I can never remember when the upcoming products list is updated - is it soon?
I note that the module line will be 'fully released' in January. Granted the new quarterly schedule changes things, but it would be great to see what is in the works. (Similarly for the campaign setting line - I can make the obvious guesses based on the upcoming AP, but there's usually a surprise or two).
Hmm. I seemed to remember it more in batches than a gradual thing. Ah well. The next module is the main thing I want to know - hopefully that'll be announced soon.
Ah thanks. Any idea when the next module is likely to be announced (presuming the December then January release schedule is accurate - is the next one due out March/April (ish)?
is there actually a list where everything announced is shown? Where is it?
No, there isnt. This page is the closest I've found, but it's a long way from complete.
The way I generally check is product line by product line, starting here. It's not ideal though.
Yeah that's what I do too. I agree it's certainly not ideal.
You can also subscribe to the new products preorder feed, here . :)
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Liz just put up the next batch of products.
As far as the Module line goes, the product after Tears at Bitter Manor will be the Emerald Spire Superdungeon. (Because that one is extra huge, there won't be a Module in the March slot.)
Um, no offense, but didn't the Emerald Spire Superdungeon come into existence because of a $1million Kickstarter? How is it justifiable that "bonus content due to successful funding" now equates to "have to make room for extra content by cutting expected content"?
Bonus content should mean an extra item on the schedule. It should NOT mean replacing something on the schedule AND cutting another something because the "extra" became so big due to promises that were made to ensure funding. That feels like a bait and switch.
Um, no offense, but didn't the Emerald Spire Superdungeon come into existence because of a $1million Kickstarter? How is it justifiable that "bonus content due to successful funding" now equates to "have to make room for extra content by cutting expected content"?Bonus content should mean an extra item on the schedule. It should NOT mean replacing something on the schedule AND cutting another something because the "extra" became so big due to promises that were made to ensure funding. That feels like a bait and switch.
I can think of a few reasons here:
1) To prevent subscribers from having to pay more than they budgeted for that year.
2) Because no matter how much funding comes in, there's still the same editorial bottleneck.
3) The Kickstarter was for Pathfinder Online. The Emerald Spire superdungeon was promised as a bonus reward, not the end product of the Kickstarter itself. The funding raised (hopefully) went to Goblinworks for software development. Emerald Spire still has to be made as a standard Paizo product.
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Don't get me wrong, Matt, I understand their reasons (and will condone any decision that keeps them from backing up in the always-looming yearly bottleneck). But if the Emerald Spire was promised as a reward for a Kickstarter, why is that Kickstarter's resulting funding not what pays for it? Why is this item in the subscription line? Why is it even occupying a spot in the regular schedule (two spots, actually)?
If it was an "extra" that resulted from a successful Kickstarter, then I would be unsurprised if customers feel a bit cheated due to the loss of two modules from the regular line. Especially if those customers don't care a whit about Goblinworks (and there are plenty of people who don't).
Emerald Spire is not part of the subscription line, but if Pathfinder Modules subscribers pre-order it, they will receive the PDF for free (much like how Adventure Path subscribers could get the PDF of the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition for free)—see Vic's post here.
Don't get me wrong, Matt, I understand their reasons (and will condone any decision that keeps them from backing up in the always-looming yearly bottleneck). But if the Emerald Spire was promised as a reward for a Kickstarter, why is that Kickstarter's resulting funding not what pays for it? Why is this item in the subscription line? Why is it even occupying a spot in the regular schedule (two spots, actually)?
(Don't worry, I'm reading it as concern and not an attack on Paizo or anything :) )
There's a misunderstanding by a lot of people that what your money goes to in Kickstarter has to pay for producing the reward you receive, which isn't helped by the misconception that it's some kind of preordering system.
According to Kickstarter rules, the only restrictions on rewards are that they have to be produced by the people running the Kickstarter. So, technically, a company that produces car tyres but wants to expand into making car batteries can run a Kickstarter to set up their battery factory, and offer tyres as a reward to the backers.
So the way I'm reading it - Paizo wanted money to fund Goblinworks' development of Pathfinder Online. They looked at various things they can give backers, and as they make RPG material they decided to give that as a reward. The decision to make Emerald Spire may have been influenced by the Kickstarter, and it given as a reward to backers, but that doesn't prevent it from also being a retail product for those of us who were not backers.
You're looking at it as a Kickstarter reward being put into the release schedule, while I'm looking it as something from the release schedule being given free to Kickstarter backers of Pathfinder Online as a thank you present for reaching a certain level of funding for the project ;) (Although it's also quite possibly true that particular product's development was influenced by the need to produce a Kickstarter reward, and that much of the background material written as a result is used both in the print product and the digital one)
I may not be right, but I just wanted to illustrate how it can be looked at from another point-of-view.
Emerald Spire is not part of the subscription line, but if Pathfinder Modules subscribers pre-order it, they will receive the PDF for free (much like how Adventure Path subscribers could get the PDF of the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition for free)—see Vic's post here.
I'm not complaining, but that means that for the usual subscribers of the modules line who aren't getting Emerald Spire, there's a 9-month gap between two releases in the subscription, right?
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Emerald Spire is not part of the subscription line, but if Pathfinder Modules subscribers pre-order it, they will receive the PDF for free (much like how Adventure Path subscribers could get the PDF of the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition for free)—see Vic's post here.I'm not complaining, but that means that for the usual subscribers of the modules line who aren't getting Emerald Spire, there's a 9-month gap between two releases in the subscription, right?
That's what it appears to be.
Sorry, Matt, but your proposed point of view looks like to me like the module line got short shrift. Sure am glad the Kickstarter folks got a free module, though /-:
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If you've been following the Modules line for long, you may note that it has been months behind schedule for a really, really long time. Switching from smaller bimonthly books to larger quarterly books did not solve that problem (nor was it meant to; it's actually an *increase* in the number of pages per year). It's been clear to us that getting back on track was going to necessitate skipping a release window at some point, and when we decided to do the extra-large Emerald Spire module, that provided an opportune time in our schedule to do that.
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There's a misunderstanding by a lot of people that what your money goes to in Kickstarter has to pay for producing the reward you receive, which isn't helped by the misconception that it's some kind of preordering system.
Correct (on that, as well as pretty much everything else in your post).
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Fair. Like I said, I will get behind any plan that catches you up on production and keeps you from falling behind again. But I think the things I said are going to be pretty tame compared to what some others may say. We rabble tend to rouse easily.
If you've been following the Modules line for long, you may note that it has been months behind schedule for a really, really long time. Switching from smaller bimonthly books to larger quarterly books did not solve that problem (nor was it meant to; it's actually an *increase* in the number of pages per year). It's been clear to us that getting back on track was going to necessitate skipping a release window at some point, and when we decided to do the extra-large Emerald Spire module, that provided an opportune time in our schedule to do that.
Ah, I see. Thanks. Can I ask when (roughly) you'd expect the next, non-Emerald Spire module to be released? Just to calibrate my expectations somewhat.
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Fair. Like I said, I will get behind any plan that catches you up on production and keeps you from falling behind again. But I think the things I said are going to be pretty tame compared to what some others may say. We rabble tend to rouse easily.
Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed by this. The *only* reason I gave any money to the kickstarter was to get Emerald Spire because I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that it wouldn't be otherwise available. Now I find out that as long as I preorder, I'd get the hard and soft copies just like with RotRL-AE. It appears I've wasted money buying into the kickstarter.
-Skeld
Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed by this. The *only* reason I gave any money to the kickstarter was to get Emerald Spire because I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that it wouldn't be otherwise available.
To be fair, no such claim was ever made during the kickststarter. In fact, Emerald Spire would have been the only reason that I backed as well, but I didn't bother because I knew I'd be able to get it through Paizo after its release.
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To be fair, no such claim was ever made during the kickststarter. In fact, Emerald Spire would have been the only reason that I backed as well, but I didn't bother because I knew I'd be able to get it through Paizo after its release.
Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed by this. The *only* reason I gave any money to the kickstarter was to get Emerald Spire because I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that it wouldn't be otherwise available.
Yeah, oh well. I'll take my PDF when it comes out and probably not bother with the print copy. That's what I ended up doing with Thornkeep.
-Skeld
I'm in the same boat as Skeld on this one... Ah well, such is life...
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I know it has been long enough for folks to forget details—I know I'd forgotten some of them!—but we were very clear from day 1 of the Emerald Spire's announcement that Kickstarter backers would be getting "an exclusive cover available only to Kickstarter backers", which obviously means that a non-Kickstarter cover would be available. We didn't specifically talk about the non-Kickstarter edition *on* Kickstarter (since that would be off-topic), but we certainly told anyone who asked that the non-exclusive version would be available at retail and at paizo.com. See here and here for just a couple of the places we said that.)
Slightly off topic, but I did the Kickstarter with the $100 dollar addon. So does that give me the Emerald Spire hard copy or only the PDF?
The $100 *pledge level* didn't include the hardcover, but the $100 *RPG Print Pack Add-On* added the printed hardcover with the Kickstarter-exclusive cover, a print copy of the Emerald Spire Dungeons Flip-Mat Multi-Pack; a print edition of the Pathfinder Tales novel The Crusader Road; printed Emerald Spire Campaign Cards, and 2 Reaper metal miniatures.
If you need a refresher on the Kickstarter offerings, you can find the page here. And if you have other questions about your pledge, contact customer.service@paizo.com.
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Fair. Like I said, I will get behind any plan that catches you up on production and keeps you from falling behind again. But I think the things I said are going to be pretty tame compared to what some others may say. We rabble tend to rouse easily.Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed by this. The *only* reason I gave any money to the kickstarter was to get Emerald Spire because I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that it wouldn't be otherwise available. Now I find out that as long as I preorder, I'd get the hard and soft copies just like with RotRL-AE. It appears I've wasted money buying into the kickstarter.
-Skeld
In addition to the fact that you're getting the exclusive Wayne Reynolds cover, the value proposition for the Emerald Spire module and (especially) the Flip-Mat Multi-Pack will be much better for backers than for people buying them at retail price. We'll be announcing those retail prices in about a month, and I think you're going to be very glad you backed the Kickstarter. The RPG Print Pack Add-On in particular was an *amazing* deal.
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I seem to remember that there was going to be a fulfillment tool where you could add on things like that. Is that over with?
The tool is here. If you used the same email address for your Kickstarter registration and your paizo.com registration, just click the link and go. If you used a different address, then a few months ago, we sent a special code to the email address tied to your Kickstarter account that you'll enter into the fulfillment tool. If you don't have that code, contact customer.service@paizo.com.
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In addition to the fact that you're getting the exclusive Wayne Reynolds cover, the value proposition for the Emerald Spire module and (especially) the Flip-Mat Multi-Pack will be much better for backers than for people buying them at retail price. We'll be announcing those retail prices in about a month, and I think you're going to be very glad you backed the Kickstarter. The RPG Print Pack Add-On in particular was an *amazing* deal.Fair. Like I said, I will get behind any plan that catches you up on production and keeps you from falling behind again. But I think the things I said are going to be pretty tame compared to what some others may say. We rabble tend to rouse easily.Yeah, I'm kind of annoyed by this. The *only* reason I gave any money to the kickstarter was to get Emerald Spire because I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that it wouldn't be otherwise available. Now I find out that as long as I preorder, I'd get the hard and soft copies just like with RotRL-AE. It appears I've wasted money buying into the kickstarter.
-Skeld
I'm sure it's wonderful deal. My disappointment is my own fault for not taking time to understanding what I was buying into.
I pledged $15 to the Kickstarter solely to get the PDF. When the hardcopy comes out, I'll buy it off Amazon or something. There's no way I was going to fork over $100+ when all I wanted was a hardcopy/PDF of Emerald Spire.
-Skeld
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Skeld,
I can see that your particular case—a Modules subscriber who pledged exactly $15, who did not buy any of the add-ons, and who also expected to buy the hardcover from us directly—isn't going to get much value for that $15. (Fortunately, that's not a common case!)
I will tell you that adding the $100 RPG Print Pack through the pledge manager gets you about $150 in value, so unless you just really don't want anything but the Emerald Spire book itself, it's a worthwhile upgrade.
If you really have no interest in that, PM me and I'll see what I can do for you.
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Skeld,
I can see that your particular case—a Modules subscriber who pledged exactly $15, who did not buy any of the add-ons, and who also expected to buy the hardcover from us directly—isn't going to get much value for that $15. (Fortunately, that's not a common case!)
I will tell you that adding the $100 RPG Print Pack through the pledge manager gets you about $150 in value, so unless you just really don't want anything but the Emerald Spire book itself, it's a worthwhile upgrade.
If you really have no interest in that, PM me and I'll see what I can do for you.
Thanks Vic. I think I know what I'm going to do to make the most of it! I think I've just sort of fallen into a strange corner-case.
I appreciate your time.
-Skeld
Looks like we're both sitting in that corner Skeld. I only pledged $15, am a modules subscriber and was going to pick the book up later since I don't really use maps or anything... I'm still considering adding the print pack, is there a time limit on that? I guess it depends on what the price of just the book will be combined with shipping and how that compares to the add-on print pack.
Where could one go about pre-ordering the Emerald Spire Module? Can't seem to find it on the site (and I'm sure to forget about it between now and the release date)
Where could one go about pre-ordering the Emerald Spire Module? Can't seem to find it on the site (and I'm sure to forget about it between now and the release date)
We haven't released solicitation information for it yet—try back next month. :D