Thanks! I think I did well. :D
Hah, not at all, thom. I feel like I'm the slowest responder at the moment. *grin*
By the way: this part of the module really doesn't make sense to me. There's apparently snow as described in the module, but... well, I may be Australian, but I lived for a year in Canada and I know that snow melts at the temperatures you're apparently travelling in. The only stuff left should be basically frost and ice, if that...
My argument is that it's magical snow. Booyah.
Thought I'd take the logistics to the OOC thread.
Cold weather resistant loot.
3 cold weather suits from the dead people.
1 set of furs -- usable as some number of blankets, or with a DC 15 survival check which Trig can make by taking 10 the furs can fashioned into a fourth cold weather suit.
5 spots in the wagon and 7 of us including Nester, but one or two persons on watch can patrol outside.
Who needs what?
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Khale and Bendy have cold weather clothes. What about Nester? If he has cold weather clothes then we have four suits for four people.
If Li Shuo has cold weather clothes then we even have a pelt left over for blanket use.
Although blankets will be more useful overnight, the cold weather suit will be more useful during the day while we are moving.
Nester does not have cold weather gear, it seems. Just checked his stat block.
Alice, about how long will it take to fashion the cold weather suit from the furs? What about using the tents or blankets for another improvised suit?
It looks like we're in pretty good shape for the night, between the survival checks, (really nice post from Li Shuo's master, Alice), Khale's cold resistance and selflessness, and the blankets and stove.
The two on watch will need cold weather suits which we can rotate as the watches change, but everyone else can huddle in the wagon with the furs as blankets, Trig's blanket, stove, bedrolls, even the two tents as insulation.
Daytime might be trickier. If it's cold in the daytime:
Arithas
Bendaxalon -- cold suit (his)
Elysia -- cold suit
Khale -- paladinhood
Li Shuo
Nester -- cold suit
Trig
To share between Arithas, Khale, Li and Trig, we have 2 cold suits, and one that could be improvised from furs, maybe another improvised suit from the tents or Trig's blanket.
Tarondor is right. We need to get out of the mountains fast. Maybe a forced march tomorrow?
On the home-made cold weather gear, I just assumed you made it the night before sometime. At least whipped up something "good enough" (seeing as how you're making it from Survival rather than Craft (clothing) :) If you want to rip up your tents and blankets to make another makeshift cold weather suit, I would allow it, but you'll be lacking those later on, so it's up to you.
It's not cold enough in the daytime to necessitate the saving throws against cold - it only happens during the dead of night, basically.
Essentially, you've basically gotten all the bonuses you could get - if you look at the GM spoiler you can see the somewhat ridiculous bonuses some of you have ;) However some of your comments above may become relevant if you sleep another night in the mountains.
Tough break, Bendy. You seem to the the party's damage sponge. If we pull through this Trig will be properly penitent.
Incredible... decantering from such a height...
(... In retrospect, I'm not sure if anyone else here gets the joke.)
So much grease!
@Bendy, I don't think you can use produce flame while you're prone.
Prone - A prone attacker has a –4 penalty on melee attack rolls and cannot use a ranged weapon (except for a crossbow).
Produce Flame - Alternatively, you can hurl the flames up to 120 feet as a thrown weapon. When doing so, you attack with a ranged touch attack (with no range penalty) and deal the same damage as with the melee attack.
I wasn't able to find any posts on the boards about this in particular, although there are some threads where people agree that produce flame is treated like a weapon and you can get iterative attacks with it. Although it's not really clear imo.
Thoughts?
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The Bottom Line
I did some research, and it looks like you're right. At this time, the RAW is that rays and weapon-like spells are treated like weapons for the purpose of spells and effects. Period. However, the RAW list of exceptions to using ranged weapons while prone was never authoritative, and has become less so over time; so I fully expect rays and weapon-like spells to eventually be added to it.
The Reasons Why
- Under table 8-5 (Attack Roll Modifiers) on CRB pg. 195, footnote #3 reveals that "you can use a crossbow or shuriken while prone at no penalty." Right there, we have to throw out the list in the prone condition on CRB pg. 568 as being incomplete. Normally, we could follow the principle that to explicitly name things is to implicitly exclude what is not named; but since the list in the condition description is incomplete, that throws the principle itself in doubt with regard to prone, so we can't assume that the list in the footnote is complete either.
- The section on rays on CRB pg. 214 repeatedly uses language like "as if it were a weapon," which implies that it's not a weapon; it's just being treated like one in certain respects.
- However, that list (of how rays are treated like weapons) is not complete either, since rays also count as weapons for the purpose of taking feats, and any weapon-like spells count for spells and effects that affect weapons.
- Then again, the list of exceptions also doesn't include firearms (UC pg. 136), which came later, and those FAQ clarifications on rays and weapon-like spells are relatively recent. They already led to at least one counter-clarification on a use of "weapons" that was meant to exclude them: the Blackened oracle curse from Blood of Angels. So, there could be more; and since weapon-like spells (which don't even have mass) should be at least as easy to use as shuriken, I expect that they will eventually be added to the explicit list of ranged weapons that you can use while prone.
I totally agree with you that RAI seems to be that you can cast rays and weapon-like spells while prone. It seems illogical to me otherwise; you can make all the other motions of a spell without a problem, but you can't direct it to the target? After all the reason why you can't use most ranged weapons while prone is more because you don't have the ability to pull the drawstring back properly or some such, which obviously isn't an issue with spells.
Alas, we are bound to RAW with PFS. I hope this sort of thing gets cleared up. (Maybe a good topic for a FAQ post?)
Sorry about that, I hate saying "no, you can't do that". :/
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I can understand why bows, and most thrown weapons can't be used while prone (after reading this I went outside with my shuriken, throwing knives, throwing axe, and some darts to experiment). By far, the easiest to use with any accuracy was the shuriken. The knives were iffy, the axe and darts were very difficult. Actually, the axe was darn near impossible. But like you said, a spell like that makes no sense to me...
With the end of this combat the module is basically over, so while we wrap up the tail-end of things, please double check that your profile has your PFS number on it!
Go ahead and make your day job roll if you've got it.
I'll be PMing everyone your chronicles shortly.
I am slightly worried that we might not finish part 2, considering we have about a month in which to do so. It's up to you guys to decide if you want to rush it. (Or if you want to continue at all!)
I might start up the 2nd gameplay thread while this one is still going, allowing you to roleplay the end of this scenario without time pressure and getting a head start on part 2. What do y'all think of that?
Don't forget your day job roll, Arithas! Since I know that you have Craft.
I will try and get the 2nd game thread up by tonight or tomorrow, working on chronicle sheets at the moment. Feel free to continue in the current thread to wrap things up in the interim.
I am slightly worried that we might not finish part 2, considering we have about a month in which to do so. It's up to you guys to decide if you want to rush it. (Or if you want to continue at all!)
I might start up the 2nd gameplay thread while this one is still going, allowing you to roleplay the end of this scenario without time pressure and getting a head start on part 2. What do y'all think of that?
Brilliant idea!
With the end of this combat the module is basically over, so while we wrap up the tail-end of things, please double check that your profile has your PFS number on it!
Go ahead and make your day job roll if you've got it.
I'll be PMing everyone your chronicles shortly.
Day job roll? Does a Performance check to earn cash count?
Trig, yes! Have a look at page 22 of the Guide to PFS. Essentially, you use your Craft/Profession/Perform checks to gain a little bit of extra cash on the side after every mission. It's basically representing the fact that you work as a performer (or alchemist, or cook, or whatever) in between your missions to the Society. :)
Just sent out Chronicles to everyone (except for Trig, who will get his after he rolls his Day Job). Will work on getting the 2nd gameplay thread up shortly. It's okay if you don't want to continue on, no hard feelings :)
Second gameplay thread is up! I will make this campaign inactive once you'be finished everything you want to do here :)
Eep. I think I messed up Arithas' and Bendy's chronicles. It was Arithas and Elysia that didn't pray (or at least say some words of thanks) at the statue of Kayle, wasn't it? I think I may have crossed the boon out on Bendy's sheet instead and not on Arithas'.
Just letting everyone know that I will be away this weekend (Thursday ~ Monday) at PAX Australia. I'm unsure about my internet connection in the hotel, but I hope to avail myself of some free Wi-Fi somewhere to keep up with things as much as I can. Worst comes to worst, I have my phone.
What this means for you guys is that I may not have the ability to edit the map over the weekend! I have set up a map on Roll20 for the dungeon you'll be exploring later on, but we might have to deal with description only for a few days depending on how long it takes you to get through the introduction. I hope this isn't a problem.
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GM, tiny question, you said we should have 411 gp on the chronicle in the Gameplay thread, but (I think) mine shows 401 gp. I'm fine either way (really!), this is just my first PFS game/chronicle so I wanted to make sure I'm not missing something?
Also, thanks for running the first one, lots of fun and really looking forward to the next one. Have fun at PAX!
Oh, Trig got an extra 10 gold on his Chronicle from his Day Job check. (Arithas got an extra *50* with his lucky 19.. :P) So if you didn't make a Day Job check, (which you couldn't have because you have no Craft/Profession/Perform ranks), you should've just gotten max GP (401).
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Arithas enjoys the party and all the scrumptious food, his questions dried up for now. In the morning, before the group leaves, he will purchase a scoll of Detect Undead, and attmpt to memorize it
The rules are on pgs. 27-28 of the APG, and pgs. 218-220 of the CRB. Basically, you can understand wizards' spells (if they're on your spell list), but they can't understand your formulae; you don't even need to decipher the magical writing, which is good. (Wizards normally use read magic to skip that tough skill check.) So, all you have to do is spend 1 hour studying the spell, make a Spellcraft check of DC 15 + spell level, and then copy it into your formula book (which takes another hour, costs money, and erases the spell from the scroll). And, unless you're studying in the middle of a busy street or something, you can probably take 10.
Trig, no. It's a ruin in the lower hills, but not in the actual mountains.