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Hello everyone and I know that this sort of questions have been answered a lot, but there is so many specific threads that I cannot find a definite answer for my question. Other then that, question is simple;
Can I purchase a bear (grizzly) or dire bear as an animal? Is it considered always available for purchase and if not, what additional source does provide such animal?
Reason behind this is that I have been toying with an idea of dwarven bear rider for some time but not via regular animal companion/bonded mount features but instead as simple purchased animal mount.
Thanks everyone for answers upfront.
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I suggest being very careful about this. Dropping a bear into a low-level scenario overpowers the system. IF you do it, just buy it and ride it, without having it kill all the enemies that are scaled for your CR and not the bear's.
In my experience, no one wants to watch your mount solo the scenario.
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But to answer your question (which I seem to have missed): you need the Bestiary that contains the stats for the mount you want (Bestiary 1 in this case). You'll need Handle Animal to make it do anything, exotic saddles, etc. They are not "Always Available" so you need the appropriate level of Fame to be able to purchase items of that value.
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@Scott Young
Regarding soloing scenario's; I am well aware of it and I know how much it could devastate low level scenario's both as a GM and player. I have no intentions to solo scenario's. This is merely for show off, plus, I won't be able to ride/handle and afford it until higher levels of play.
Regarding Bestiary 1; I did check this on additional resources but it didn't say anything about animals that can be bought as gear/equipment.
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The point being, the only animals you can buy have to show up on a list of animals you can buy.
The horses and poney and stuff from the Core Rulebook.
There are some animals in Ultimate Equipment.
There are also some animals in the Animal Archive.
The ones in the Animal Archive, you can purchase as combat trained.
I don't believe any of those books has any form of a bear available.
Animal Archive has Dire Bear for 1,750 gp, but no price for combat trained (page 15).
And it also has Grizzly Bear, 740 gp, but no price for combat trained (page 15)
Both bears are large.
Page 31 bestiary.
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no.
The idea of reskinning is to get a creature that does not already have its own stat block.
In other words, if you want a lynx, take small cat (leopard or cheetah as you wish) or if you want a St. Bernard, take riding dog.
But since the Bison has its own stat block, you cannot reskin a horse to be that.
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also, be aware, that the price for the combat-trained bison is likely a misprint. I'm not sure how a creature that is a higher CR than the Tiger, ends up being so much cheaper.
Being that its likely a misprint, expect that you could be out of luck if you try to buy one for 75gp.
Also, please be aware, that many GM's will ask you to leave the Bear or Bison or whatever, at home, if they fear you are going to actually use it in combat, especially at the lower tier tables.
also, be aware, that the price for the combat-trained bison is likely a misprint.
In the Animal Archive, the combat trained versions of all of the creatures listed is the regular price times 1.5, which is also the guidance given for those that do not have combat training prices listed, to multiple by 1.5 for combat trained versions, subject to GM approval.
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also, be aware, that the price for the combat-trained bison is likely a misprint.In the Animal Archive, the combat trained versions of all of the creatures listed is the regular price times 1.5, which is also the guidance given for those that do not have combat training prices listed, to multiple by 1.5 for combat trained versions, subject to GM approval.
As a general rule for animals that don't have a combat-trained line item.
But there are animals that have a combat-trained line item.
Tigers are 500gp
Bison somehow are only 75gp
also, be aware, that the price for the combat-trained bison is likely a misprint.In the Animal Archive, the combat trained versions of all of the creatures listed is the regular price times 1.5, which is also the guidance given for those that do not have combat training prices listed, to multiple by 1.5 for combat trained versions, subject to GM approval.As a general rule for animals that don't have a combat-trained line item.
But there are animals that have a combat-trained line item.
Tigers are 500gp
Bison somehow are only 75gp
Non combat trained tigers are 325 gp
Non combat trained bison are 50 gpCombat versions are approximately 1.5 times the non-combat trained ones (I took a quick look at the list, and for the most part, the general rule holds for non-combat vs combat trained).
Andy, I think that you will be horrified by my soon to be implemented emergency plan - all brought about by your concern over battle cattle.
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Well Bison are a lot easier to breed the Tigers are...
I'd imagine they aren't priced based on effectiveness but availability.
They are priced by CR.
Aurochs, Bestiary page 174, are priced at 300gp, or 450gp for combat trained. CR 2
Bison, Bestiary page 174, are priced at 50gp, or 75gp for combat trained. CR 4
Tiger, 325gp, 500gp combat trained. CR 4
Lion, 200gp, 300gp combat trained. CR 3
Elk, 100gp, 150gp combat trained. CR 1
It is pretty clear that the Bison is a misprint.
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also, be aware, that the price for the combat-trained bison is likely a misprint.In the Animal Archive, the combat trained versions of all of the creatures listed is the regular price times 1.5, which is also the guidance given for those that do not have combat training prices listed, to multiple by 1.5 for combat trained versions, subject to GM approval.As a general rule for animals that don't have a combat-trained line item.
But there are animals that have a combat-trained line item.
Tigers are 500gp
Bison somehow are only 75gpNon combat trained tigers are 325 gp
Non combat trained bison are 50 gpCombat versions are approximately 1.5 times the non-combat trained ones (I took a quick look at the list, and for the most part, the general rule holds for non-combat vs combat trained).
Andy, I think that you will be horrified by my soon to be implemented emergency plan - all brought about by your concern over battle cattle.
dare I ask?
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A bison is much easier to obtain than a tiger, I would imagine, and this is what drives the (in-game) price, not the (meta-game) CR. This has been discussed before, and no one has flagged it as a misprint, just a bad idea. In fact, it would have to be 2 misprints, which both happen to follow the exact relationship expected and required of combat-trained versus non-combat-trained costs. That seems unlikely to me.
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dare I ask?
Andy, I think that you will be horrified by my soon to be implemented emergency plan - all brought about by your concern over battle cattle.
Well, reading your objections to battle cattle planted a seed in my mind (always a bad thing to do).
This way, when I am in a desperate situation, I bring them out, say the command word (same for all of them) and order them to charge!
Imagine 10 battle bisons running over everything in their path. A real stampede. Minimum damage of 10d6+60 if all 10 saves are made.
I could even get the party mounted on them, and have everyone ride out on the trampling battle bisons.
Are you sorry that you peaked?
:)
You can only have one combat "pet" in play at a time, sorry.
Spoil sport.
Then I lend them out to the rest of the party, giving us 6 of them to work with.
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chuckle... If you pull that out in say Waking Rune, the Battle Bison will last maybe a round.
If you pull that out in anything lower than a 8-9 or 10-11, or for anything other than a "save my bacon" type of moment... I'd be like...
And yeah, I'd say that to the player's face if they started pulling that out for no reason than to just run over every encounter.
chuckle... If you pull that out in say Waking Rune, the Battle Bison will last maybe a round.
If you pull that out in anything lower than a 8-9 or 10-11, or for anything other than a "save my bacon" type of moment... I'd be like...
** spoiler omitted **
And yeah, I'd say that to the player's face if they started pulling that out for no reason than to just run over every encounter.
Oh, it will only be used in an emergency.
Even if they only lasted a round in Waking Rune, they would still have done some damage, occupied the opponents for a few seconds, etc.. Maybe enough to give the party a chance to survive.
Hmmm, maybe I could take one out at a high society event, play with it in my hands, just to torment the GM.
:)
And for some reason, find that all of the opponents all randomly rolled to attack my PC.
What is the duration on carry companion? I have a vague recollection that they have to be destatued periodically to feed and then you would have to recast the spell. (Or am I thinking of a different spell?)
You are thinking of the armor property. Carry Companion is a permanent spell, well, until the command word is spoken again.
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Also, while the bear is available via bestiary, and is available combat trained, it is *not* available as a riding animal. (It is under other animal) meaning, I believe, that it is not available to use as a mount short of a feat or class feature.
"If you attempt to ride a creature that is ill suited as a mount, you take a –5 penalty on your Ride checks," - CRB. This leads me to believe that, given certain size limitations, anything can be ridden.
Sorry to sound uninformed but what is the "Animal Archive"? I don't remember a book being released of that name so I wonder if I missed it somewhere along the way....thanks. Links please if possible!
Animal Archive is a Player Companion
link
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Sorry to sound uninformed but what is the "Animal Archive"? I don't remember a book being released of that name so I wonder if I missed it somewhere along the way....thanks. Links please if possible!
Animal Archive is a Player Companion
link
Thanks...can't believe I missed that for so long. I feel so out-of-the-loopish. Guess I need to pick that up too....
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There are rules in the CRB that cover unusual mounts. There are rules in the CRB that cover training a creature (not necessarily an animal) for mounted combat. None of these rules have been flagged as verboten in PFS. The Grizzly is a large creature of the animal type, so it's a legal purchase. What seems to be the confusion, other than some people speculating wildly instead of checking the rules?