence and Morale bonuses to say, armour class or attack rolls would look like I'm not sure but in effect the Imperious could enjoy a +2 extra protection from them.


El Patalán wrote:

This is slightly out of theme... and it seems a little naïve too but...

how do you play a keyboard bard? Do you appear a piano with that cantrip than I don't remember it's name?

This is because I am DMing a bard and the piano is very umpopular for him...

Some keyboard instruments are quite portable: technically, the accordion is a keyboard instrument. (Some might argue that it's a wind instrument, but by that definition, a piano is a string instrument!) There's also the kalimba or thumb piano, which is incredibly portable.


Maybe it's possible to make a melee flagbearer...

1)Impervious, countering and dueling magical weapons can help.

2) The elf favoured class bonus can help too.

I'm playing a mounted summoner right now but my next character will be a melee flagbearer. Maybe it will be a fiasco or a success but I want to prove that build... only as an intellectual challenge.


My first attempts seem cool... like a +3 to hit at first level. The main problem is my enemies not sundering or disarming my longspear.

My strategy could be to hit spellcasters and avoid strong guys and assuming a more pasive role against BBEG.

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Would make sense to figure out a way for the flag bearer to function something like the Japanese nobori or Sashimono, this way it could be mounted in the character's back, visible to everyone and still allow the bearer to fight fully.


Fomsie wrote:
Would make sense to figure out a way for the flag bearer to function something like the Japanese nobori or Sashimono, this way it could be mounted in the character's back, visible to everyone and still allow the bearer to fight fully.

It would be very cool but Banner of the Ancient Kings must be "firmly wielded" in two hands, sadly. :-(

Grand Lodge

I loved your guide... Thank you for making it!

Grand Lodge

Fantastic guide - Thank you! This really helped me fill the gap left with the change to battle cry.

I second adding a section about helpful halfling - the +4 to attack or +4 to AC really helps out in a pinch. Don't forget to use a scorpion whip so you still threaten for flank and AOO's.


I posted on here...over a year ago? Wow.

Anyhow, a thought exercise, the court bard - Not a buffer with performance but a debuffer, HOWEVER they can still buff through spells (at the same time as debuffing - Spellsong) and so that you have the ability to effectively debuff your enemy, boost your spell offence (enchantment/fear) and/or also buff you party - this avoids all of the duplication to morale bonuses that Bards face. Yes I know it IS something of an oxymoron but it deserves to be in the guide. And yes, I am a big fan (having played one).


blowing some dust from this thread.

first of all: pretty nice guide, thanks for that one! I have a question as well concerning favoured class bonus of aasimars.

it says: "Aasimar Choose one bardic performance; treat the bard as +½ level higher when determining the effects of that performance."

<<< in the guide (page 19) it is written, the inspire bonus is +4 for a LVL9 aasimar bard. if I do the math, I end up differently.

1/2xLVL9 = 4.5 = 4 so the bard should be counted as a LVL9+4 = LVL13 bard. this means inspire courage +3, not +4.

could someone clarify that problem for me? would be nice.


Anubis2406 wrote:

blowing some dust from this thread.

first of all: pretty nice guide, thanks for that one! I have a question as well concerning favoured class bonus of aasimars.

it says: "Aasimar Choose one bardic performance; treat the bard as +½ level higher when determining the effects of that performance."

<<< in the guide (page 19) it is written, the inspire bonus is +4 for a LVL9 aasimar bard. if I do the math, I end up differently.

1/2xLVL9 = 4.5 = 4 so the bard should be counted as a LVL9+4 = LVL13 bard. this means inspire courage +3, not +4.

could someone clarify that problem for me? would be nice.

Banner gives +4 on your level as well, bringing you to lvl 17.

Take note that some things, like courageous weapon, have changed a lot since this guide.


thanks for the quick respond. the other things just kick in very late and I doubt my party wuld pay for courageous weapon and stuff. also LVL9 is far far away, we've just started LVL1. but anyway, thank you!


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I know it's nearly 2018 and all, but I have some items that might be awesome for buffer Bards:
Dervish Sikke.
Banner of the Scarlet Rose

Banner of the Scarlet Rose might be a little difficult because it requires one hand to be firmly holding it. Aside from that, you need to be a woman. It should stack with your Dervish Sikke and (Grand) Master Performer feats.

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