pretty strait forward question. im just looking at ways to make a magus spontaneous without actually changing the rules. i'm looking for feats/spells to use similar to how an oracle becomes a god-caster.
Preferred Spell will let you spontaneously cast a specific spell. Spell Recall lets you spend pool points to prepare a spell you've already cast again. That's about all I can think of.
Outside of 3rd-party content (having searched for such a thing in the past), I don't believe there is any method to have a spontaneous casting Magus. Although I'm certain there is a 3rd party method (in the form of a Magus archetype), even if it currently eludes me.
That said, outside PFS games, typical "Ask your GM" quips come into play. Of particular note is that the Bard is a spontaneous arcane caster with the same number of spell levels as a Magus, if you need something to base said casting progression off.
without changing how the class works it would make things difficult. Personally I wouldn't have a problem with making the magus into a Cha based spontaneous caster using the bards spells known progression. This would however change one of the usual tactics magus players tend to use. Since spontaneous casters take longer casting metamagic adjusted spells it would somewhat make high metamagic play untennable.
As a simple swap over it's something you can talk to your GM about if it is a home game. As far as I know there aren't any feats you can take to make a prepared caster into a spontaneous one.
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preferred spell isn't a bad choice, but it only lets me cast 1 spell spontaneously. as as far as i know, once you choose this, you cant change it.
as far as breaking the class, the point about the bard is exactly why i feel magus SHOULD be a spontaneous caster. it just seems to me, that from a fluff perspective, a caster who is fighting back to back with the fighter in the middle of the melee would be choosing his spells on a whim, not using sticky-notes to tab pages in his spellbook and predicting what he's gonna use the night before.
It's not exactly spontaneous, but using empty spell slots a Magus can do something like this. I leave at least one empty spell slot at each level I can cast; based on prior encounters, I can often prepare appropriate spells in those empty slots (even ones I don't actually 'know', using Knowledge Pool), and then afterward I can recall those spells using Spell Recall.
So for example, if we're going up against a lot of things that were resistant to electricity, I could use an empty slot to prepare, say, Burning Hands instead, and then if I needed more than one cast, I could use Spell Recall to re-prepare it.
Again, not specifically spontaneous, but I think if you do try to work up a custom class\archetype in this manner, you're going to need to drop Spell Recall.
just looked at the vanguard. decent class. but i actually like the way the magus' spell combat and spellstrike work better then the vanguards. its more strict and yet, still manipulate-able. the vanguard is forced to use certain parts of spell combat at much later levels. also, the magus class abilities are alot better then simply getting feats for class skills.
Well, if you're using 3rd party content, particularly Super Genius Games, then I can offer you a small bit of gold from a quick search just now - they have an archetype called Cabalist for the Magus which fits your bill (though ceeding up a couple of other features as well as changing the casting style).
That said, I'd promote the tactic of leaving open spell slots + recall as valid options given for a pseudo-spontaneous casting, but thanks to the sticky-notes as bookmarks comment, I can't help but find that sticks (heh) too much to that image.
It's not exactly spontaneous, but using empty spell slots a Magus can do something like this. I leave at least one empty spell slot at each level I can cast; based on prior encounters, I can often prepare appropriate spells in those empty slots (even ones I don't actually 'know', using Knowledge Pool), and then afterward I can recall those spells using Spell Recall.
So for example, if we're going up against a lot of things that were resistant to electricity, I could use an empty slot to prepare, say, Burning Hands instead, and then if I needed more than one cast, I could use Spell Recall to re-prepare it.
Again, not specifically spontaneous, but I think if you do try to work up a custom class\archetype in this manner, you're going to need to drop Spell Recall.
sense when can you leave spell slots unprepared? that is clearly a houserule. if you could do that you could simply leave all your spell slots unprepared and prepare then whenever you need a spell. this is effectively making him a spontaneous caster by houserule.
sense when can you leave spell slots unprepared? that is clearly a houserule. if you could do that you could simply leave all your spell slots unprepared and prepare then whenever you need a spell. this is effectively making him a spontaneous caster by houserule.
As the PRD puts it;
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, he can repeat the preparation process as often as he likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. He cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because he has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of his spells.
It's in the Core Rulebook, if I recall correctly (and I believe isn't expressed such to suggest it's only wizards who get on the fly preparing - too late at night to go stomping around for books here so I shant check).
cabalist is perfect, but it wont mesh with kensai (only magus worth making)so gonna have to ask my gm if i can just take the changed spellcasting.
cabalist is perfect, but it wont mesh with kensai (only magus worth making)so gonna have to ask my gm if i can just take the changed spellcasting.
Whilst I can see why you'd want to play a Kensai, I'd have to disagree it's the only Magus worth making. The core Magus can be pretty damn fun, let alone the silly tricks I'm sure exist in other archetypes.
If Magus was a full BAB class, I'd say no way. I don't think you'd really "break" the game at all by swapping to spontaneous spellcasting using the Bard's spell known progression. As far as I can tell, the only balance you'd be upsetting is the fact that you'd be the only spontaneous caster in Heavy Armor (not crucial since you'd be subject to penalties) and this list of spellcasters (which might not be complete):
Prepared Arcane:
Wizard
Magus
Witch
Alchemist
Spontaneous Arcane:
Sorcerer
Bard
Prepared Divine:
Cleric
Druid
Paladin
Ranger
Spontaneous Divine:
Inquisitor
Oracle
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sense when can you leave spell slots unprepared? that is clearly a houserule. if you could do that you could simply leave all your spell slots unprepared and prepare then whenever you need a spell. this is effectively making him a spontaneous caster by houserule.
As the PRD puts it;
When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, he can repeat the preparation process as often as he likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. He cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because he has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of his spells.It's in the Core Rulebook, if I recall correctly (and I believe isn't expressed such to suggest it's only wizards who get on the fly preparing - too late at night to go stomping around for books here so I shant check).
Any prepared caster (wizard, cleric, druid, magus etc) can leave spell slots open. It's a pretty common tactic which is perfectly legal per the core rules (as quoted above).
Your magus can absolutely leave a number of his available spell slots at each level open and then memorize those spells he needs as he needs them. It's not quite the on-the-fly casting of a spontaneous caster (it takes 15 minutes or to memorize the new spell(s) but it gets you pretty close!