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Unofficial FAQ!
With the Witch's ability to grab as a free action on an attack, is that also a swift action or does it function like the monster ability Grab?
The grab part of the white hair (ability) functions like the monster ability; it doesn't take an action at all and is a part of the main attack.
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Note: The Paizo staffer making the above statement was James Jacobs, the Creative Director. It is important to note that James, while very knowledgeable, is not a developer or designer of the Pathfinder rules and is occasionally overruled by one of the designers (like Jason, Sean, or Stephen.) In this case though since this post has been up since January of 2012, it seems that it has not been challenged or overruled by another designer. In any case, since this has not appeared in an "official" errata document, it is up to the GM to determine if this is the way the ability runs in his or her campaign.
I found the above on the OCG web site. Posting this in hopes of making it official... or no.
I will also add this question to the FAQ update request.
If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4?
neferphras wrote: If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4? You'll have to post some relevant text. Off the top of my head I see no reason why giving an attack reach would make it secondary.
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Nefreet wrote: neferphras wrote: If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4? You'll have to post some relevant text. Off the top of my head I see no reason why giving an attack reach would make it secondary. There is no FAQ response needed. As per standard rules regarding natural attacks. If a creature ONLY has one natural attack, that attack is a primary attack period. Reach does not change this, nor does it have anything to do with damage dice.
And the implied slur on Mr. Jacobs was really uncalled for.
I am simply unfamiliar with the rules neferphras was referring to, as I'm sure other readers may be.
Also, I have no idea what the "OCG web site" is.
LazarX wrote: Nefreet wrote: neferphras wrote: If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4? You'll have to post some relevant text. Off the top of my head I see no reason why giving an attack reach would make it secondary. There is no FAQ response needed. As per standard rules regarding natural attacks. If a creature ONLY has one natural attack, that attack is a primary attack period. Reach does not change this, nor does it have anything to do with damage dice.
And the implied slur on Mr. Jacobs was really uncalled for. @Nefreet: I believe they are referring to the d20pfsrd site, the note was on the page with the relevant ability IIRC.
Much less a slur and more like the web site covering all the bases for people using the resource.
As for the question, a white haired witch has an always on hair attack with a reach dependant on level. When they take the prehensile hair hex, they gain an additional hair attack with a static reach and differing damage while the hex is in effect. Technically we now have 2 natural attacks with differing stats both based on "hair" so that is where the OP's question comes into play.
The white-haired witch is an unplayable mess. Not under- or over-powered, but unable to answer the question "what do I add to this roll", for multiple cases.
LazarX wrote: Nefreet wrote: neferphras wrote: If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4? You'll have to post some relevant text. Off the top of my head I see no reason why giving an attack reach would make it secondary. There is no FAQ response needed. As per standard rules regarding natural attacks. If a creature ONLY has one natural attack, that attack is a primary attack period. Reach does not change this, nor does it have anything to do with damage dice.
And the implied slur on Mr. Jacobs was really uncalled for. Wow i meant to imply no slur at all. Not even slightly, where did you get that from. I was only hoping to make his opinion official.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch -archetypes/white-haired-witch
When you type in Pathfinder OGC in google or any search engine thats what comes up.
Skylancer4 wrote: LazarX wrote: Nefreet wrote: neferphras wrote: If a white hair witch takes Prehensile hair as a Hex, giving it +5 reach, is the attack still primary and 1d4? You'll have to post some relevant text. Off the top of my head I see no reason why giving an attack reach would make it secondary. There is no FAQ response needed. As per standard rules regarding natural attacks. If a creature ONLY has one natural attack, that attack is a primary attack period. Reach does not change this, nor does it have anything to do with damage dice.
And the implied slur on Mr. Jacobs was really uncalled for. @Nefreet: I believe they are referring to the d20pfsrd site, the note was on the page with the relevant ability IIRC.
Much less a slur and more like the web site covering all the bases for people using the resource.
As for the question, a white haired witch has an always on hair attack with a reach dependant on level. When they take the prehensile hair hex, they gain an additional hair attack with a static reach and differing damage while the hex is in effect. Technically we now have 2 natural attacks with differing stats both based on "hair" so that is where the OP's question comes into play. UGH really, they end up being 2 different attacks? Starting to see the unplayable mess comments merit.
Neferphras, when you post a link, please do it in this format:
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It will then appear as this: Name of your link
When you just type the hyperlink text into a post, Paizo cuts it in half (notice the space in the post you made?), so as to cut down on spam posts. It makes your link broken and not functional.
I may be missing something obvious here, but:
How do you get prehensile hair hex with a white-haired witch?
The abilities replace the hex class feature, which is prerequisite for extra hex feat.
EDIT: never mind, hexcrafter is an answer...
EDIT 2: in which case I believe it is two different natural attacks, as others suggest.
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Nefreet wrote: Neferphras, when you post a link, please do it in this format:
[URL=http://www.yourlink.com]Name of your link[/URL]
It will then appear as this: Name of your link
When you just type the hyperlink text into a post, Paizo cuts it in half (notice the space in the post you made?), so as to cut down on spam posts. It makes your link broken and not functional.
gotcha will do
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