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I hope Paizo will please publish a Carrion Crown Adventure Path Pawn Collection. Many of the NPC's and monsters are unique to this Adventure Path and do not appear in previously published Pawn collections.
I'm going to second this request. I'm planning to run Carrion Crown and pawns would be extremely useful!
-Aaron
Actually, what I want is a COLLECTED BOOK OF CARRION CROWN, WITH A FREAKIN DISCOUNT compared to the 120 price tag it has now!!
The pawns, well maybe. If I find out that the collected book is coming, I'd consider pawns just to top it off. Might as well, while I'm getting my players to pony up their share.
Note, this will be my first Pathfinder adventure, been running 3.5, so if you guys have a decent horror series in CC, I would be more interested in running other horror adventures from you.
Yep, pawns would be great. More pawns please!!!
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I can just tell you now, there won't be a collected book for Carrion Crown.
$120 for all six volumes is a great value considering how much you receive. Seriously, you get an entire campaign written for start to finish that, if played weekly will likely take over a year to complete, for the same price as 6 brand new films on Blu-ray. Which only equates to about 12-14 hours of entertainment.
Well I generally look at it in terms of videogames purchased.
$120 is the price of two new games, which'll generally last you 100 hours at most (if it's an RPG or multiplayer title) and maybe 20 hours on average for most others.
120 is definitely not a bargain. I used to see that same amount for 50-60 bucks, back in the day. How about "Night Below", or "The Temple of Elemental Evil"? Man, I loved Night Below. I should go pick up another copy.
Back in the day a lot of things were cheaper. That's just how inflation works.
Remember, 1980 was over 30 years ago now. Gas was like $1.50 then, wasn't it?
Inflation isn't THAT fast!
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Back in the day a lot of things were cheaper. That's just how inflation works.
Remember, 1980 was over 30 years ago now. Gas was like $1.50 then, wasn't it?
Just to add to the inflation point, the production value is, in my opinion, much higher in Paizo's products than anything TSR produced back in the day. Full-color books, including expensive artwork and more intricate layout than back in the day. Add to that inflation (because inflation IS a factor and 30'ish years is a long time in that regard), an industry that evolves alongside its supporting industries (printing, distribution, etc.), and the fact that Paizo's running a more sound business than TSR did (as Gorbacz mentioned, boxed sets was one of the factors that destroyed TSR), and $120 doesn't sound that bad to me.
It's simple. We live in a different world than we did 30'ish years ago. Everything costs more. Paizo only recently raised the price of some of their product lines, which is the first time that's happened since Rise of the Runelords #1: Burnt Offerings. That tells me that Paizo's doing everything they can to keep the prices as low as possible without losing money on their products.
$120 is a lot of money, of course, but I don't think it's fair to make a 1:1 comparison between current RPG products and products published 15-30 years ago. Considering the amount of campaign material that's in the 6 books, it's $120 well spent, in my opinion.
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Inflation isn't THAT fast!
It is. According to here $60 in 1980 was about $150 by 2007, when the prices for AP issues were first set.
Compound interest moves fast, especially in the 80s/late 90s
Inflation isn't THAT fast!It is. According to here $60 in 1980 was about $150 by 2007, when the prices for AP issues were first set.
Compound interest moves fast, especially in the 80s/late 90s
First, I must say that calculator is pretty cool.
Anyway, my group is going on 2 years and we are halfway through Book 6. We play, on average, 4 times per month (only a couple hours per week though).
Perceived value is a tricky thing. I too liken it to video games or movie tickets. I know what my time is worth (based in part on my work salary), and if I am getting a couple hours of entertainment (movie at $12), 10-15 hours of entertainment (xbox game $60) or 2 years of entertainment (Carrion Crown AP, plus Rule of Fear, Undead Revisited, plastic figures, etc...$300), well that just makes a Paizo AP the best deal of all.
Inflation isn't THAT fast!It is. According to here $60 in 1980 was about $150 by 2007, when the prices for AP issues were first set.
Compound interest moves fast, especially in the 80s/late 90s
Cute, but I was FOUR YEARS OLD in 1980. I bought Night Below considerably later on in life. Again, inflation doesn't move that fast.
Cute, but I was FOUR YEARS OLD in 1980. I bought Night Below considerably later on in life. Again, inflation doesn't move that fast.Inflation isn't THAT fast!It is. According to here $60 in 1980 was about $150 by 2007, when the prices for AP issues were first set.
Compound interest moves fast, especially in the 80s/late 90s
Dude, this discussion is SO 2012.
If you want a discount, just get the AP for $87.92 on Amazon.
They will not create compilations because they don't want people to wait for them instead of buying the APs when they come out.
They did with Runelords, and I would be willing to bet money that it's the most popular adventure series yet.
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They did with Runelords for a variety of special reasons:
A) Paizo's 10th Anniversary
B) Pathfinder's 5th Anniversary.
C) Most of the individual books were out of print.
D) It was originally written for D&D 3.5, which also meant that they had converting it as a reason.
E) It was the first Pathfinder AP, tying back into the anniversaries above.
Paizo staff has said many times that this was a very special occasion, and that we likely won't see this happen again. Even if we do, it will be another 5 years, and it's likely to be one of the other 3.5 APs (likely Curse of the Crimson Throne) that gets the treatment.
Whoof. Bad news. Glad I picked up Night Below, but it's gonna take a lot of work to get it up to Pathfinder considering that it's 3.0 material. Some of the monsters, like mindflayers, aren't present in PF.
I want Carrion Crown, but I just don't have the moolah to drop 120 just to get my mitts on a physical copy, and honestly I don't trust my computer to keep pdfs considering bad experiences with malware in the past, and my internet connection. Data firewalls just don't do enough anymore.
Technically, Night Below might not be considered a full adventure path. It consists of three books. Half of the way you "leveled up" was by awarding characters XPs for gold pieces (and the module said "if you don't do this, find another way to get extra XPs to players, either with roleplaying bonuses or side-adventures).
It's a fantastic module, mind you. And I even was adapting it to Pathfinder before Reign of Winter caught my eye. (Might still adapt the rest of it to Pathfinder and submit the data to the crew that create free content adapting Paizo's APs to Hero Labs for ease of bookkeeping. Though I'd have to alter several bits significantly to compensate for the lack of Kuo-Tuan and Illithids.) But really, as an AP you'd likely see additional content and the like and the final cost WOULD be twice what the boxed set is.
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I want Carrion Crown, but I just don't have the moolah to drop 120 just to get my mitts on a physical copy, and honestly I don't trust my computer to keep pdfs considering bad experiences with malware in the past, and my internet connection. Data firewalls just don't do enough anymore.
If you purchase them from Paizo, every PDF you've ever bought is always available for re-download forever from the downloads section tied to your account, so "I'm worried I'll lose it in a catastrophic computer explosion" isn't an applicable fear in this case.
I buy the PDFs because they're less expensive, and I can read it on my computer or my phone any time. I don't know what the worry is about viruses and such...I've had this computer for 2 years now and have never had an issue with malware or viruses.
And if you're the type of person who melts their computer weekly with viruses, you could always just load them on to a thumb drive to keep as backups in case you can never get internet access again to download them for free again from the Paizo website.
Carrion Pawn me! It'll probably be too late for me by the time they come out (if they do), but there's so many monsters that I'm kind of at a loss as to what to use for a proxy. Some of them I made unique minis for (out of femo) or modifified other ones, but having pawns for the following would have been really useful:
-Brother Swarm (I know he's a Wraith, but a more unique looking one would be cool, along with swarm children
-Golem Hound
-Aberrant Promethian
-Weaverworm
-Mendorian Festrog
-Adimarius Ionacu and other Fiendish Werewolves
-About everything in Wake of the Watcher.
I haven't looked through the last two yet to see speicifically what I need, but I'm sure there's bound to be a few (I've got a good Marrowarth mini in the D+D minis Dracolich, but what about Hagmouth?)
Night Below is an AD&D supplement.
And as I mentioned earlier, you can get Carrion Crown for much less than 120$.
Concerning pawns, I would like them as well, although I'm afraid my group will have completed the AP before they are published.
Crapcakes. Oh well, too late now. I will look at amazon, but I still think 90 bucks is a bit much.
Technically, Night Below might not be considered a full adventure path. It consists of three books. Half of the way you "leveled up" was by awarding characters XPs for gold pieces (and the module said "if you don't do this, find another way to get extra XPs to players, either with roleplaying bonuses or side-adventures).
It's a fantastic module, mind you. And I even was adapting it to Pathfinder before Reign of Winter caught my eye. (Might still adapt the rest of it to Pathfinder and submit the data to the crew that create free content adapting Paizo's APs to Hero Labs for ease of bookkeeping. Though I'd have to alter several bits significantly to compensate for the lack of Kuo-Tuan and Illithids.) But really, as an AP you'd likely see additional content and the like and the final cost WOULD be twice what the boxed set is.
Then, check this thread out: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pnq4?Another-Game-design-Practice-thread#34
second, there are already fish people out there, all you need do is file off the proverbial serial numbers.
I would LOVE pawns for Carrion Crown. I'm currently running it, we're finishing up book 2, so Paizo has time to design them, make them and out them up for sale. LOL
I'll re-comment. I would buy pawns. I would be even more likely to buy paper minis.
-Aaron
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I'd love to see all the APs supported with pawns, honestly. They are such a HUGE help, and are easily worth the price.
Piccolo, if you are having trouble with the payments, you could always ask your playing group to chip in - it's kinda "fair" when you think about it - if you split the payment between everyone in the group, and say buy the PDFs, and you have 4 players... suddenly the price drops to 3$ per book, or a grand total of 18$ for the entire AP, for each person in the group. Given the number of hours of entertainment this will provide to all of you, it's well worth the price.
I'd like to add my voice to the call for pawns for this AP. So many awesome monsters in it that I really haven't been able to find good icons or minis for!
Yes I would love to see pawns for CC and as its the horror AP I think its also a solid genre to do a pawn collection for.
I'm currently finishing up CotCT with my group, and we will be starting CC sometime between Feb-Apr 2014, and I would purchase Pawns for the AP if they came out. (Side note, the AP's are worth $120)
Please, Paizo? I'll be your friend!
I know a lot of PFS people are kicking off this campaign, whether just the sanctioned sections or the full AP in campaign-mode. Pawns are a fantastic way to run this at gamestores, etc.
My spouse's home-game of this is only halfway through, so I imagine there are still plenty of needed pawns for the future (although she prefers to paint).
CC pawns, please!!
Back in the day a lot of things were cheaper. That's just how inflation works.
Remember, 1980 was over 30 years ago now. Gas was like $1.50 then, wasn't it?
Actually, average US gas prices in 1980 were $1.25/gal.
We had this conversation at my gaming table the other night: A couple of old-timers were complaining that the Core Rulebook was $50!
I pointed out that the Core Rulebook was equivalent to the AD&D PHB and DMG put together. I then pulled my copies of the 1985 re-prints of those books off my gaming bookshelf and looked at the prices printed on the back: $12.99 and $15.99 respectively.
According to the inflation calculator from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, $29 in 1985 is equivalent to $63.68 today.
In other words, gaming books are cheaper today than in the 1980s!
Plus the art is better, the paper higher quality, and the general production value is much higher.
[Edit: AND I just noticed that the quote above is from a year ago...]