Just to add to the numbering confusion caused by the war doctor's existence Steven Moffat has apparently said, in an interview about the christmas special, that Matt Smith is actually the 13th Doctor.
I wouldn't worry about that. The veracity of Steven Moffat's interview statements rarely last the duration of the interview. He did say that Matt Smith's first series was a new Series One, not a Series Five. That statement didn't hold up at all.
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Just to add to the numbering confusion caused by the war doctor's existence Steven Moffat has apparently said, in an interview about the christmas special, that Matt Smith is actually the 13th Doctor.
And another interview apparently reports that Moffatt confirms he is the 11th Doctor.
I think what is being said is that Matt Smith's Doctor is the 11th incarnation that calls himself "The Doctor" (Hurt's War Doctor never referred to himself as The Doctor) but that he has used up his 12 regenerations:
Regeneration 1 - 1st Doctor to 2nd Doctor
Regeneration 2 - 2nd Doctor to 3rd Doctor
Regeneration 3 - 3rd Doctor to 4th Doctor
Regeneration 4 - 4th Doctor to 5th Doctor
Regeneration 5 - 5th Doctor to 6th Doctor
Regeneration 6 - 6th Doctor to 7th Doctor
Regeneration 7 - 7th Doctor to 8th Doctor
Regeneration 8 - 8th Doctor to War Doctor
Regeneration 9 - War Doctor to 9th Doctor
Regeneration 10 - 9th Doctor to 10th Doctor
Regeneration 11 - 10th Doctor to 10th Doctor*
Regeneration 12 - 10th Doctor to 11th Doctor
*The regeneration was triggered and saved the 10th Doctor from Dalek death , but he didn't change form because he was able to siphon off the regeneration energy into his severed hand.
Can someone explain why it is that the last 2 DR's seem to have been some of the youngest and yet i have heard rumors that the show seems to take a lot of of them. Is it me or are the seasons shorter and the breaks longer.
If they do a Dr Who movie or a multi Dr episode i hope Mccann gets consideration
Smith was the youngest to date, but IIRC Tennant was older than Davision and just a bit younger than McGann when they did it, so not such a huge difference.
The show films over 9-10 months of the year and the Doctor is in the majority of the scenes, so yes, it's a very demanding job, easily the most demanding job on British television. It's rewarding but all-consuming and it does take a lot out of the actors. To be honest, there's no real need for it to take this long; an American network show filming 14 45-minute episodes would do it in about 4 months. Even a cable channel would get it down to 7-8 months. The reason why it takes so long has never really been satisfactorily explained by the BBC or the production team.
However, the reason why the last season was split over two years years (running from the Christmas special in 2011 to this year's Christmas special) is apparently more to do with how the budgets are arranged. Doing it his way meant they could save money on earlier episodes to put more resources into the 50th anniversary special. Also, Steven Moffat's apparently been quite late with his scripts, resulting in delays and split seasons to help make things work better. Apparently Smith decided to leave a year early because of the unpredictability of production, which is a long way from the reliable-as-clockwork approach of the Russell T. Davies years.
an American network show filming 14 45-minute episodes would do it in about 4 months. Even a cable channel would get it down to 7-8 months. The reason why it takes so long has never really been satisfactorily explained by the BBC or the production team.
I think a lot of it comes down to differences between the UK and the US with show seasons, historically. Over here we've tended towards 6 episodes a season (something I've always hated) in the past for many shows (admittedly Doctor Who wasn't one of them, but those production crews from the 70s and 80s are presumably at least semi-retired by now), while the US have historically tooled up for something closer to 20-24. I think we've only relatively recently started pushing for 12-14 in order to meet the demands of a US half-season in order to be able to market shows to that audience. We're simply not used to pushing things out at that kind of speed for much other than thrice-weekly soaps :)
I'm assuming as time goes on we'll get better at it, and hopefully learn a few things on the production side from the US.
Tom Baker was sort of Dr Who for the rest of his life. I don't think his career really escaped from it. I think the actors for the new doctors don't want to risk having it overshadow the rest of their careers.
Well, so far they don't seem to have escaped that risk very well.
Notable exception: Peter Davison
Anyone else watched An adventure in time in Space. Was excellent and it gave me a gretaer appeciation for the show
Anyone else watched An adventure in time in Space. Was excellent and it gave me a gretaer appeciation for the show
I did and enjoyed it quite a bit. I can't speak of course for how accurate the sets they show would have been but I found it interesting seeing how they had the TARDIS set.
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I can't speak of course for how accurate the sets they show would have been but I found it interesting seeing how they had the TARDIS set.
Pretty darn accurate. That first TARDIS interior set took up most of the tiny studio they had at the start. The main console room actually got gradually smaller over the next couple years.
Just to toss this out there in regards to how many times he can change; The answer to that the doctor gives in Sarah Jane Adventures was 507. So who knows maybe he already found his way past the 13 limit.
Well, so far they don't seem to have escaped that risk very well.
I think they have in the UK at least. David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston have been in a lot of British TV, and you don't think "Oh, it's Dr Who" when you see them. David Tennant's doing a lot of stage work too. (Eccleston might be as well, haven't heard.)
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Only Tom Baker and Colin Baker I think have had REALLY big problems getting work post-WHO. Almost all the rest of them were actually reasonably well-known before and have had no problems getting work since.
That said, THE FIVE(ISH) DOCTORS reboot is brilliant for spoofing this perception. Peter Davison even has an alter-ego character he trots out at conventions of an old actor bitter that his best-known role is decades behind him. In reality, Davison's one of the most well-known actors from the role and has rarely been out of work since he left the role.
Only Tom Baker and Colin Baker I think have had REALLY big problems getting work post-WHO. Almost all the rest of them were actually reasonably well-known before and have had no problems getting work since.
Tom Baker has a decent list of credits to his name since Doctor Who including some good regular parts in British TV shows. I'm pretty sure, as all British actors tend to bounce between film, tv, and theater far more often than American ones do, he's also had theater work keeping him busy.
Tom Baker has never stopped being Doctor Who because he believes he is the Doctor, but that's nothing to do with his getting work. ;)
Colin has a shorter list that includes a lot of direct to video stuff. Unfortunately, the BBC were working hard to kill Doctor Who while he was hired for it, and the writing during his time was often pretty bad, so unfortunately he carried a bit of stigma there. He still seems to have worked regularly however.
There was a 4-5 year period where Tom Baker couldn't get any work at all. He did all right before and after that, but there was a period when he really rued working on DOCTOR WHO and getting typecast for it, only to come around and reconsider later on.
The War Doctor didn't call himself 'Doctor' (or even 'War Doctor') because he felt he didn't deserve to be called 'Doctor'....
But what did he call himself?
He called himself his actual name, I would assume.
But what did he call himself?
Since he was fighting the Daleks, possibly the Storm or one of his other Dalek nicknames.
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But what did he call himself?He called himself his actual name, I would assume.
Mr. Stevens, Head of Catering?
I'd like to nominate Eddie Izzard to play the next incarnation of the Master.
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But what did he call himself?He called himself his actual name, I would assume.Mr. Stevens, Head of Catering?
I'd like to nominate Eddie Izzard to play the next incarnation of the Master.
Hello Doctor, it's been a while, I'd like to issue you... Death By Tray! Death for you! Death for you! And Death for you!
It wasn't really until his decision to use the Moment that he "wasn't the Doctor".
That's not quite the case. He abandons the title in 'Night of the Doctor' before he even regenerates. He even suggests a new title, 'The Warrior', though that doesn't seem to have caught on.
The Time Lord Formerly Known as the Doctor?
He could have changed his name to just this symbol.
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I actually mostly agree with Lord Snow on 10's general portrayal in Day of the Doctor, he really is having an off day even more so than the specials leading up to his regeneration and is pretty much always a step behind both John Hurt and 11. Thats Moffat's sense of superiority (see overuse of the Weeping Angels when he took over as showrunner) in that his stuff has to be better.
In the episode "End of Time Part 2", after he takes the dose of radiation, he goes off and does many things before his regeneration. One of the things he says is that he met Queen Elizabeth and got married, stating that was a mistake.
As he is suffering from radiation poisoning at this point, I think we can forgive him for being off his game.
Just now watched the episode because I had to wait for the DVD, so I appologize making comments from posts that are weeks old.
I actually mostly agree with Lord Snow on 10's general portrayal in Day of the Doctor, he really is having an off day even more so than the specials leading up to his regeneration and is pretty much always a step behind both John Hurt and 11. Thats Moffat's sense of superiority (see overuse of the Weeping Angels when he took over as showrunner) in that his stuff has to be better.In the episode "End of Time Part 2", after he takes the dose of radiation, he goes off and does many things before his regeneration. One of the things he says is that he met Queen Elizabeth and got married, stating that was a mistake.
As he is suffering from radiation poisoning at this point, I think we can forgive him for being off his game.
That's... a really interesting detail to take note of. This also means that if they really meant it to be this way, 10 is looking at 11 seeing his very near future self.
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The failed American remake (Paul McGann was brilliant) was not Dr Who on so many levels (although his radio shows and the minisode were very much the Doctor). You Yanks have a gift for taking a good TV show missing all the bits that make the show good and turning it into something less than a sum of its parts.
So what kind of man the Doctor is is very important to me.
The Paul McGann movie was made in Canada by a British National living in Canada. The movie was ruined by everthing that was put in by the BBC, including that the doctor was half-human. Do not put the failure on us Yanks.
Sounds like you thinking of Matthew Jacobs - the man who tried to weed out the crap of John Leekley (a writer for Universal, and a citizen of the United States of America) and Robert deLaurentis (also a resident of the same) and the tainted influence of part American Jean and Randy Lofficer.
Just setting the record. The TV Movie was awful, with few gems hidden in the rough. It's more a victim of the fact that so many companies and writers and other influences chewed it over (and still had some influence while it started to be made). The worst culprit is Fox TV.
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an American network show filming 14 45-minute episodes would do it in about 4 months. Even a cable channel would get it down to 7-8 months. The reason why it takes so long has never really been satisfactorily explained by the BBC or the production team.I think a lot of it comes down to differences between the UK and the US with show seasons, historically. Over here we've tended towards 6 episodes a season (something I've always hated) in the past for many shows (admittedly Doctor Who wasn't one of them, but those production crews from the 70s and 80s are presumably at least semi-retired by now), while the US have historically tooled up for something closer to 20-24. I think we've only relatively recently started pushing for 12-14 in order to meet the demands of a US half-season in order to be able to market shows to that audience. We're simply not used to pushing things out at that kind of speed for much other than thrice-weekly soaps :)
I'm assuming as time goes on we'll get better at it, and hopefully learn a few things on the production side from the US.
Doctor Who - First Season 1963-1964
1 An Unearthly Child/100,000 BC
(4 episodes)
2 The Daleks
(7 episodes)
3 The Edge of Destruction
(2 episodes)
4 Marco Polo
(7 episodes)
5 The Keys of Marinus
(6 episodes)
6 The Aztecs
(4 episodes)
7 The Sensorites
(6 episodes)
8 The Reign of Terror
(6 episodes)
42 total 1/2 hour episodes first season.
42 total 1/2 hour episodes first season.
Yup, as I said historically Doctor Who wasn't one of those standard UK 6 episode a year deals. Back then it was pretty much done in a single take, too (not only because of the time constraints but also because the filming itself was such a relatively expensive process) and with very little in the way of post-production.
Nowadays though it's being shot to today's standards, and with crews (and actors) that presumably aren't used to such rigorous schedules. Seems technological advancement and modernization has a lot to answer for ;)
for those who have seen the christmas special trailer is the potential villian from a previous DR? Sorry have to be vague as i cant figure out how to do spoiler tag
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A big question mark is hanging over the Silents. They're clearly in it, but according to some spoilers they are actually defending Trenzalore alongside the Doctor. Basically, whatever the Doctor does in this episode is what causes the Silents to fear him and they retrospectively go back in time to try to destroy him.
The big villains are clearly the Daleks and Cybermen.
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Wake me up when an overused Doctor Who monster isn't on...
The Doctor's regeneration shouldn't be overshadowed by introducing a new monster race...
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It would be a but weak if after defeating the Daleks, Cybermen, Weeping Angels etc multiple times, the Doctor was taken out by a previously unknown "monster".
The Doctor's regeneration shouldn't be overshadowed by introducing a new monster race...
Well, the First Doctor's regeneration story introduced the Cybermen and the Second Doctor's the Time Lords, so they both worked out well ;-)
Even the Third Doctor's regeneration enemies, the Giant Spiders, have been referred to a bit (quite recently, with the blue crystals from Metebelis III showing up last year) even if they haven't shown up again.
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The Doctor's regeneration shouldn't be overshadowed by introducing a new monster race...
The Doctor has defeated the Cybermen and Daleks so many times, he knows how to defeat them. While they may suprise him, they still come out the loser in their encounters.
I could totally see a new enemy that he has no idea what to do about them causing a regeneration.Here are The Doctor's regeneration.
First Doctor - Tired body regenerates after defeating Cyberman for first time.
Second Doctor - Forced regeneration by Time Lords when he couldn't defeat the War Lords and called on them for help.
Third Doctor - Regenerated after Psychic duel with Spider Queen on Metabelis III caused damage to his body.
Fourth Doctor - Regenerated after he fell off a SETI tower while battling The Master.
Fifth Doctor - Regenerated after being exposed to spectrox poison.
Sixth Doctor - Regenerated after The Rani fired an unknown ray at the TARDIS.
Seventh Doctor - Shot by a gang, and killed by a heart probe used by Dr Grace Holloway. Regenerated in the morgue.
Eighth Doctor - Died when a spaceship crashed on the planet Karn. Revived by the Sisterhood. Drank a potion prepared by the Sisterhood to jumpstart his regeneration.
War Doctor - Tired body regeneration after a long fight against the Daleks during the Time War.
Ninth Doctor - Absorbed the Time Vortex energy that was killing Rose Tyler. His body was unable to contain it and regenerated.
Tenth Doctor - After defeating the Master and Rasilon he saves Wilf by stepping into a control room that is about to be filled with radiation. He absorbs the radiation into his body. He is able to do several things before his dying body regenerates.
Eleventh Doctor - ???
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The bad guys uniting to take out the Doctor would be a lot more awesome if we hadn't already seen it in the Pandorica episodes.
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The Doctor has defeated the Cybermen and Daleks so many times, he knows how to defeat them. While they may suprise him, they still come out the loser in their encounters.
I can actually see the Doctor being deleted from the Dalek database being a massive disadvantage for him. In the past, the Daleks have refrained from instantly killing him in order to find out why the Doctor was there. Now they don't know him from the average Joe that they exterminate upon sight.
The Doctor's regeneration shouldn't be overshadowed by introducing a new monster race...The Doctor has defeated the Cybermen and Daleks so many times, he knows how to defeat them. While they may suprise him, they still come out the loser in their encounters.
I could totally see a new enemy that he has no idea what to do about them causing a regeneration.
Exactly.
Plus recurring monsters are actually more likely to draw press and attention than a new one.
Nice list, Charles. Where did you get the info for the 8th Doctor's Regeneration?
Nice list, Charles. Where did you get the info for the 8th Doctor's Regeneration?
He got it from Night of the Doctor, a mini episode released by the BBC as a prelude to the anniversary special.
A while back, I came up with a theory that the Doctor always regenerates into the form of someone he's met. This would explain the resemblance between the sixth Doctor and Commander Maxil, and between the 12th Doctor and Caecilius.I'm sticking with the theory that in most cases, the Doctor's appearance is shaped by his changing personality. Seven's beady eyes perfectly fit the Machiavellian manipulator he was. Probably more so than any other incarnation. Four was the giddy mythic demi-god who towered over lesser mortals, and Three was the combination gentleman adventurer and action hero.
These two theories are entirely compatible!
Good but not great episode. Didn't like the begining but loved the ending.