I feel like any card that ends up in the discard pile for any reason, has been "discarded". Therefore if happens to be an ally, follow the rules on the location card.
"If you would discard an ally" means "if you would discard an ally," for all the possible reasons you might do this, including damage. Cards don't lose their type for purposes of damage, or Seelah's power, or anything else.
For an analogous situation, look at Valeros's power:
When you play a weapon, you may recharge it instead of discarding it.
Valeros specifically does not say:
When you discard a weapon, you may recharge it.
because his power only triggers when he uses a card for its power.
Here, however, the Farmhouse does indeed say "When you discard an ally, you must bury it." So whatever reason you have for that, do it.
Mike
The problem is that the "At this location" effect of a location isn't a power. The rulebook just tells us on page 14...
"At This Location: These are special rules that are in effect while the location is open."
What? Wait. Are we saying that "At this location" rules effect every character and not just the ones at that location?
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What? Wait. Are we saying that "At this location" rules effect every character and not just the ones at that location?The problem is that the "At this location" effect of a location isn't a power. The rulebook just tells us on page 14...
"At This Location: These are special rules that are in effect while the location is open."
No, only characters at the location. At this location effects only apply to that location.
:) people will find holes in anything!
@MCPooge
I agree with you, Lini's power says "instead of discarding", which makes me feel like 'discarding' isn't even happening when she uses her "When you play an ally with the animal trait you may recharge it instead of discarding it"
However, if she has to discard an ally with the animal trait at the farm for any other reason besides playing it, I think she would have to bury it like normal.
I see farm as this:
Lem: "I'm going to play this ally to search the location"
Farm: "Are you discarding the ally card?"
Lem: "Yes"
Farm: "Then bury the ally instead"
Lini: "I'm going to play this animal ally to search the location"
Farm: "Are you discarding the ally card?"
Lini: "No, I'm recharging it"
Farm: "Shucks."
Lini: "I'm going to discard this animal ally to add a d10 to my strength check"
Farm: "Are you discarding the ally card?"
Lini: "Yes"
Farm: "Then bury the ally instead"
I agree this makes more sense to me as well.
Check out the link MCPooge posted above, which ultimately brought him here. Mike (though unofficially) said that the Farmhouse trumps Lini because Location trumps Character. The cards conflict. Lini's says she can replace discard with recharge. The Farmhouse says replace discard with bury. The Farmhouse wins.
The problem I have with that is that my understanding of the whole "location trumps character" rule was it only comes into play when cards conflict. The rule does not say "apply any location effects before applying character effects", it just says if there's a conflict locations win. In your post you make it sound like the cards just say "replace X with Y" but it's more than that.
I'm assuming this is the rule that you're referring to -
If cards conflict with one another, then Adventure Path cards overrule adventures, adventures overrule scenarios, scenarios overrule locations, locations overrule characters, and characters overrule other card types.
(from the Golden Rule box in the rulebook)
I don't have Farmhouse in front of me but from earlier in the thread -
The Farmhouse special rules are "If you would discard an ally, bury it instead".
I don't see the conflict. Lini turns the discard into a recharge, so there is never an ally being discarded. Farmhouse has no effect.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just that from my understanding of the rule, this seems right to me.
Even if you were saying I was wrong, as long as you were polite about it I wouldn't be offended. And your post seemed polite. I've been wrong before, I'm sure I'll be wrong again.
And I think that was the argument above. The wording isn't exactly the same, so it makes you feel like Lini should be allowed to recharge her allies, because you could argue "Lini would NOT discard her animal ally when she played it, so she shouldn't have to bury it." That is where I was too before I read Mikes unofficial statement.
I have both cards in front of me
Lini: "When you play an ally with the animal trait you may recharge it instead of discarding it"
Farmhouse: "If you would discard an ally, bury it instead."
Another way to look at it is the word 'may', Lini MAY recharge it, so it's one or the other. Lini, do you want to discard this or recharge it? It doesn't make sense to me that choosing Recharge instead of Discard that the Farm would say "Well since you're discarding an ally you have to bury it."
Even if Mike says that farm should cause Lini to discard an animal ally instead of recharging it, we're going to go with "Lini is recharging (not discarding) an animal ally, so farm has no effect", since that solution makes more logical sense. (No offense, sorry Mike!)
I think it´s more a problem of not unified wording.
I think it´s something like in this post where the wording is also not unified.
A game takes time to develop and there are a lot of steps before you get to the wording. Just an example, first you think what you want, then how it should work, then if it works, then if it´s balanced and then you can slowly start to think about the wording. And it gets a lot harder the more people there are in that process.
What i want to say is, that i think the Farm has just an older version of something that should mean the same as Linis wording (minus the may, and with bury instead of recharge of course.)
If i´m correct, i think the Farm should get an FAQ, (by changing If you would dicard an ally, bury it instead to Instead of discarding an ally, bury it.)
if i´m not, just ignore my blabbering.
Oh and just to clarify, i´m playing by burying Linis ally because i see the timing like this.
Lini: play animal ally for my exploration.
Game: you have to discard your card to do that.
Lini: but i have the option to recharge it instead.
Game: ok, do that.
Lini at the Farm: play animal ally for my exploration.
Game: you have to discard your card to do that.
Farm: No, you have to bury it instead.
Lini at the Farm: but i have the option to recharge it instead.
Game: No, you don´t because your card already got buryed.
So what i mean here is, she discards her card and has then the option to recharge it instead, she doesn´t change the text on the card so that there no longer stands "discard".
I'm not going to stop you.
I'm not going to stop you.
Since I live in Redmond it wouldn't be that difficult to stop me :P
*Crosses fingers for an invite to Paizo someday* (I'll bring beer)