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There is one huge Benefit to making it out of Mithril.
Cost: 30 Gold
+10 Armor Class
+02 Max Dex Bonus
-10 Armor Check Penality
50% Arcane Spell Failure
45 Pounds
Cost:1000 Gold
+10 Armor Class
+04 Max Dex Bonus
-06 Armor Check Penality
40% Arcane Spell Failure
22.5 Pounds
Cost: 2000gold.
+11 Armor Class
+04 Max Dex Bonus
-06 Armor Check Penality
40% Arcane Spell Failure
22.5 Pounds
*Note all items made of Mithril are masterwork items and the MW cost is already in the price of the Mithril.
As far as PFS. I have NO clue. Once I found out you cant make your own magical anything I have stayed away. Sorry William. I think you have to "Unlock it" on one of the adventures to be able to buy it.
Tower shields cannot normally be made out of metal. There are some specific magic tower shields mentioned in places as being made of metal and those are exceptions to the rule.
Also, Klokk your numbers are wayyyyyyyyyyyy off. Tower shields do not provide +10 AC. A normal tower shield provides +4 AC. Mithril would increase the max dex bonus allowed by the shield and reduce the armor check and arcane spell failure chance. However, you still can't make it out of mithral because the amount of metal on a tower shield is so small that it yields no tangible benefits.
No offense intended, but OP please do not use the information from Klokk here because it is plainly incorrect.
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I was off on the AC, for that I apologize. I copied the info from my magical +5 Mithril tower shield with all bonuses applied.
But yes you can make a tower shield out of Mithril.
How the hell do you think a magical tower shield such the Force tower shield it made? Seriously? You forge the whole thing out of Mithril, not one piece of oak or wood on it. It is a 100% metallic tower shield then. with the weight of Mithril being half the weight of the oak version.
1030g for the Mithril Tower Shield MW cost included
Create Magical Armors/Armor Feat
+1 for the +1 AC
+3 for the Ghost Touch Special Ability
+2 for the Arrow Deflection Special Ability
+6 Total 37030 GP on the Market.
17515 Gold to make. (half market)
Assuming you have access to the spells
Which IS vary strange considering that the item itself is listed as costing 23530g to make. Something is vary off in the initial forumal for the shield per Here on the SRD
Just because Claxon does not like it does not mean its possible.
Again maybe hes just talking about PFS cuz you cant craft or make your own magic stuff there.
BUT by RAW it is possible to make a Mithril or Mithral Tower Shield.
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The how was it physically created?
It can not have separate rules unless it is an artifact or something of that power. all other magical items have to be created following raw.. or what the heck is the point of even having any rules.
Please site the specific "own rules attached" you speak of BloodyManticore. If that can be done.
As I showed the same item can be created by raw magic item creation rules for cheeper. So why would someone with the feat craft magical armor/arms not do it as I showed above.
If it has its own rules for creation as you propose, it stands to reason that there are specific rules for creating the Masterwork Tower Shield of Mithril/Mithral for which to enchant to make the Force Tower Shield in the first place.
Only reference sited is the Ultimate equipment Guide.
FORCE TOWER
PRICE: 46,030 GP
AURA moderate evocation CL 7th WEIGHT 22 lbs.
This +1 arrow deflection ghost touch mithral tower shield glows
with a perpetual bluish radiance. Infused with magical force, a
force tower renders its wielder immune to magic missiles and
also allows its wielder to use its arrow deflection special ability
to deflect magical rays and ranged touch attacks. The Reflex
save DC to deflect such attacks is equal to 20 + the level of
the spell (or 1/2 the class level or Hit Dice of the creature that
created the effect, if a supernatural effect). If a spell or effect
creates multiple rays or attacks, the force tower deflects only
one of them per round.
CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS COST 23,530 GP
Craft Magic Arms and Armor, etherealness, resilient sphere,
shield
I have gone through the entire UE book and not found a single reference to this item having its own custom rules. So This not so humble smith has to insist that is 100% your interposition of things.
By RAW There has to be a way to create a MW Mithril Tower shield.
It simply has to be allowed to be made. No exceptions to the following.
To create magic armor, a character needs a heat source and some iron, wood, or leatherworking tools. He also needs a supply of materials, the most obvious being the armor or the pieces of the armor to be assembled. Armor to be made into magic armor must be masterwork armor, and the masterwork cost is added to the base price to determine final market value.
The issue is the Cost difference between what I created in the post above, and this exact same item here priced with a 9000 GP price difference.
Speculation: the +9000 GP Market Value is for the extra Mithril cost for weight of metal or the trickiness of forging a Tower Shield out of Mithril.
Edit:
Mithral is a rare, silvery metal that is lighter than steel but just as hard. When worked like steel, it can be used to create amazing armor, and is occasionally used for other items as well.
Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor’s check penalty on all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving.
Spell failure chances forarmors and shields made from mithral are decreased by 10%,maximum Dexterity bonuses are increased by 2, and armor
check penalties are decreased by 3 (to a minimum of 0).An item made from mithral weighs half as much as the same item made from other metals.
In the case of weapons, this lighter weight does not change a weapon’s size category or the ease with which it can be wielded (whether it is light, one-handed, or two-handed).
Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a
quarterstaff cannot.)
Mithral weapons count as silver for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Weapons and armors fashioned from mithral are always masterwork items as well; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given below.
Mithral has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 15.
TYPE OF MITHRAL ITEM ITEM PRICE MODIFIER
Light armor +1,000 gp
Medium armor +4,000 gp
Heavy armor +9,000 gp
Shield +1,500 gp
Other items +500 gp/lb.
There is nothing anywhere that says you can not forge an entire tower shield out of Mithral or an entire staff.
As I read it. To make something out of a metal that isn't normally made that way you simply have to pay the Weight cost for other items.
So 22# of mithral for the shield would cost 11,000 Market Value.
So even counting in that additional factor there is still a difference of 3000 gold.
So the difference in cost of 9000 gold can not just be from the weight of the mithral.
Klokk has a point. Just because an item isn't normally made of metal doesn't it CAN'T be made that way. I've read of a Mithal Staff and Glassteel Morningstars. Granted they were magical, but there's no reason someone couldn't make such items as simple masterwork items. They had to be crafted as masterwork items before they were enchanted, after all. Why not just stop there?
And an Angelskin sword? Really? I know you were using it because you thought one ridiculous example deserved another, but Klokk's example wasn't ridiculous, while a leather longsword is. The idea of a Mithral staff might not be PFS legal, but there's nothing inherantly wrong with it.
Klokk you quoted the rules that explains why you can't make a tower shield out of mithral. Sure, a GM could allow it. A GM can allow whatever the heck he wants. Thats not the point here, the point is what are the normal set of rules as defined by the system.
Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a quarterstaff cannot.)
Shield, Tower: This massive wooden shield is nearly as tall as you are. In most situations, it provides the indicated shield bonus to your AC. As a standard action, however, you can use a tower shield to grant you total cover until the beginning of your next turn. When using a tower shield in this way, you must choose one edge of your space. That edge is treated as a solid wall for attacks targeting you only. You gain total cover for attacks that pass through this edge and no cover for attacks that do not pass through this edge (see Combat). The shield does not, however, provide cover against targeted spells; a spellcaster can cast a spell on you by targeting the shield you are holding. You cannot bash with a tower shield, nor can you use your shield hand for anything else.
When employing a tower shield in combat, you take a –2 penalty on attack rolls because of the shield's encumbrance.
The "tower shields are wooden" argument has some gaping flaws in it.
If this were the Rules forum, it might hold some weight because there's nothing official, but this is the General forum. RAW doesn't rule here.
How about we just agree that there are no official stats, besides what can be extrapolated from the description of Mithril and the Force Tower shield, and that everything else you'll have to ask your GM for?
In a game that's supposed to be all about imagination, there sure are a lot of players who seem to want to limit what's possible. I really wonder why that is.
If this were the Rules forum, it might hold some weight because there's nothing official, but this is the General forum. RAW doesn't rule here.
He is asking about PFS, so doesn't it pretty much have to be RAW?
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Personally, I'm a big fan of rules.
If OP is asking about PFS then they need to take the question to that forum, or to the Rules forum.
Here in General, we're going to try to come up with a decent way to make the idea work, not tell someone that they can't.
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Your off on what you think my logic is.
Mithril can be used to make a shield. You may not agree with it, but it can be at the cost of 1000gp, including MW. If one can forge a huge intricate greatsword or chain why cant you make a simple bar of metal(ie staff) or a simple flat piece of metal.. that's all a TS really is.
Item Price Modifier
Light armor +1,000 gp
Medium armor +2,000 gp
So point of fact it actually Does say you cant make an Angelskin longsword, or shield/heavy armor for that matter.
You listed a couple other items from the specific magic.
Armor of insults, Just enchant +1 studded leather with confusion.
Banded Mail of Luck, Just enchant Bless onto +3 banded mail to get it.
They would not tell you the construction requirements if it was not possible to make it.
Force Tower shield needs a Masterwork Tower shield of Mithral to be having the spells ethrealness (for ghost touch) and resilient sphere (for arrow deflection) and Shield (for the +1ac).
Raw is clear you can not make a magical item without a masterwork version of it. I said it before and its still true, even if you don't want to believe me. I don't want some new player to be getting bunk information because you think its not possible. or don't want to admit that it is possible.
I am going to go back to this quote abut mithral
Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral
It only excludes items that PARTIALLY MADE OF MITHRAL. In the shield I posted above, created 100% raw. that tower shield is forged 100% of mithral so this exception does not effect it any more then it would for a set of mithral full plate.
Why not just add a metal version to the equipment list? Then make it mithril.