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It's a nice pipe dream, but I don't expect to ever see Hasbro/WotC breaking up any of the D&D IP into discrete chunks for sale. As much as I'd like to see what Erik Mona could do in charge of Greyhawk, I just don't see it happening.
I could see Hasbro selling off specific games that used be part of the TSR umbrella like Star Frontiers, but even that would be extremely unlikely.
Star Frontiers has been licensed to a fan group for maintenance; I suspect in perpetuity.
most realistic thing I could imagine would be WOTC/HASBRO licensing companies to produce new material for specific editions. The fact that they are releasing the core rulebooks in print for past editions seems to acknowledge that they are missing part of the market by only supporting one edition at a time.
It would be great if they could license WOTC IP to third party producers to produce Pathfinder material, but I would say that is further down probability scale.
Honestly you would not be seeing it in the next few years as Hasbro sends out D&D Next, movies and whatnot and sees how they do. After that? Well, the shelving and rehabilitating is certainly an option and also part of their established playbook, but once you're looking into the future, there are other possibilities than a company remaining whole and unchanged in the "and it ever was thus, so shall it ever be" mode.
The first possibility of why Hasbro might sell an underperforming brand rather shelve it for future investment is a desperate need for cash caused by some large global economic change. Don't believe this happens? Talk to authors who had their novels tanked when Bertelsmann had to pay a huge amount of money because of German reunification and got it by slashing print runs and advertising budgets. Bertelsmann owns a number of American imprints.
The second is similar to the first but with the need for cash being a lawsuit. Consider Corning glass. Huge company. Made the plates in my cupboard. Also made leaky silicone breast implants which got them sued into bankruptcy.
The third possibility is bankruptcy due to mismanagement and changing markets. Far larger and older corporations have gone under.
The fourth is being bought up by an even larger company, likely a media conglomerate, which sees the advantage in having a giant toy division, and then decides to strip out a few parts of its investment for cash either due to sound business practices or as part of sound business practices to get cash to make up for unwise investments.
Placating the implacable idol is not going to happen, but the idol is not going to stand forever.
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What I WOULD like to see is WotC come to an arrangement with Paizo that would allow them to print one-off compilations of the other two Dungeon APs, and offer PDFs of all three.
But probably not gonna happen.
Why would it? If they wanted it to happen, they could just do it themselves—they own it, 100%, and have the skills needed to compile and print it.
Has WOTC ever hinted (under Hasbro's banner) that they would consider printing compatible game products under the OGL for Pathfinder? If they did, that would be so hilarious, and poetic.
That'd sure be an interesting one to see. Technically speaking, anything that's 3/3.5 compatible would work "close enough" with Pathfinder, which includes the new "works with any edition" material they're releasing (such as the upcoming Forgotten Realms books.) They're also able to do that without using the OGL at all as they own the underlying 3.5 system, of course*
Whether to slap a Pathfinder Compatible logo on it is another matter - most Pathfinder players already know they can plug 3.5 material in, so it wouldn't really help sell any additional books for WotC, and would more likely be seen as a bad idea by them due to helping to sell Pathfinder rulebooks rather than the 3.5 reprints.
* - yes, yes, arguments about being able to use a game system without the OGL due to copyright law not covering the system anyway aside.
Has WOTC ever hinted (under Hasbro's banner) that they would consider printing compatible game products under the OGL for Pathfinder?
It would surprise me (since they didnt generally produce OGL material for 3.5).
.Their most recent module was 'statblock free' with an online, downloadable document depending on whether you wanted to run it using 3.5, 4E or D&D:Next. So I guess it might be a potential development (if that format turns out to be popular - I have no idea how it was received). I find it hard to imagine them putting out Pathfinder compatible stuff as opposed to 3.5 compatible stuff though.
Whether to slap a Pathfinder Compatible logo on it is another matter - most Pathfinder players already know they can plug 3.5 material in, so it wouldn't really help sell any additional books for WotC, and would more likely be seen as a bad idea by them due to helping to sell Pathfinder rulebooks rather than the 3.5 reprints.
Plus, what they released under the Pathfinder Compatibility License would need to be OGL which wasnt their habit.
Unless WOTC want's to slit it's own RPG throat, that's the last thing they should do.most realistic thing I could imagine would be WOTC/HASBRO licensing companies to produce new material for specific editions. The fact that they are releasing the core rulebooks in print for past editions seems to acknowledge that they are missing part of the market by only supporting one edition at a time.
It would be great if they could license WOTC IP to third party producers to produce Pathfinder material, but I would say that is further down probability scale.
Note earlier comments saying that it would unlikely. The only way I see this happening is if DnDnext was a complete bust, at which point they have nothing to lose and would be more profitable than completely shelving DnD as a game system.
I don't really think DnD next is going to be that big a financial disaster though...
Has WOTC ever hinted (under Hasbro's banner) that they would consider printing compatible game products under the OGL for Pathfinder? If they did, that would be so hilarious, and poetic.
They already are. Dungeon Tiles can be used with Pathfinder the same way that Flip Mats can be used with D&D. Go into any game room at a convention and you'll see a lot of that.
Ditto all the miniatures.
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Has WOTC ever hinted (under Hasbro's banner) that they would consider printing compatible game products under the OGL for Pathfinder?It would surprise me (since they didnt generally produce OGL material for 3.5).
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Their most recent module was 'statblock free' with an online, downloadable document depending on whether you wanted to run it using 3.5, 4E or D&D:Next. So I guess it might be a potential development (if that format turns out to be popular - I have no idea how it was received). I find it hard to imagine them putting out Pathfinder compatible stuff as opposed to 3.5 compatible stuff though.
With their "support all editions" thing, it might become the new standard, or at least something they do on occasion. Originally I assumed that was just going to be the release of the TSR/3.x back catalog on PDF.
It'd be nice. Although I'm very unlikely to get much unless they revive Greyhawk. I'm a sucker for that setting, and especially the Tomb of Horrors. (The only print 4E product I own is the Tomb of Horrors sequel they put out).
Has WOTC ever hinted (under Hasbro's banner) that they would consider printing compatible game products under the OGL for Pathfinder?It would surprise me (since they didnt generally produce OGL material for 3.5).
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Their most recent module was 'statblock free' with an online, downloadable document depending on whether you wanted to run it using 3.5, 4E or D&D:Next. So I guess it might be a potential development (if that format turns out to be popular - I have no idea how it was received). I find it hard to imagine them putting out Pathfinder compatible stuff as opposed to 3.5 compatible stuff though.With their "support all editions" thing, it might become the new standard, or at least something they do on occasion. Originally I assumed that was just going to be the release of the TSR/3.x back catalog on PDF.
It'd be nice. Although I'm very unlikely to get much unless they revive Greyhawk. I'm a sucker for that setting, and especially the Tomb of Horrors. (The only print 4E product I own is the Tomb of Horrors sequel they put out).
I hope they keep it up - I like reading modules without any mechanics since I rarely play them in the system for which they were written for anyhow. I find it a considerably more pleasant experience when you dont have to keep skipping over a column and a half of statistics.
Although I'm very unlikely to get much unless they revive Greyhawk. I'm a sucker for that setting, and especially the Tomb of Horrors.
Ditto, but for Mystara :)
Yeesh this thread exploded again. I'm under the firm belief that DnD has very little effect on pathfinder. Pathfinder however has a HUGE effect on DnD. Pathfinder has effectively taking over as the TTRPG and as such has taken much of DnD's old fan base with it.
In my opinion no cross over of the two would ever come to fruition. The only way I see WOTC/Hasbro affecting pathfinder is if they created an edition that was good. It has been stated in this thread before, and I really believe this to be true. I'm not a loyalist, this was proven when DnD created the garbage that is known as 4th ed. It effectively drove me into the open and waiting arms of Pathfinder. Pathfinder is a beautiful mistress, she accepts all my old source books, she allows me to convert all those old musty tomes into useful relics of power. It's these qualities about her that make me stick with her.
If WOTC/Hasbro created a product that out did pathfinder (yes, it would have to out do it, cause now I've invested thousands into pathfinder) then I would definitely think about switching back. Do I believe this likely? No. Do I believe Paizo would go down without a fight? Also no. I think WOTC/Hasbro has an unrealistic goal with their new editions. Rather than cater to the amazing fan base it has created they have chosen to alienate us with overly simplistic rules, and a serious lack of realism. If they had simplified what needed to be simplified (grapple, seriously that STILL doesn't make sense.) and stopped printing their plethora of unbalanced, unplaytested garbage (planar shepherds, BOED,BOVD...to name a few)then I know myself and my group personally would still be with them. I also know through the glory of the interwebs that there is 1000's more like me.
WOTC/Hasbro is going to continue down the road of self destruction, anyone in the 5th ed playtest (like myself) could tell you that. The rules will become even more simplified, and even more offensive to older players (lack of hardness on objects, everything doing the same damage...etc) However none of this matters to them. DnD books are the real money maker, not the gaming content. As such, who cares if their system burns, Mr.Do'urden will continue to make them money for many years to come.
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What I WOULD like to see is WotC come to an arrangement with Paizo that would allow them to print one-off compilations of the other two Dungeon APs, and offer PDFs of all three. But probably not gonna happen.
If it were to happen they'd do it themselves and strip out all rules specific material so it's rules neutral like Murder in Baldur's Gate. There's no way they'd license that stuff to Paizo and only add more material to the Pathfinder library.
I'm under the firm belief that DnD has very little effect on pathfinder.
Aside from, you know, creating the rules system it was built onto and serving as the popular starting point for those new to the genre.
WOTC/Hasbro is going to continue down the road of self destruction, anyone in the 5th ed playtest (like myself) could tell you that.
They could, but they probably won't, since the general impression from those who have been actively using playtest rules to run D&D Next games is that the rules are pretty solid and feel very D&D-like. This sentiment seems to be shared by fans of earlier editions. In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.
I think you may be experiencing just a liiiittle bit of echo chamber distortion.
I'm under the firm belief that DnD has very little effect on pathfinder.Aside from, you know, creating the rules system it was built onto and serving as the popular starting point for those new to the genre.
WOTC/Hasbro is going to continue down the road of self destruction, anyone in the 5th ed playtest (like myself) could tell you that.They could, but they probably won't, since the general impression from those who have been actively using playtest rules to run D&D Next games is that the rules are pretty solid and feel very D&D-like. This sentiment seems to be shared by fans of earlier editions. In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.
I think you may be experiencing just a liiiittle bit of echo chamber distortion.
The reaction I've seen to DnD next is pretty mixed. There are a lot of people who look at it, see that Fighter and Wizard have the same attack bonus and immediately put it down. . . there are some people who loved 4e who seem to hate it, and then there are some people who loved 1st and 2nd edition D&D who seem to really like it.
That said, the playtest documents don't show the complete picture of what the final system is going to look like-- much less what it might look like with a robust set of follow up products.
It seems to be going in the direction of "compatibility" to where it could very well be that some of its books work with Pathfinder (even if they don't say so) and that pathfinder material could work with it (if it works with 3.5 a very reasonable assumption.)
But, what sales level are they expecting from it? Its not going to generate the $$ amount that the Transformers movies+ toy lines did. So whether they have a reasonable expectation set to allow it any chance to flourish as has been mentioned is a huge question mark.
In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.
Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.
In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.
I have not heard any chatter one way or the other. I don't think anything official has been said yet-- heck there's still not even a possible release date attached to it.
Yeah, obviously without a OGL system 3PP's are left out of it entirely. I imagine there will be SOME kind of thing for it-- there was for 4th ed however restrictive it was. But I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere as wide open as d20/3.X OGL was/is.
Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.
Rumors are swirling about around a kickstarter that purports to be for 3pp D&D Next material and whether or not there's been some insider leaking that a license broader than GSL is on the docket.
Rumors are swirling about around a kickstarter that purports to be for 3pp D&D Next material and whether or not there's been some insider leaking that a license broader than GSL is on the docket.
Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.
Ahhh, but I don't have any insider information! And even if its third party material it could be licensed the way ravenloft/dragonlance were in 3rd ed-- only for a few select companies given the inside track.
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What I WOULD like to see is WotC come to an arrangement with Paizo that would allow them to print one-off compilations of the other two Dungeon APs, and offer PDFs of all three. But probably not gonna happen.If it were to happen they'd do it themselves and strip out all rules specific material so it's rules neutral like Murder in Baldur's Gate. There's no way they'd license that stuff to Paizo and only add more material to the Pathfinder library.
I was assuming they would remain 3.5.
In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.
As a matter of fact, within the last 24 horus! Chris Dias (of Dias Ex Machina) posted yesterday on EN World that he had it on good authority that 5e would feature an SRD and OGL. He later revealed that the authority in question was an email exchange with Mike Mearls himself prior to the start of the playtest, and that the CEO of WotC had apparently "signed off" on the game having an OGL. Since then, Jon Brazer Enterprises (particularly noteworthy because Dale McCoy avoided publishing under 4e but has decided he likes 5e enough to support it) has chimed in saying that he has similar knowledge. I asked Chris earlier today to explain in his reddit AMA post what he knew about the upcoming OGL situation, so you should read through that thread if you're curious.
We haven't received confirmation of an OGL directly from WotC, but the fact that multiple 3pp companies are saying that WotC will publish an OGL for D&D Next means that we can be reasonably confident that an OGL was part of the plan during the lead-up to the playtest. Whether that remains the case is something we'll have to wait on confirmation from WotC on.
In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.As a matter of fact, within the last 24 horus! Chris Dias (of Dias Ex Machina) posted yesterday on EN World that he had it on good authority that 5e would feature an SRD and OGL. He later revealed that the authority in question was an email exchange with Mike Mearls himself prior to the start of the playtest, and that the CEO of WotC had apparently "signed off" on the game having an OGL. Since then, Jon Brazer (particularly noteworthy because Jon avoided publishing under 4e but has decided he likes 5e enough to support it) has chimed in saying that he has similar knowledge. I asked Chris earlier today to explain in his reddit AMA post what he knew about the upcoming OGL situation, so you should read through that thread if you're curious.
We haven't received confirmation of an OGL directly from WotC, but the fact that multiple 3pp companies are saying that WotC will publish an OGL for D&D Next means that we can be reasonably confident that an OGL was part of the plan during the lead-up to the playtest. Whether that remains the case is something we'll have to wait on confirmation from WotC on.
Cheers. That's a wise move, if they hold their nerve.
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In fact, I'm starting to hear 3pp heads who didn't enjoy 4e saying that they are now planning on creating 5e products based on how much they've enjoyed the playtest materials.Have you heard any informed discussion as to whether there'll be anything like the OGL? I can't see it garnering much 3PP support without something similar.As a matter of fact, within the last 24 horus! Chris Dias (of Dias Ex Machina) posted yesterday on EN World that he had it on good authority that 5e would feature an SRD and OGL. He later revealed that the authority in question was an email exchange with Mike Mearls himself prior to the start of the playtest, and that the CEO of WotC had apparently "signed off" on the game having an OGL. Since then, Jon Brazer Enterprises (particularly noteworthy because Dale McCoy avoided publishing under 4e but has decided he likes 5e enough to support it) has chimed in saying that he has similar knowledge. I asked Chris earlier today to explain in his reddit AMA post what he knew about the upcoming OGL situation, so you should read through that thread if you're curious.
We haven't received confirmation of an OGL directly from WotC, but the fact that multiple 3pp companies are saying that WotC will publish an OGL for D&D Next means that we can be reasonably confident that an OGL was part of the plan during the lead-up to the playtest. Whether that remains the case is something we'll have to wait on confirmation from WotC on.
So its possible that P2 could use 5E?
So its possible that P2 could use 5E?
Is P2 really something that's happening? I thought everything I've heard about Paizo's philosophy suggests that they wouldn't ever reboot the system-- especially not 5 years in?
Is P2 really something that's happening? I thought everything I've heard about Paizo's philosophy suggests that they wouldn't ever reboot the system-- especially not 5 years in?
The latest word is "we have no plans for a second edition at this stage", as far as I'm aware. That pretty much makes it a good two years away (assuming they begin planning for it tomorrow) at least.
So its possible that P2 could use 5E?
We don't have direct confirmation on anything right now; all we know is that during the lead-up to the playtest, 5e was planned to have an OGL. So anything is possible right now. In order for P2 to go 5e, 5e would need to feature an appropriately liberal OGL, Paizo would have to decide that they need to publish a P2, and they'd have to decide that publishing under 5e's OGL would be the best route for them to take.
I'm no more than 85% sure that any one of those will end up being true, so possible? Sure. Likely? Who the heck knows?
In the event that D&D Next were to take off and is wildly successful, and Paizo determines that they are missing out on sales by not converting to it, and they determine that the cost of converting over and the lost sales of their rulebooks line would be less than the additional sales of adventure paths and modules using the D&D Next rules... well, then it would just be foolish of them not to.
In the event that it were to be determined that beer makes you lose weight, gain intelligence, and improves your driving skills, it would also be foolish not to drink beer every day for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
I estimate the likelihood of both events to be of the same magnitude.
Wasn't trying to imply that P2 is in the works here folks, sorry about that. Was just contemplating a 5E OGL and Paizo making a P2 using 5E. I cant imagine they will let that happen again.
Be more likely to be a different 3PP, in my opinion. I still think Next would be better off within the OGL (or something similar). It's clearly a risky proposition for them though.
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At this point, I cannot imagine Paizo abandoning their own highly successful game system to adopt another. The fact that I personally doubt 5E will ever make current Pathfinder players flock elsewhere notwithstanding, Paizo would be giving up control of their ruleset.
I know that some folks are hoping for some fairy tale scenario where Paizo and WotC merge together and create the most amazing works of gaming art imaginable in a single game system. In real life however, that ship seems to have pretty much sailed when WotC left them dangling over 4E. Once you invest enough in a different path, it makes less sense to go back and overhaul everything you have done.
But, what sales level are they expecting from it? Its not going to generate the $$ amount that the Transformers movies+ toy lines did. So whether they have a reasonable expectation set to allow it any chance to flourish as has been mentioned is a huge question mark.
Hasbro want the D&D 'line' to generate money, not just the P&P game by itself (they are fairly realistic about the money a P&P game can make these days). What they will likely do is use the new D&D game to generate cross-medium appeal and use it to launch new books (there's a whole new line of FORGOTTEN REALMS novels coming down the pipe in the post-Spellplague setting) and to continue to drum up interest in the new film project and vice versa, if it overcomes the legal issues and actually happens.
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I was assuming they would remain 3.5.What I WOULD like to see is WotC come to an arrangement with Paizo that would allow them to print one-off compilations of the other two Dungeon APs, and offer PDFs of all three. But probably not gonna happen.If it were to happen they'd do it themselves and strip out all rules specific material so it's rules neutral like Murder in Baldur's Gate. There's no way they'd license that stuff to Paizo and only add more material to the Pathfinder library.
Which is essentially more pathfinder material.
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Not necessarily, especially given the recent 3.5 reprints.
But hey, I'm sure that WotC wouldn't mind selling books to Pathfinder-only fans...if they can't sell rulebooks, then they can sell adventures. And really, it's not like having the APs available is going to make someone switch to Pathfinder/stop buying D&D.
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I don't see Paizo switching Pathfinder over to the new system, even if the OGL for 5E is as generous as it was for 3.5 (Big if). The devs have stated that they like 3.5, and whats more now that the Pathfinder has become sucessful, they have increasingly "done their own thing" (creation of mythic over use of epic, changes in class design, etc). Not to mention that copying 5E would mean Paizo and WOTC would be competing for nearly the same customer base. I can't imagine either company wanting that.
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Not necessarily, especially given the recent 3.5 reprints.
Do you really believe the 3.5 reprints brought in new players... the kind of new players that'd generate sales worth talking about. Let's not kid ourselves here. The reprints are a cash grab for diehards that have money to burn. I haven't seen any of the reprints well stocked or readily available anywhere and their impact on the 3.5 scene.. as it is.. is negligible. They didn't bring any number of new players into D&D worth talking about.
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I believe it may have allowed some people who had switched over to Pathfinder, sold their books, and then discovered they didn't really like it as much to jump back on the D&D bandwagon....or maybe to give to their friend who is just getting into RPGs, etc.
I'm not saying they made a huge impact, but your implication that offering 3.5 material is creating new customer for ONLY Paizo is not at all true.
If WotC really thought it was, I doubt they'd be putting out anywhere near as much 3.5 stuff on OneBooksShelf. There are currently 67 products tagged as being 3.x there, second only to 2nd Edition, with 102 products.
Not necessarily, especially given the recent 3.5 reprints.Do you really believe the 3.5 reprints brought in new players... the kind of new players that'd generate sales worth talking about. Let's not kid ourselves here. The reprints are a cash grab for diehards that have money to burn. I haven't seen any of the reprints well stocked or readily available anywhere and their impact on the 3.5 scene.. as it is.. is negligible. They didn't bring any number of new players into D&D worth talking about.
I have seen the 3.5 books in Barnes and Noble, Books A Million, and Hastings. I can't say how much money they are making, but they are certainly well stocked at pretty much every place I have been that carries role playing stuff.
I believe it may have allowed some people who had switched over to Pathfinder, sold their books, and then discovered they didn't really like it as much to jump back on the D&D bandwagon....or maybe to give to their friend who is just getting into RPGs, etc.
I'm not saying they made a huge impact, but your implication that offering 3.5 material is creating new customer for ONLY Paizo is not at all true.
If WotC really thought it was, I doubt they'd be putting out anywhere near as much 3.5 stuff on OneBooksShelf. There are currently 67 products tagged as being 3.x there, second only to 2nd Edition, with 102 products.
Have to agree here - one of those premium reprints was the Magic Item Compendium. It's one of the few 3.5 books I never got, so I bought it - to use with Pathfinder.
That's a book sale WotC wouldn't have had if they hadn't reprinted it, and certainly hasn't sent me from D&D to Pathfinder - I'd already switched to it.
I can't imagine I'm the only person in that situation, so yeah it's a good thing for WotC's business to still support 3.5 - even if they're selling books to Pathfinder players, the end result is they're selling books.
Plus I'm one of those ancient grognards that is picking up PDFs of BECMI products they missed out on originally via OBS. Again, more money for WotC.
If they've truly moved to a more edition-friendly stance, it can only be a good thing for both them and us.
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I have seen the 3.5 books in Barnes and Noble, Books A Million, and Hastings. I can't say how much money they are making, but they are certainly well stocked at pretty much every place I have been that carries role playing stuff.Not necessarily, especially given the recent 3.5 reprints.Do you really believe the 3.5 reprints brought in new players... the kind of new players that'd generate sales worth talking about. Let's not kid ourselves here. The reprints are a cash grab for diehards that have money to burn. I haven't seen any of the reprints well stocked or readily available anywhere and their impact on the 3.5 scene.. as it is.. is negligible. They didn't bring any number of new players into D&D worth talking about.
But is it the kind of "well-stocked" that means "we've been selling so much we want to make sure we have plenty around", or is it the kind of "well-stocked" that means "we placed a large initial order and haven't moved very much of it yet"?
(I do not know the answer, but it *is* a question that you need to answer for stock levels to be a useful indicator of anything.)
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Have to agree here - one of those premium reprints was the Magic Item Compendium. It's one of the few 3.5 books I never got, so I bought it - to use with Pathfinder.
Ah, now there is a handy book. If I didn't still have my original copy I would have picked up the premium reprint.
Have to agree here - one of those premium reprints was the Magic Item Compendium. It's one of the few 3.5 books I never got, so I bought it - to use with Pathfinder.Ah, now there is a handy book. If I didn't still have my original copy I would have picked up the premium reprint.
It's the only 3.5 book I consider a must-use in an otherwise pure-PF game. Just too many useful and interesting options for magic loot and useful tables to do without.
I have seen the 3.5 books in Barnes and Noble, Books A Million, and Hastings. I can't say how much money they are making, but they are certainly well stocked at pretty much every place I have been that carries role playing stuff.
But is it the kind of "well-stocked" that means "we've been selling so much we want to make sure we have plenty around", or is it the kind of "well-stocked" that means "we placed a large initial order and haven't moved very much of it yet"?
(I do not know the answer, but it *is* a question that you need to answer for stock levels to be a useful indicator of anything.)
True, which was part of my response (I can't say how much money they are making). I was mostly replying to the notion they weren't not being carried at the stores.
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There is no sign of a Pathfinder 2 development even being considered on the horizon, only the postings of a determined minority that is fixated on the idea of planned obsolescence for Pathfinder. Given that the bulk of Pathfinder's initial audience came from a revolt of WOTC's edition change, such a move would not be made lightly, if at all.Is P2 really something that's happening? I thought everything I've heard about Paizo's philosophy suggests that they wouldn't ever reboot the system-- especially not 5 years in?
So its possible that P2 could use 5E?
I still struggle with the current edition, so I won´t need PF2 for years to come, if at all. I think a reworked core rulebook could be an idea, but rather from an organizational view and for minor rules changes or updates, not a new edition. Honestly, I don´t think I will ever need PF2 at all.