Also, you don't get bonus spells known as a wizard if you're going a PrC every level.
I still think that's a wretched misinterpretation. Just because 3.0 to 3.5 added the "spontaneous casters blah blah blah" language, so that they could actually *get* spells shouldn't have meant anything negative to spellbook users. Out of context interpretation. Gah[/soapbox]
Yes, no spells the first level - it's worth it.
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To me that's a little ambigious but you've got a case to argue the spells known should either apply to wizard/sorcerer or neither as both get hurt by not learning new ones. After all how is it fair for a wizard to miss out on 20 spells while a sorcerer gets up to 17 depending on the levels they take eldritch knight? For that matter what good is it gaining a new spell level and having no spells to cast with it?
Because a wizard can:
1) Find a scroll and scribe it into his spellbook.2) Find a friendly wizard and borrow his spellbook to copy.
3) Find an unfriendly wizard and borrow his spellbook posthumously.
4) Pay for a scroll and scribe it into his spellbook.
5) etc.
There's plenty of ways for wizards to get access to spells. A sorcerer can't use any of those methods, she only gets the spells that come to her from a mystical source when she levels.
A wizard can scribe new spells into his spell book. A sorcerer cannot, and would never gain new spells if the prestige class didn't say so, so he would be damage to a MUCH higher degree than a wizard would.
The big thing is that not only can wizards copy spells into their spellbook, they're largely assumed to. The spells they get by leveling up are largely to ensure they get something immediately once they level up, but most wizard spell learning will be done in downtime spell-copying.
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so I'm reading it as you must be wizard level 20. So I repeat where is my immortality spell particulary given that no other disocvery has such a high level.
In the hands of your GM - who can approve any customization you want.
Honestly, if your campaign is going all the way to 20th level, there's a good chance it will go to 21st. EK levels count as wizard levels so - 10 levels of wizard, 1 level dip for martial weapon proficiency, 10 levels of EK and take immortality with your 21st level feat.
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A wizard can learn an arcane discovery in place of a regular feat or wizard bonus feat.
Diverse Training: An eldritch knight adds his level to any levels of fighter he might have for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats (if he has no fighter levels, treat his eldritch knight levels as levels of fighter). He also adds his level to any levels in an arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of meeting the prerequisites for feats.
Immortality (Ex): You discover a cure for aging, and from this point forward you take no penalty to your physical ability scores from advanced age. If you are already taking such penalties, they are removed at this time. You must be at least a 20th-level wizard to select this discovery.
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I'm just not sure WHY it's a 20th level thing. Stuff you get at that level should be earthshatteringly awesome capstone abilities ... this hardly does anything.
There is no reason from the text that wizards shouldn't get their two free spells when leveling in a class that provides improved spellcasting. Wizards don't have a "Spells Known" class feature, and it's only because Sorcerers *do* have a separate feature that this text had to be added in the first place (because someone on some board somewhere complained it wasn't clear they got any more spells, I'm sure). Yes, I know the FAQ contradicts - it should be rescinded.
I'm just not sure WHY it's a 20th level thing. Stuff you get at that level should be earthshatteringly awesome capstone abilities ... this hardly does anything.
Ah, Immortality, how thou have fallen so.
There is no reason from the text that wizards shouldn't get their two free spells when leveling in a class that provides improved spellcasting. Wizards don't have a "Spells Known" class feature, and it's only because Sorcerers *do* have a separate feature that this text had to be added in the first place (because someone on some board somewhere complained it wasn't clear they got any more spells, I'm sure). Yes, I know the FAQ contradicts - it should be rescinded.
I'm just not sure WHY it's a 20th level thing. Stuff you get at that level should be earthshatteringly awesome capstone abilities ... this hardly does anything.Ah, Immortality, how thou have fallen so.
Ever looked at monk capstones? My favourite is the one where a monk gets to die to the extend that people don't even recall his existence. Way to be epic!
Granted, the monk can resurrect people in the process, but still.
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Huh? The Monk becomes a Magical creature with DR 10/Chaotic.Ever looked at monk capstones? My favourite is the one where a monk gets to die to the extend that people don't even recall his existence. Way to be epic!
Granted, the monk can resurrect people in the process, but still.
The archetypes. Specifically Monk of the healing hand for that one.
Well if that's the official word, its the official word it still seems a bit mean to me especially as those 2 per level are the only ones you get to select what you want rather than finding Spell X is not available to buy and no enemy wizards have it because the GM is using the pre-generated spell lists for what's in there.
Hey, compared to Basic D&D or AD&D it's band camp. From the Rules Cyclopedia:
When the player character begins play, the teacher gives him a spell book with two 1st level spells in it. When the PC reaches 2nd level, the teacher writes another 1st level spell in the book. When the PC reaches 3rd level, the teacher will write a 2nd level spell in his book, and when he reaches 4th level the teacher will give him one more 2nd level spell.
In many campaigns, that's the point at which the teacher stops instructing the character. The character has gone from apprentice to journeyman and now he must journey in order to learn more of magic.
Ah, Immortality, how thou have fallen so.Ever looked at monk capstones? My favourite is the one where a monk gets to die to the extend that people don't even recall his existence. Way to be epic!
Granted, the monk can resurrect people in the process, but still.
Umm.. perhaps I've gotten confused. The Capstone for a wizard is his school power, not his 20th level bonus feat.