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Well there are options:
A) Its possible to scribe from npcs now apparently (I cant quote you an exact page.. Id do a thread search). Aram Bey might be good VC to pick if you are in an adventure with him.
B) Others pcs
C) Wizard enemies. PFS scenarios tend to favor Sorcs over Wizards but you do find some oh so sweet sources of Wizardly goodness occasionaly.
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The policy regarding how PFS wizards, magi, alchemists, and witches add spells/formulae to their appropriate books/familiars was updated in a PFS FAQ posting a few months ago.
Bottom line, it got much easier and cheaper to do so by bringing it in line with normal Pathfinder RPG rules. Now you can search out NPC spellcasters and pay the normal finder's fee (half the cost of scribing a spell of that level) to copy spells from their books/familiars rather than have to go the more expensive route of buying scrolls to copy. Naturally, you still get the two free spells every time you take a level of the applicable class.
Don't forget to keep your Spellcraft skill high enough so that you can just Take 10 on the check and don't waste the gold on a blown roll.
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Aha! Good to know. Thanks for sharing that useful tidbit! =)
No problem! As a player with a wizard, a witch, and a magus, I spent a lot of money on scrolls to copy before the rule was brought in line with the PFRPG rules. I have also come across more spellbooks in scenarios than people let on - be on the lookout for magi spellbooks in addition to wizards, you can copy them the same, and a fair number of players who won't run a wizard will go with a magus.
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NWOrpheus, me, IS the OP xD And no, I haven't played any of the first steps yet, unfortunately. Haven't found anyone in my local group to run em, as everyone is still caught up in Season 4 stuff. Which is fine, those are fun, too.
As to Hangar, I think he's being facetious. =P
and if I were running a FS game for you, (or any other game for that matter) and there was a spell book in it, I would mention the fact that you could copy from it. And at the end of the game, when filling out the Chronicle, I'd have you list out the spells in the book, and I'd sign off on the ones you copied to your book.
But I have found that I am the exception. Most judges don't do this (due to time, knowledge, or something else... ). I'd like to see this change... it's important for wizards/Alchemist/Magus/Witchs.... and those people who adventure with them. (if your wizard has more spells to pick from, my Rogue has an advantage... what strengthens you is good for the party and thus good for me).
That is a wonderful suggestion nosig. I need to get better at that. Make note of spellbooks and the like while prepping and make sure if the book is found to provide the list to the players.
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I have had my Wizard use Blood Transcription once
Its a bit of an iffy spell
A) How are you carrying the blood?
B) How much is used per Casting?Are questions the gm will ask possibly. j
1. Purchase a Vial
2. Undefined. Most spells requiring a material component don't specify quantity. I would ask for RAW supporting any arbitrarily assigned amount.
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http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateMagic/spells/bloodTranscription. html#_blood-transcription
"By consuming 1 pint of blood from a spellcaster killed within the last 24 hours, you can attempt to learn a spell that spellcaster knew."
The average human body has 10 pints of blood, so you can learn about 10 spells if the spellcaster was a medium humanoid.
My Bloatmage carries around a 'blood extraction kit' which consists of several empty waterskins, tubing, and needles. Hoisting the bodies for proper draining is quite tiring though...
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B) How much is used per Casting?
Blood transcription is quite clear:
By consuming 1 pint of blood from a spellcaster killed within the last 24 hours, you can attempt to learn a spell that spellcaster knew. Select one spell available to the dead spellcaster (this must be a spell on your spell list); you gain the knowledge of this spell for 24 hours. During this time, you may write it down (or teach it to your familiar, if you are a witch) using the normal rules for copying a spell from another source.
One pint = 16 oz, which is 16 vials. Bottoms up!
The average human body has 10 pints of blood, so you can learn about 10 spells if the spellcaster was a medium humanoid.
Only if you can cast that second level spell ten times within 24 hours, and this assumes the dead spellcaster knows ten spells that are on your list but you don't know yet.
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The average human body has 10 pints of blood, so you can learn about 10 spells if the spellcaster was a medium humanoid.
Only if you can cast that second level spell ten times within 24 hours, and this assumes the dead spellcaster knows ten spells that are on your list but you don't know yet.
Daniel, all of what you said is implicit in my statement. Sorry that I didn't spell it out! ;)
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Modules as well often contain very detailed spellbooks for enemy casters. In particular, rise of the runelords alone will net you almost every core rulebook spell up to 8th level. If you know you will be playing a long, many-leveled game, a blessed book is the only way to go. My wizard is presently 16th level, and has not paid one red copper for a single spell other than the cost of the blessed book itself.
Granted though, my spell selection until about level 8 was very painful. . .
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Daniel, all of what you said is implicit in my statement. Sorry that I didn't spell it out! ;)
Lol, wizard humor! As a well-prepared bloatmage you clearly have the spell down pat, I just wanted it to be clear for the other casters just being introduced to it.
At least the spell specifies a dead spellcaster, otherwise we'd start seeing the creepy habit of wizards asking their spontaneous-casting party members and NPCs for a "large blood sample" every day in lieu of looking through their non-existent spellbooks...
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Aha! Good to know. Thanks for sharing that useful tidbit! =)No problem! As a player with a wizard, a witch, and a magus, I spent a lot of money on scrolls to copy before the rule was brought in line with the PFRPG rules. I have also come across more spellbooks in scenarios than people let on - be on the lookout for magi spellbooks in addition to wizards, you can copy them the same, and a fair number of players who won't run a wizard will go with a magus.
By a little evil, you mean the spells has the evil descriptor, and is not just ooky
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So wait, I have a question about the blood transcription spell. It says you have 24 hours to use the blood, so here's a hypothetical. I'm playing my level 3+ wizard, and he has X 2nd level spell slots per day. So during the scenario, I don't prepare any blood transcription spells for the day, but we end up fighting an enemy spellcaster. Can I draw X pints of blood from him and then "after" the scenario, use the blood to learn X new spells?
Where X = number of 2nd and higher level spells (since you can prepare a lower level spell in a higher level spell slot), my understanding is yes, as long as X <= number of pints of blood in the enemy spellcaster and the number of spells he 'knew' that you can learn.
And of course the enemy spellcaster has to be dead as well.
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So wait, I have a question about the blood transcription spell. It says you have 24 hours to use the blood, so here's a hypothetical. I'm playing my level 3+ wizard, and he has X 2nd level spell slots per day. So during the scenario, I don't prepare any blood transcription spells for the day, but we end up fighting an enemy spellcaster. Can I draw X pints of blood from him and then "after" the scenario, use the blood to learn X new spells?
Like Michael said, you'd have to prepare as many uses of blood transcription on the very next day only as there are spells you'd want to learn. This could be problematic in some of the multi-day scenarios, you'd be short that many 2nd level (or higher) spells should there be an encounter the following day.
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2nd level Pearls could also be used... though if you are using more than 4 or 5 pints of blood, you might have to "purge" some of it...
(this entire topic is one of those things that make you say "Ehwww!")
Here's an interesting question...
If one of my fellow PCs dies in the game, on the way to having her raised, can I ... ah... gain a pint of blood for use? and what effect would it if she was raised before/after I cast the spell? If she was dead when I got the blood.
LOL
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If one of my fellow PCs dies in the game, on the way to having her raised, can I ... ah... gain a pint of blood for use? and what effect would it if she was raised before/after I cast the spell? If she was dead when I got the blood.
I almost made this very same comment a few posts back, but I held off. I see I'm not the only one who thought of it.
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Oh, by half scribe cost, I meant half the cost of a scroll of that spell. Isn't that what it costs to enter a spell into your spellbook, half of what a scroll would normally cost to buy?
That's what the NPC charges you to use/study their spellbook. You still need to pay normal scribe cost to scribe it into your spellbook. So a 2nd level spell from an NPC would cost 75 gp (half of 150) plus 40 gp to scribe, 115 gp total.
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Oh, by half scribe cost, I meant half the cost of a scroll of that spell. Isn't that what it costs to enter a spell into your spellbook, half of what a scroll would normally cost to buy?That's what the NPC charges you to use/study their spellbook. You still need to pay normal scribe cost to scribe it into your spellbook. So a 2nd level spell from an NPC would cost 75 gp (half of 150) plus 40 gp to scribe, 115 gp total.
Incorrect. It is half the scribing cost, not half the scroll cost.
1st level: 10 + 5 = 15
2nd level: 40 + 20 = 60
3rd level: 90 + 45 = 135
4th level: 160 + 80 = 240
5th level: 250 + 125 = 375
6th level: 360 + 180 = 540
7th level: 490 + 245 = 735
8th level: 640 + 320 = 960
9th level: 810 + 405 = 1215
For most purposes, in PFS, you probably won't need to know above the 6th level costs. Although some Seekers may have access to higher level spells, depending on class.
Magus, for instance, only needs to worry about up to 6th level slots.
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How does GM credit applied to a character(wizard) effect the learning from found spell books from a scenario/module?
Unfortunately, because that GM-credit wizard/magus didn't actually play the scenario he only qualifies for what is on the chronicle sheet, and the spellbooks are not on the chronicle.
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If one of my fellow PCs dies in the game, on the way to having her raised, can I ... ah... gain a pint of blood for use? and what effect would it if she was raised before/after I cast the spell? If she was dead when I got the blood.I almost made this very same comment a few posts back, but I held off. I see I'm not the only one who thought of it.
But my questions still stand...
If a spell casteris dead when you get the blood, but is later raised...
a) what (if any) effect would it [have] if she was raised before I cast the spell? If she was dead when I got the blood.
b) what (if any) effect would it [have] if she was raised AFTER I cast the spell? If she was dead when I got the blood.
I think you would be better served by starting a new thread in the rules forum on this question. It isn't PFS specific.