Eidolon Rend


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I just picked up the Rend Evolution at 9th level on my Eidolon. I have a bunch of questions on how this works. The ability is printed below.

"Rend (Ex)

An eidolon learns to rip and tear the flesh of those it attacks with its claws, gaining the rend ability. Whenever the eidolon makes two successful claw attacks against the same target in 1 round, its claws latch onto the flesh and deal extra damage. This damage is equal to the damage dealt by one claw attack plus 1-1/2 times the eidolon’s Strength modifier. The eidolon must possess the claws evolution to select this evolution. The summoner must be at least 6th level before selecting this evolution. Source: Advanced Player's Guide"

How much damage does my Rend do? The issue arises in the section "Damage dealt by one claw attack + 1.5 str"
My base claw damage is 1d6. My claw also does 2d6 acid (amulet and energy attacks) and 2d6 holy damage (amulet). My strength score is 27 (+8), and I always power attack.

Firstly, does my rend do 1d6 or 1d6+2d6 holy +2d6 acid damage as base.

Secondly, does it add 12 or 13 to damage? (1.5 str or 1.5 str+magic +1(Greater Magic Fang)) or the really outlandish +16 or 17 (Claw damage modifier +4 base or 5(Magic) + 12 (1.5 strength modifier)

Thirdly, If I add the magic modifier which claws magic modifier gets added in if by chance they are different (3 of them +1 due to all natural attack option of GMF, and one +2 do to specific GMF for example)

Fourth, does power attack apply to rend? If so does it count as a primary natural attack (since it adds 1.5 str), a secondary because I am using a weapon and ALL natural attacks count as secondary or a regular attack since it doesn't specify natural or not.

Lastly, the rend evolution doesn't seem to have a limit on the number of times per round I can rend like the bestiary ability. Can I do it twice per round if I hit with all 4 of my claw attacks?


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Lastly, the rend evolution doesn't seem to have a limit on the number of times per round I can rend like the bestiary ability. Can I do it twice per round if I hit with all 4 of my claw attacks?

This is one in particular I've wanted FAQ'd for a while.

While the RAI is clear (Jason Buhlman says it's supposed to work once a round, as normal), the RAW of it is poorly worded.

Silver Crusade

My understanding is that your damage settles out like this:
Your Claws hit and do 1d6+(Equipment)+(Feats)+8.
You can then Rend for 1d6+12.

I believe this is correct because as written your monster is not striking the target a second time, simply getting bonus damage for hitting with both claw attacks. Per the description your eidolon is tearing and ripping as part of the claw attack.

The Energy Attacks evolution has an argument for increasing it by that amount, but since this is not actually an attack, just bonus damage for already succeeding at hitting the same target twice with a specific attack type I would not include it.

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