Are Goblins PFS legal to play as characters?


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I have no doubt that this seems like a dumb question to some, but in my searches I'm getting some conflicting, confusing information.

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There are a handful of boons out there that let people play Goblins in PFS, but there were only a couple dozen ever printed, and there are no plans to print any more.

So yes, they are legal. But no, you're not going to get to play one.*

*Except for the "We Be Goblins" modules.


RainyDayNinja wrote:

There are a handful of boons out there that let people play Goblins in PFS, but there were only a couple dozen ever printed, and there are no plans to print any more.

So yes, they are legal. But no, you're not going to get to play one.*

AaAaAaAaAaAaaaaaaarRRrrrrGGHHH!!!!


And half of the current ones are dead, apparently.

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Cheapy wrote:
And half of the current ones are dead, apparently.

That's sad. I'd like to see the obituaries of the dead ones, and the resumes of the living ones.

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Who die?

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Beyond Kyle's with the strange ability to live, what other goblins are still running around?

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Wiggz wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:

There are a handful of boons out there that let people play Goblins in PFS, but there were only a couple dozen ever printed, and there are no plans to print any more.

So yes, they are legal. But no, you're not going to get to play one.*

AaAaAaAaAaAaaaaaaarRRrrrrGGHHH!!!!

Amen. Goblins rock.

Not that I feel they should be allowed without boons - I just want one of the damn boons.


The Morphling wrote:
Wiggz wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:

There are a handful of boons out there that let people play Goblins in PFS, but there were only a couple dozen ever printed, and there are no plans to print any more.

So yes, they are legal. But no, you're not going to get to play one.*

AaAaAaAaAaAaaaaaaarRRrrrrGGHHH!!!!

Amen. Goblins rock.

Not that I feel they should be allowed without boons - I just want one of the damn boons.

Yeah, I have this goblin build I would kill to be able to play in PFS...

...of course, there would actually have to BE a PFS group within a 100 mile radius for me to do it anyway. *grumble*

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Wiggz wrote:
...of course, there would actually have to BE a PFS group within a 100 mile radius for me to do it anyway. *grumble*

*cough cough online cough*

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Hermes Longtooth, 7th level Arcane Trickster is still among the living.

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I'd kill to be able to get to run a goblin alchemist in PFS. Their obsession with fire and the fact that their population is only held in check by how many blow themselves up annually = yep, perfect alchemist.


The Beard wrote:
I'd kill to be able to get to run a goblin alchemist in PFS. Their obsession with fire and the fact that their population is only held in check by how many blow themselves up annually = yep, perfect alchemist.

Play an intoxicated one with 7 charisma! That's fun too. Probably the same life expectancy, right?

Yeah, goblins are kept to a pretty small minimum as far as I know. Luckily there are plenty of online and home games, so hopefully you can find what you want.

3/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16

You could play The Dragon's Demand or any sanctioned AP in "campaign mode," which would let you play a Goblin character and still get PFS credit for it. Or, you know, just play a home game.

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I think my favorite goblin incidents are in a scenario I GMed for some people online.

Spoiler:
They try to drink alchemist fires in Frostfur Captives. >_> It's great. Actually come to think of it, they don't try to DRINK them. They swallow'em whole, vial and all.

I'd say goblins are one of the most fun races to control from behind the screen out of them all. Lets you inject some humor without breaking anyone's immersion or whatever they call it.

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RainyDayNinja wrote:
You could play The Dragon's Demand or any sanctioned AP in "campaign mode," which would let you play a Goblin character and still get PFS credit for it. Or, you know, just play a home game.

Wait, how does that work?


I'm desperate to play a Goblin Gunslinger (with a Blunderbuss). "This is my BOOM stick!"


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The Morphling wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:
You could play The Dragon's Demand or any sanctioned AP in "campaign mode," which would let you play a Goblin character and still get PFS credit for it. Or, you know, just play a home game.
Wait, how does that work?

I think what RDN is recommending is that since Dragon's Demand has a Chronicle sheet, you could play a Goblin in it & get PFS 'credit' for an actual PFS character...

But I could be wrong.

Grand Lodge 2/5 RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Indeed, if a group plays through Dragon's Demand (even with piles of houserules), then at the end everyone gets a small stack of chronicle sheets that they can apply to an unrelated PFS PC.

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Jiggy wrote:
Indeed, if a group plays through Dragon's Demand (even with piles of houserules), then at the end everyone gets a small stack of chronicle sheets that they can apply to an unrelated PFS PC.

Wow, that sounds awesome.

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Well, make sure you verify for yourself in the Guide, rather than taking my word for it. But I'm pretty sure that's how it works. :)

Alternatively, there are certain chunks that you can play as an actual, full-fledged PFS session with PFS PCs, but that doesn't help the "I want to play a goblin" issue.

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The Morphling wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Indeed, if a group plays through Dragon's Demand (even with piles of houserules), then at the end everyone gets a small stack of chronicle sheets that they can apply to an unrelated PFS PC.
Wow, that sounds awesome.

We actually started just this yesterday. I am running the following lot though DD Homegame Mode:

Ifrit Swasbuckler
Undine Warpriest
Small Tiefling Investigator
Half-Orc Bloodrager

I let them play a lot of the ARG races, but this is what they decided on.

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To the best of my knowledge you get chronicles as you complete the sanctioned portions, although when my home group will get around to part 3 of RoRL, I have no idea...

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Todd Morgan wrote:
Hermes Longtooth, 7th level Arcane Trickster is still among the living.

Play it yet?

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Todd Morgan wrote:
Hermes Longtooth, 7th level Arcane Trickster is still among the living.
Play it yet?

I remember playing "You Have What You Hold" with Mr. Longtooth, but he appeared to look like a gnome. Apparently, Mr. Longtooth was a little afraid of the repercussions of being a goblin. He did an excellent job of not chopping my horse, though, so he's a very civilized scamp.

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David_Bross wrote:
To the best of my knowledge you get chronicles as you complete the sanctioned portions, although when my home group will get around to part 3 of RoRL, I have no idea...

The chronicles for the home game/campaign mode version of The Dragon's Demand are handed out a bit differently from how they are given out for a home game/campaign mode run AP.

Players (and presumably the GM) do not receive their chronicles for The Dragon's Demand until they complete it, at which point, if they apply all the chronicles to a single PC, they get not just the 3 chronicles for the sanctioned portions of the module, but a bonus chronicle for having played it in campaign mode.

PFS segments: Tier 1-3, 3-5, and 5-7.
Bonus chronicle: 2, 4, or 6

I am running it as home game, but, for the most part, my PCs are fairly tame. Heck, we only just added a combat animal, when the Trapper Ranger reached 4th level. This level, his small leopard AC is mainly just cute. Next level, if he takes Nature's Bond, I think it is called, it stops being cute, and may stop being small.

I am also going to be playing in a game, starting next month, but not all the players have announced their PCs yet, but the GM has set some limitations on it that will tend to keep the PCs more-or-less vanilla. Right now, it looks like I am going to be running a Human Celestial bloodline Sorcerer.

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Mason Whitlark wrote:
Beyond Kyle's with the strange ability to live, what other goblins are still running around?

I know I ran for a goblin bard at Gencon and didn't manage to kill him (not from lack of trying though - that middle encounter in Feast of Sigils is pretty scary!)

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James McTeague wrote:
Mason Whitlark wrote:
Beyond Kyle's with the strange ability to live, what other goblins are still running around?
I know I ran for a goblin bard at Gencon and didn't manage to kill him (not from lack of trying though - that middle encounter in Feast of Sigils is pretty scary!)

I know of at least one Goblin in Houston that exists only as a stack of GM credit and it therefore still alive.

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There are 3 goblins in San Diego and as far as I know only one has seen play and that one has only been played a few times.

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Playing The Dragon's Demand (or any sanctioned module or AP, as it was explained to me last week by my 'local' Venture Captain is that campaign mode is a way for folks playing the game outside of PFS to get credit for it. Provided you play or run through the sanctioned sections you get a chronicle sheet that you can apply to any PFS character of appropriate level. With DD if you play or run the entire thing you get a fourth chronicle sheet.

When they say 'campaign mode' they mean any normal home game played however you normally play home games. The restriction on PFS characters that receive the chronicle sheets are the same that apply to any PFS character. So playing in DD doesn't let you play a goblin in sanctioned play without one of the few boons out there. If the GM allows it, you can play one in the home game, but that's up to the GM as usual.

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GM credit on goblin PCs makes me sad.

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Kyle Baird wrote:
GM credit on goblin PCs makes me sad.

Same here. Get out there and do something with that goblin. Nothing ventured nothing eaten!

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I can understand 3 xp of dm credit. Dying at first on such a rarity would be pretty awful.

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Joshua Goudreau wrote:

Playing The Dragon's Demand (or any sanctioned module or AP, as it was explained to me last week by my 'local' Venture Captain is that campaign mode is a way for folks playing the game outside of PFS to get credit for it. Provided you play or run through the sanctioned sections you get a chronicle sheet that you can apply to any PFS character of appropriate level. With DD if you play or run the entire thing you get a fourth chronicle sheet.

When they say 'campaign mode' they mean any normal home game played however you normally play home games. The restriction on PFS characters that receive the chronicle sheets are the same that apply to any PFS character. So playing in DD doesn't let you play a goblin in sanctioned play without one of the few boons out there. If the GM allows it, you can play one in the home game, but that's up to the GM as usual.

This is all correct. The only (minor) difference between DD and sanctioned APs is that for APs you get a chronicle sheet after every book's sanctioned portion, while for DD you get all 4 sheets after you complete the whole book in campaign mode.

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El Baron de los Banditos wrote:
I can understand 3 xp of dm credit. Dying at first on such a rarity would be pretty awful.

Awfully hilarious! No goblin should be scared of dying.

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Wiggz wrote:
The Morphling wrote:
Wiggz wrote:
RainyDayNinja wrote:

There are a handful of boons out there that let people play Goblins in PFS, but there were only a couple dozen ever printed, and there are no plans to print any more.

So yes, they are legal. But no, you're not going to get to play one.*

AaAaAaAaAaAaaaaaaarRRrrrrGGHHH!!!!

Amen. Goblins rock.

Not that I feel they should be allowed without boons - I just want one of the damn boons.

Yeah, I have this goblin build I would kill to be able to play in PFS...

...of course, there would actually have to BE a PFS group within a 100 mile radius for me to do it anyway. *grumble*

Ya know, PFS is kind of a grassroots thing. If you want a group and there isn't one you can form your own. :) Just set up a date and time and put it out there on meetup, facebook, the event page here on paizo.com, etc. and see who shows up.

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Kyle Baird wrote:
Todd Morgan wrote:
Hermes Longtooth, 7th level Arcane Trickster is still among the living.
Play it yet?

Yep. Midnight Mirror with primarily a Rogue was not a fun time. I ran, opened doors and provided commentary. That was about it :P

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The two goblins around here are still alive and shooting.

Dont remember the names, but one is a gunslinger and the other is a alchemist with rocket bombs. I think they're around 5th level.

Edit: I had the plreasure of GMing the first session for those characters, which was We Be Goblins!, appropriately enough. The alchemist has also played through We Be Goblins, Too! and was crowned chieftain. :P

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Can't wait for Winter War. Wonder if we can get a goblin table...

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If there's a goblin table, I'm GMing it and killing ALL the goblins muahahahaha


Bob Jonquet wrote:
If there's a goblin table, I'm GMing it and killing ALL the goblins muahahahaha

Is that legal? I think they're an endangered species.

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I'm trying to picture an all-goblin team on "Dalsine Affair".

GM (in character as the Venture Captain): "Oh, no! It's the city guards. Quickly! You must flee down the tunnels."
Players: [look at one another] "Ha Ha Haah! You make funny." "We be goblins. They be Taldans!" "Taldans taste like chicken!" "Old, chicken! Past prime!"

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All this talk about goblins makes me want to run We Be Goblins. That race is made of so much win.

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I have very fond memories of Goblins. I haven't had a chance to play "We be Goblins" as of yet, but I look forward to it. I did however play in a Goblins campaign loosely based off the "Goblin's" online comic series... it was fantastic playing a two-handed fighter/barbarian goblin running around with a dogslicer and horsechopper. So much fun!

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I imagine a goblin gunslinger using a medium sized blunderbuss would also be quite amusing. If I ever did that in a home game, I'd probably request from the DM that I be allowed to make unwanted five foots backwards due to being pushed. 'Cause that's a big gun in the hands of a little fella.

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If you want an additional opportunity to play a goblin, come to Winter War in January. We will be offering the Goblin Attack! "delves" from GenCon and one of them will be run as a reverse dungeon where the players run the goblins and the GM will run the iconic heroes! Have fun with that :-)

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
Joshua Goudreau wrote:

Playing The Dragon's Demand (or any sanctioned module or AP, as it was explained to me last week by my 'local' Venture Captain is that campaign mode is a way for folks playing the game outside of PFS to get credit for it. Provided you play or run through the sanctioned sections you get a chronicle sheet that you can apply to any PFS character of appropriate level. With DD if you play or run the entire thing you get a fourth chronicle sheet.

When they say 'campaign mode' they mean any normal home game played however you normally play home games. The restriction on PFS characters that receive the chronicle sheets are the same that apply to any PFS character. So playing in DD doesn't let you play a goblin in sanctioned play without one of the few boons out there. If the GM allows it, you can play one in the home game, but that's up to the GM as usual.

This is all correct. The only (minor) difference between DD and sanctioned APs is that for APs you get a chronicle sheet after every book's sanctioned portion, while for DD you get all 4 sheets after you complete the whole book in campaign mode.

Actually, there is one error in there, which is that it is only, currently, APs and specifically The Dragon's Demand module that it applies to. Any older module no longer has the option for campaign mode play, but must be played with a regular PFS PC or pregen.

Depending on the results of the various The Dragon's Demand games, is whether the new mode applies to all the newer 64 page modules as they get published.

So, for PFS credit:
AP as a home game - Yes
64 page modules as a home game - Yes, hopefully
32 page modules as a home game - No

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Mince Firetooth 8th lvl Ranger. I last ran him at Gen-Con for the Special. GM thought I was joking and the group laughed. I laughed too. "How much help can a goblin be??" A lot if he focuses on evil outsiders and has an axe beak mount and a hankering for demon flesh. Did you know that Vrock's Taste like chicken??

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A buddy of mine still has his goblin boon..........untouched not a credit to it from what I understand :D So I can say for sure that at least one goblin lives, but has not yet lived.

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kinevon wrote:
Any older module no longer has the option for campaign mode play, but must be played with a regular PFS PC or pregen.

I didn't realize that had changed. When I was talking to my 'local' VC we were discussing The Dragon's Demand specifically since I am running it for my Thursday group and since he was hanging out at our event I thought I would ask him to clarify how it works.

I knew APs were one campaign sheet per sanctioned section and the fourth sheet for DD is something new for the larger module format. I am kind of sad that I can;t get credit for the old modules in a home game anymore.

Also, I do air quotes when I say 'local' because he is the closest VC but he and his lodge are about a two hour drive away from where we have set up shop.

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