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[Zi'on Darkbane]

Donald Robinson wrote:

@Zi'on- If it makes you feel any better, any one person (excluding our 3 champion voters) couldn't have had probably more than a 2% impact on any single item. In most cases (based on the items I saw MULTIPLE times), it was between a .8% and 2.15% of the votes possible. Granted, this was running numbers from 300K-375K votes on anywhere from 503-550 items. There was one error in my assessment in that I didn't factor in the approximate number of items pre-cull and how many votes were taken at that time. So the numbers are spread over 503-550 and why I used such a large range of votes.

But anyways... just trying to cheer you up (and myself) with not being on lists. With over 2K voters and 300K votes, anything can happen!

Thanks for the sentiment. I'm not really down (much). I do wish though, given how much I learned in the last week, that I could have somehow learned it earlier.

Which places me in the position of waiting and hoping for "anything" to happen...

I've started tinkering with my monster and if anything has made me not want to advance it's the heartache and time I've already put into that. It's been a great experience all around, but it does make me question my sanity as to why I want to put myself through this wringer.

It must be why some people play golf - I've never been drawn to it myself, but I've always suspected the allure and dedication was proportionate to the frustration that the game produced.

They are somehow arcanely bonded to their 9-iron while the same is true for me and my d20.

Yup, it's a sickness alright...

[Anthony Adam]

Interestingly, following on from Neil in a way, I have noticed a trend with the shared lists...

My list has more in common with shares from entrants who are entering for the second, third, etc year. I have very, very few matches with shares from first time entrants share lists.

So there is definitely some convergence on how people voted and rated items based on how many times they have entered before.

[Wicht]

I'll swap my list with anyone who wants. PM me. I'm interested to see the common threads and the differences. I already saw Papa Steve's and I think we had only 1 item alike and it was not one I thought was Superstar (I just thought it was a really useful item.)

[Tripp Elliott]

Zi'on Darkbane wrote:

I am amazed how little consensus there is on the lists I have seen...

And utterly shocked that my item isn't on every list.

And more utterly astounded that it isn't on any list... /sad block-headed guy

I think I'll play at civil engineering today like a good little blockhead...

I was equally surprised to see mine on any lists, especially two! After voting on so many items, I definitely thought I saw a bunch that were more Superstar than mine.

Am I the only person that always reads the word "Superstar" with a Molly Shannon flare to it?

[James Raine]

Who wants to see my keep list? Send me a PM.

[Joseph Kellogg]

I'll have to keep a list next year. I don't have anything to trade :-(

[Wicht]

Joseph Kellogg wrote:

I'll have to keep a list next year. I don't have anything to trade :-(

Just go through the post-cull list and jot down which ones you remember being favorites. That's all I did.

[Zi'on Darkbane]

Joseph Kellogg wrote:

I'll have to keep a list next year. I don't have anything to trade :-(

I didn't keep a list either, but was able to put something reasonably close to what I actually voted for by going through the cull list. It was a worthwhile exercise...

[Anthony Adam]

I think there is something worth point out here...

Don't get despondent if your item is not on the lists you see. Don't count yourself out of the running.

These are lists of one persons take on their favorites and what the Top 32 should be.

BUT remember this, all of us voted on more than just our favorites, likely up-voting items which didn't appear in our favorites list, even down-voting items we saw on other peoples shared lists.

Some people voted on their preferences on items, some voted on formatting, some on content, some on word count, some on name, some looked to the designer behind the item itself.

Only the sorting algorithm on the server and now the judges know the averaged and final ordered list covering all our voting choices. You may find that when the top 32 (or more) get revealed, that it is wildly different to every list we have shared.

So chin up to everyone, keep the hope alive a little longer and don't worry about disparity in our lists.

[Andrew Shumate]

So, I've assembled 10 lists thus far, and have found some interesting results. Together, these 10 lists contain 170 unique items. Here are the number of lists each item appears on:

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 0 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 15 items
2 lists: 28 items
1 list: 121 items

Astounding, really. There seems to be practically no agreement between the lists regarding what items are actually the best (aside from the item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

[Zi'on Darkbane]

Netopalis wrote:

So, I've assembled 10 lists thus far, and have found some interesting results. Together, these 10 lists contain 170 unique items. Here are the number of lists each item appears on:

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 0 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 15 items
2 lists: 28 items
1 list: 121 items

Astounding, really. There seems to be practically no agreement between the lists regarding what items are actually the best (aside from the item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

If there's only one really good item I hope to clinch one of the remaining 31 "so-so" slots!

Hooray!

I think...?

[Donald Robinson]

Have 7 lists so far. Need more lists...

[Wicht]

There's a couple appearing on multiple lists that I will be very surprised to find in the top 32. Even if they might be on my list.

[Zi'on Darkbane]

Anthony Adam wrote:

You may find that when the top 32 (or more) get revealed, that it is wildly different to every list we have shared.

"...wildly different..."

I had hoped to bank on sheer talent and utter item irresistibility, but right now I'll gladly settle for "wildly different" expectations...

[Joseph Kellogg]

Netopalis wrote:

So, I've assembled 10 lists thus far, and have found some interesting results. Together, these 10 lists contain 170 unique items. Here are the number of lists each item appears on:

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 0 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 15 items
2 lists: 28 items
1 list: 121 items

Astounding, really. There seems to be practically no agreement between the lists regarding what items are actually the best (aside from the item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

Ooh, that's very interesting. Do you have that meta-list in a PM-able format?

[Andrew Shumate]

Joseph Kellogg wrote:

Netopalis wrote:

So, I've assembled 10 lists thus far, and have found some interesting results. Together, these 10 lists contain 170 unique items. Here are the number of lists each item appears on:

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 0 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 15 items
2 lists: 28 items
1 list: 121 items

Astounding, really. There seems to be practically no agreement between the lists regarding what items are actually the best (aside from the item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

Ooh, that's very interesting. Do you have that meta-list in a PM-able format?

It's a rather hefty Excel database, I'm afraid.

[Joseph Kellogg]

Netopalis wrote:

Joseph Kellogg wrote:

Netopalis wrote:

So, I've assembled 10 lists thus far, and have found some interesting results. Together, these 10 lists contain 170 unique items. Here are the number of lists each item appears on:

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 0 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 15 items
2 lists: 28 items
1 list: 121 items

Astounding, really. There seems to be practically no agreement between the lists regarding what items are actually the best (aside from the item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

Ooh, that's very interesting. Do you have that meta-list in a PM-able format?

It's a rather hefty Excel database, I'm afraid.

Just copy it down manually then. Don't worry, I'll wait. :D

[michael patrick]

I'm in. I only have about nine items on my list. I'll show you mine...etc, etc

[Joseph Kellogg]

Yeah, I've put together a short list of things that stood out to me by looking over the database. So I'll trade that to anyone interested.

[Papasteve08]

Thats a good point Anthony, dont get bummed out if you dont see your item on a list!

This isn't about that at all. One reason I wanted to do it is because every time I send my list out, I am hoping that your (ie whoever I send my list to) item is on it. Even if I don't pick a single item that actually makes it on the actual top 32, I hope I made your day when you saw your item on my list. I know my day was made when I saw it on someone else's list.

Taking that one step farther, the other thing I am hoping to learn here is how do my tastes line up with the judges? Chances are very high that items I like are similar to the item I made. Therefore, if items I like don't come close to the top 32, I should re-evaluate what kind of item I am making/voting on. This is a far different way of learning how to design than just "what is wrong with my item" because its a lesson in how the judges look at items compared to how I look at other items.

This is also why I think doing it before the top 32 reveal is the fact that you have the courage to put yourself out there as an evaluator. I can't back out of my list, because a bunch of you have seen it. Comparing my list to the top 32 is a way of self evaluation of my own eye as a designer. Maybe I can make a pretty decent item, but can I pick a good item out of a crowd? Beyond that, can I pick a good DESIGNER out of a crowd of items? Ultimately, that is why we vote anyways, we are helping the judges narrow down the list of the best, and we get the benefit of seeing what other people do and how they do it.

Once again, I hope no one takes this thread as a discouragement. This is gads of data that seemingly hasn't really been evaluated or collected before in this way. Lets see what we can get from it.

And hopefully your item is on my list. :)

[Kalervo Oikarinen]

Okay, I just compiled a list of items I liked. I left out my own item and any other item I might have a bias towards. This was compiled by skimming the post cull db, so I probably missed quite a few others.

List for list and so forth.

[Donald Robinson]

I'm at 9 lists to compare so far (accepting new ones)

Update on the stats from compilef lists:

• 168 Unique Items
  
• 40 items on 2+ lists
  
• 12 items on 3+ lists
  
• 1 item on 4+ lists
  
• 0 times my item has appeared
  
• 10-32 = range of items on lists
  

[Tokoz]

I'm in. I've tried to PM everyone that asked so far, but I might have missed some.

The lists so far are very interesting.

[Andrew Shumate]

14 lists. New numbers!

7 lists: 1 item
6 lists: 2 items
5 lists: 3 items
4 lists: 5 items
3 lists: 25 items
2 lists: 27 items
1 list: 140 items

Total items: 216

[Georgios Avate]

I was voting from many different places while on vacation, like Glasgow, Stirling, Edinburgh, and then Bolton (England) when I came back. So I really couldn't keep a list this time around, however I am interested in seeing the lists folk have kept. I will try to assemble a list from memory by looking through the post-cull list of items and trade that back as fast as possible, but remembering things is not really my cup of tea, so in the meanwhile if anyone with a list is kind enough to pm it to me, I'd be really grateful!

PS: My Paizo's PM inbox is empty, it makes me sad :(, so... please?~

[Wicht]

I also have been compiling the lists I have received. If you have not yet sent me one, please do so.

There is one item in particular I am very surprised to see on such a large number of lists. But that's part of what makes it interesting.

[pH unbalanced]

Joseph Kellogg wrote:

I'll have to keep a list next year. I don't have anything to trade :-(

Me too.

[Samuel Stone]

I think I got everyone who PM'd me their lists. There's one item that I've been seeing quite a bit that I really liked, so hopefully the judges think that item is cool as well.

In any case, if anyone else wants to trade lists (or is just curious and doesn't have a list this year), feel free to PM me!

EDIT: There's another item I quite liked that I've only seen on my list so far (not my item) that I rather hope makes it as well.

[Rich Malena]

I just can't do it! I've almost posted in this thread a couple times, but now that it's really getting moving, I'm back to say I just can't do it.

I am currently that voter in the easternmost edge of Maine who votes first thing in the morning, runs home, and then hides in a corner with fingers in their ears until the US election results are officially announced some twenty hours later.

Which is weird, since I see this more like the parties we usually have on election days to watch as the votes roll in. But since MY name is on at least one ballot (mine!), it feels very different.

But knowing that I'm hiding from the Exit Poll is certainly making this weeklong wait feel like an eternity. I'll just keep my head in the sand and design some more monsters, encounters, and module ideas. Just in case.

[Curaigh]

Anthony Adam wrote:

Interestingly, following on from Neil in a way, I have noticed a trend with the shared lists...

My list has more in common with shares from entrants who are entering for the second, third, etc year. I have very, very few matches with shares from first time entrants share lists.

So there is definitely some convergence on how people voted and rated items based on how many times they have entered before.

When we start a thread of lists next week (though yeah, some of you will be bored with it already :) Should we also keep track of creators years entering, voting tags, previous Top 32, etc.? I recall DankeSean's list being +50% on the Top 32 and +90% on the Keeper Pile (top 89). Since he has multiple tags I trust his judgement highly. Neil's even higher as he has been on both sides of the curtain. :)

That said if DankeSean (or Neil & Clark) want to pm me a list... :)

[Kalervo Oikarinen]

Well this is mostly for fun and curiosity since the sampling is too small to tell anything definite or make accurate predictions.

And then there are the judges, who knows what might strike their fancy.

[James Risner]

Netopalis wrote:

item that appears on 7 lists. I think we'll all agree that one's pretty amazing.)

Have you gotten my list yet?

I'm interested in the list of items on 3 lists or more.

[Eric Morton]

I have 99 items that I liked. From those, I have tentatively picked my Top 32, which I have broken down into a Top 16 and a Next 16. I also have a fair number of alternates; those are in a state of flux, and may end up bumping a few items out of my Next 16.

If anyone else with a list wants to see my Top 32, PM me and I'll send you a private link to a Google Doc containing my Round 1 Exit Poll results. Feel free to append your own list of favorites to the end of the Exit Poll document.

[Shadders]

Why not jump in? PM me your list and I'll return you mine. I'd be interested to understand others’ tastes and hope I can encourage a few people whose items appear only list? (I only made Star Voter though, so there would be plenty of items I didn't see.)

Perhaps someone who is on top of this thread could make a list of everyone who has volunteered to share lists!

[Chris Shaeffer]

Alrighty! I just made up a list of 40 items that have stuck in my brain since voting. I also have light commentary on why for each one. Message away! :)

[Thunderbuckets]

I wouldn't mind seeing a few lists (though mine is at home and I probably wouldn't have time to post it until the end of the weekend, at which point I might as well just wait for Tuesday) but: receiver mode is ON.

[Papasteve08]

Good idea Shadders - I will come up with a list of people who want to share lists this evening when I can spare a few minutes (unless someone beats me to it) Then I can cross check it with the people who have PM'd me and see if I missed anyone...

Or just PM me if you haven't already sent one to me!

[James Casey]

Would folks send me a PM of lists please.

[nikou]

I didn't make a favorites list (something about voting at odd times, one pair at a time, on multiple computers between home and school), as it was I barely made star voter. Still, I'd love to see top favorite lists, see if my item shows up, or some of the items that I'll go, yeah, I remember that item!

As it was, I didn't see that much variety, I only voted a few times, and kept seeing certain items over and over again. I never did see my item post-cull, but my BF saw it the night before voting closed. Anyway, if you have a little charity, PM me your list. Next year I'll definitely keep one!

[Curaigh]

Not quite a list, but I clicked favorite on everyone asking for PMs. So if you see '1 person marked this as favorite' it should be the person to PM. Since their name is right next to the favorite tab it should be easy to open their profile and send the message. I may have missed one or two, or worse double clicked someone, but it seemed a quick way indicate that this person wanted some sharing.

cheers
EDIT: their, there, they're

[Papasteve08]

Alright everyone: If you decide you want to trade lists, please reply to this and add your name to the list so we can keep it up to date. Then have fun going back through and finding these guys to PM your list to!

I can't say this enough, thanks to everyone who is participating!

People who want to trade lists with you:

Papasteve08
Acre
Jrcmarine
Chris Shaeffer aka Hodge Podge
Shadders
Eric Morton aka Epic Meepo
James Risner
Kalervo Oikarinen aka lumiapina
Samuel Stone
Wicht
Giorgios Abate aka Gio
Tokoz
Joseph Kellogg aka RainyDayNinja
michaeljpatrick
Anthony Adam
Zi'on Darkbane
James Raine aka FaxCelestis
Netopalis
Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan
Donald Robinson
Andrew Marlowe aka Locke1520
Mikko Kallio aka Serpent
Devilfluff
Azouth
Reckless
Garrick Williams aka Cyrad
Aeris Fallstar

People who just want to see your list, but don't have a list to trade:
Thunderbuckets
Wolfboy
Nickolas Floyd
Nikou

[frank gori]

Papasteve08 wrote:

Alright everyone: If you decide you want to trade lists, please reply to this and add your name to the list so we can keep it up to date. Then have fun going back through and finding these guys to PM your list to!

I can't say this enough, thanks to everyone who is participating!

People who want to trade lists with you:

Papasteve08
Acre
Jrcmarine
Chris Shaeffer aka Hodge Podge
Shadders
Eric Morton aka Epic Meepo
James Risner
Kalervo Oikarinen aka lumiapina
Samuel Stone
Wicht
Giorgios Abate aka Gio
Tokoz
Joseph Kellogg aka RainyDayNinja
michaeljpatrick
Anthony Adam
Zi'on Darkbane
James Raine aka FaxCelestis
Netopalis
Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan
Donald Robinson
Andrew Marlowe aka Locke1520
Mikko Kallio aka Serpent
Devilfluff
Azouth
Reckless
Garrick Williams aka Cyrad
Aeris Fallstar
GM_Solspiral

People who just want to see your list, but don't have a list to trade:
Thunderbuckets
Wolfboy
Nickolas Floyd
Nikou

[Chris Shaeffer]

Well crud, 10 lists seen and no sign of my [redacted]. It's a small subsection of the voters here though, and few people have seen every item. So people in the same boat, take heart!

However, those lucky folks who are repeatedly showing up on lists can be a little more confident, since their item is trending in even such a small subsection of voters. ;)

[Papasteve08]

Chris Shaeffer wrote:

Well crud, 10 lists seen and no sign of my [redacted]. It's a small subsection of the voters here though, and few people have seen every item. So people in the same boat, take heart!

However, those lucky folks who are repeatedly showing up on lists can be a little more confident, since their item is trending in even such a small subsection of voters. ;)

Sent you my list Chris...

Don't lose heart, there are literally hundreds of different items on the dozens of lists I have received...

[James Casey]

Well my item made at least onepersons list, not including my own. I only saw four so far. I am on my tablet at the moment. As soon as i am back at my computer i will send my list out. Please send me your list if you havent already.

[Taylor Hubler]

Look, this is a bit ridiculous. Why not have a google doc spreadsheet where all the lists are posted. Each column is a new list. Each column is headed with the list's number. When a new list is added the person maintaining the doc gives that person their number. No one's name is put on the list.

Just one big place for all the lists, no voter names. I doubt something like that would influence the judges.

We are trading the information so freely I don't see a reason why something like that would be such a bad thing.

[Papasteve08]

Maybe it is ridiculous... its still fun. I am sure there are a bunch of ways that would be better, but it is still fun!! Eventually someone will make a thread where people just post their lists in the thread, after the top 32 are revealed (or so I have heard) but I didn't want to wait.

[Chris Shaeffer]

Eh, this works well enough, and encourages some extra unrestricted side-banter between our fellow board mates. Friendships may blossom~ :)

(In my humble opinion. But I'd be down for the other as well. Or neither for that matter. Not too long until Tuesday!)

[Papasteve08]

Chris Shaeffer wrote:

Eh, this works well enough, and encourages some extra unrestricted side-banter between our fellow board mates. Friendships may blossom~ :)

I second this

[Shadders]

Interesting. I've seen 9 people's other lists. I haven't calculated how many unique items there are on these lists - over 100, I'm guessing.

But two things were quickly apparent:
* 20 out of the 26 items on my list do not appear in any of these other lists.
* I'm feeling strangely affirmed in my decision not to design a monster yet. :-P

Thanks everyone who has messaged me. I hope your item appeared on my list. Hang on. Ummm... Maybe that should be, "I hope your item appeared on Feros' list!"