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MrSin wrote:Feral wrote:It also has no auras or smite, and relies on a mount that he may very well not be able to use in the adventure. Barbarians can have a righteous rampage and be NG. They can also be paladin like. Rangers can get a mount and spell casting, and with those skill points can fill a variety of roles. They also have full BAB and plenty of other nifty things.Cavalier.
It's paladin-like and without alignment restrictions.
As far as the no mount, issue? Make a small sized cavalier! Gobbos work great, or halflings. Gobbos even get ride bonuses, iirc.
The trick is, since your mount is medium, it can go anywhere the rest of the party can, for the most part. I've always been amused at people's avoidance at 'smaller dice' for small weapons. But really, the average damage of your diceroll between 1d8 and 1d6, or 1d6 and 1d4, even, isn't that substantial when your damage bonuses = +10, and you get a +1 size bonus to attacks and AC =P
Are goblins legal characters in PFS?

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NWOrpheus wrote:Are goblins legal characters in PFS?MrSin wrote:Feral wrote:It also has no auras or smite, and relies on a mount that he may very well not be able to use in the adventure. Barbarians can have a righteous rampage and be NG. They can also be paladin like. Rangers can get a mount and spell casting, and with those skill points can fill a variety of roles. They also have full BAB and plenty of other nifty things.Cavalier.
It's paladin-like and without alignment restrictions.
As far as the no mount, issue? Make a small sized cavalier! Gobbos work great, or halflings. Gobbos even get ride bonuses, iirc.
The trick is, since your mount is medium, it can go anywhere the rest of the party can, for the most part. I've always been amused at people's avoidance at 'smaller dice' for small weapons. But really, the average damage of your diceroll between 1d8 and 1d6, or 1d6 and 1d4, even, isn't that substantial when your damage bonuses = +10, and you get a +1 size bonus to attacks and AC =P
No they are not legal. Halfling, and Gnome are the only legal small races. With out haven a special boon to let you play a unusual race.

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Danbala: Have you considered from the above list a Paladin of Kurgess? Hes a Demigod associated with Sport, Competition and Self Sacrifice (and hey Paladins are all about the latter :) )
His Clergy get along famously with both the churches of Desna and Cayden Cailean and are always welcome in both.
It would not be out of place at all for a Paladin of Kurgess to be escorting a Cleric of Cayden as they get on so well with each other.
I believe his Holy Weapon is a Javelin and is of Taldan origins (if that matters)
Quoted because this is just an awesome idea.

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Only for a very small amount of people who received a certain boon at a con in Americaland. I have no idea how many there are. As a rule no, Goblins are not legal.
As the mount has to be one size bigger than you and due to the locations where you are traveling a lot of people play smaller mounted characters in PFS because of the size issues. One small character, one medium sized mount. Having said that, I do not know of anyone locally playing a Cavalier at all.

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Pity that Gobs aren't PFS legal. xD Sorry, I'm new.
All the same, gnome and halfling Cavaliers can work out rather well. In fact, I've got a concept for a Halfling Cav, order of the Cockatrice (think Chihuahua syndrome).
Something like this guy, but a halfling, instead of strange fox-goblin creature thing.
http://i41.tinypic.com/2uqnmhj.jpg

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I've done perfectly well with my Paladin of Gozreh (yes, with a big P), I don't see why you cannot find some way to use the original classes and roleplay anything you want.
All perfectly fine as long as you aren't playing in the Pathfinder Society Organized Play Campaign (PFS) where that isn't a legal choice (see my post toward the start of the thread for rules source). In a home game the GM can allow whatever she wants.

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I think people get too focused on the mounted aspect of cavalier(probably do to the name).
Cavalier is a great frontline tanky class, even if you are never on your mount. Just don't focus or spend feats on the class ability you won't use that often.
I've seen cavaliers in both PFS and an AP that I'm running that totally rock, even though they rarely get to use their horses.
A Battle Oracle of Cayden Cailean is very similar to a paladin, and their is a prestige class called Chevaliar (or something like that) that gives paladin powers to worshipers of Cayden Cailean. Don't know if it's PFS legal, though. But I think your best money is on Order of The Star Cavalier (or even samurai). Definitly the closest to paladin, and a great class right from the start.

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List of available Gods for Paladin characters (Aroden while also in the alignment zone is kinda dead. Thus no Paladins)Abadar
Alseta
Andoletta
Angradd
Apsu
Arshea
Bolka
Chaldira Zuzaristan
Dranngvit
Erastil
Folgrit
Grundinnar
Iomedae
Irori
Kols
Korada
Kurgess
Magrim
Ragathiel
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Trudd
Yuelral
Twice now I have run into people saying Irori doesn't accept paladins, one of them following up with "but abadar does". Neither could cite this. Do you have any idea why this might be said?

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Matthew Pittard wrote:Twice now I have run into people saying Irori doesn't accept paladins, one of them following up with "but abadar does". Neither could cite this. Do you have any idea why this might be said?
List of available Gods for Paladin characters (Aroden while also in the alignment zone is kinda dead. Thus no Paladins)Abadar
Alseta
Andoletta
Angradd
Apsu
Arshea
Bolka
Chaldira Zuzaristan
Dranngvit
Erastil
Folgrit
Grundinnar
Iomedae
Irori
Kols
Korada
Kurgess
Magrim
Ragathiel
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Trudd
Yuelral
From "Faiths of Balance", Abadar is stated to be the only neutral deity that supports a paladin order. This is true of the major deities I believe.
However, this does not mean that Irori does not have paladins. It just means there is no centralized order for these individuals to belong to. Just as Irori was about personal accomplishment, I think this fits the theme very well.

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From "Faiths of Balance", Abadar is stated to be the only neutral deity that supports a paladin order. This is true of the major deities I believe.
However, this does not mean that Irori does not have paladins. It just means there is no centralized order for these individuals to belong to. Just as Irori was about personal accomplishment, I think this fits the theme very well.
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Someone just needs to type up a full list of Deities which can have Paladins and put it in the sticky. Since it's unlikely there are going to be even more Gods released, I wouldnt see the need to update this very often.
Any diety with the following alignments, Lawful Neutral, Neutral Good, Lawful Good.
That's it.

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Good point. What I need is a front line fighter ("party tank" for those who play MMO's) ideally with some sort of connection to Cayden Cailean either in terms of theme or game mechanic. It seems like Inquisitor is too squishy. Cavlier seems good but there seems to be emphasis on a mount which strikes me as something that might not come up much. Are mounts often useful in PFS games?
I am imagine a fighter archetype like "temple guard" or something similar. Cad is flavorful but mechanically he shouldn't "tank." Drunken Brute can tank -- I think -- but sounds like a bit of a bully rather than a defender of the weak.
The Inquisitor is a versatile class with large damage potential. Their use of teamwork feats and counting all allies as if they too had the feats makes for some crazy action during combat. I am not sure what PFS will let you get away with though (see Escape Route). Before you fully give up on Inquisitor take a look at the domains you get with Cayden Cailean, especially Travel. With that domain you can wear Medium or Heavy armor and keep your 30 foot movement. If you take a level of fighter you get all the armors and all the weapons (except exotics). The Inquisitor makes up for lower health (D8) by having immediate access to spells such as Cure Light wounds.

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As Sniggevert suggested, Faiths of Balance is a good read re divine servants. Also while many Gods have orders of Paladins , Im sure not all do (In fact I think If far more likely that the Lawful LN/LG Gods there would be multiple orders) whereas I think you would be lucky to find any NG Gods with orders of Paladins. They would likely be the more itinerant style of wandering Paladins.
Id love to see a Paladin of Yuelral (Perhaps Paladins dedicated to the protection of Ancient Elvish ruins where their magics are not for others)
Yuelral is the Elven goddess of magic. She is a patron of both divine and arcane magic but prefers magic that deals with the natural world rather than magic that deals with metal and other artificial things. She is frequently worshiped by jewelers because of her affinity with crystals. These jewelers never cut their crystals, instead embracing their natural beauty. Yuelral is quick to embrace half elves, seeing past their mixed heritage to what lies within.
Another far trickier one to pull off would be a Paladin of Dranngvit. Im not sure how a Portfolio of Vengeance is going to mesh with an LG Paladin. You could look at them as the divine vessels who strike back in retribution over those who despoil Dwarven halls/vaults (however considering the Pathfinder Society is normally involved with the despoiling part).

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List of available Gods for Paladin characters (Aroden while also in the alignment zone is kinda dead. Thus no Paladins)Abadar
Alseta
Andoletta
Angradd
Apsu
Arshea
Bolka
Chaldira Zuzaristan
Dranngvit
Erastil
Folgrit
Grundinnar
Iomedae
Irori
Kols
Korada
Kurgess
Magrim
Ragathiel
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Trudd
Yuelral
You can also now add the empyreal lords from Chronicle of the Righteous.
NG
Bharnarol
Eritrice
Halcamora
Irez
Jaidz
Korada
Lorris
Lythertida
Ondisso
Rowdrosh
Shei
Uskyeria
Ylimancha
Arshea
Benorus
Dalenydra
Seramaydiel
Soralyon
LG
Lymnieris
Neshen
Ragathiel
Vildeis
Andoletta
Arqueros
Damerrich
Eldas
Falayna
Ghenshau
Kelinahat
Kroina
Olheon
Smiad
Svarozic
Tanagaar
Winlas
Zohls

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Oh I know its possible, I was simply wondering how it would play.. from an rp perspective.
Although with the addition of the Gods from Chronicle of the Righteous we now have some choices with very.... different tones.
Lymneiris : areas of concern ( Prostitution, Rites of Passage, Virginity)
or
Ghenshau: areas of concern (Ignorance, Placidity, simplicity) {For the Paladin with the dump Int stat? :) }
or
Eldas: areas of concern (Architecture, Masonry, Planning)
or
(my personal favorite)
Eritrice: areas of concern (Debate, opinions, truth)

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Oh I know its possible, I was simply wondering how it would play.. from an rp perspective.
Although with the addition of the Gods from Chronicle of the Righteous we now have some choices with very.... different tones.
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Eldas: areas of concern (Architecture, Masonry, Planning)
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Anyone else tempted by the dwarf Paladin of this guy
"That pointing dont look right to me Sonny"

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Matthew Pittard wrote:
List of available Gods for Paladin characters (Aroden while also in the alignment zone is kinda dead. Thus no Paladins)Abadar
Alseta
Andoletta
Angradd
Apsu
Arshea
Bolka
Chaldira Zuzaristan
Dranngvit
Erastil
Folgrit
Grundinnar
Iomedae
Irori
Kols
Korada
Kurgess
Magrim
Ragathiel
Sarenrae
Shelyn
Torag
Trudd
YuelralYou can also now add the empyreal lords from Chronicle of the Righteous.
NG
Bharnarol
Eritrice
Halcamora
Irez
Jaidz
Korada
Lorris
Lythertida
Ondisso
Rowdrosh
Shei
Uskyeria
Ylimancha
Arshea
Benorus
Dalenydra
Seramaydiel
SoralyonLG
Lymnieris
Neshen
Ragathiel
Vildeis
Andoletta
Arqueros
Damerrich
Eldas
Falayna
Ghenshau
Kelinahat
Kroina
Olheon
Smiad
Svarozic
Tanagaar
Winlas
Zohls
Sorry to necro but I am sure that other folks with the google will find this page like I did, also worth noting that the additional resources page says "Pathfinder Adventure Path #80 "Empty Graves"
... Gods: the gods on page 65-75 are legal for play"I believe that means you can add:
Anubis (LN)
Bes (NG)
Horus (LN)
Isis (NG)
Khepri (NG)
Maat (LN)
Neith (NG)
Osiris (LG)
Ra (LN)
Thoth (LN)
Wadjet (LG)
To the list of gods acceptable for Paladins to worship in PFS play