Political correctness goes too far....all the time


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This for god's sake

While i understand the notion i have several gripes about this.
1. Those holidays happen on weekends AFAIK. How can a school forbid students to do things outside of it?
2. Banning a specific holiday because it might offend someone is ridiculous. If we do that we must ban all religious holidays then. I'm sure that someone finds Easter or Ramadan offensive.
3. Because a kid has two moms or doesn't have a dad, other kids with dads shouldn't celebrate father's day? Really? That is stupidity of highest order. I have broken all relations with my father (long story, irrelevant to the discussion), and thus i should get miffed at my neighbor who celebrates father's day by taking his awesome dad out for a night of fun?
4. You just cannot appease everyone, because you are trying to appease humanity, and that is impossible.

Silver Crusade

So, they're not trying to appease you. That's all there is to it.


Do you look for these things, Hama, or do you just stumble upon them? XD


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I immediately have three questions that the link conspicuously fails to answer: What school? Where in Canada? Is there indeed any truth to this factoid whatsoever?

Heck, I'll toss in a fourth: Where did this "clipping" appear?


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Seems to me like a really bad peice of journalism to me. No school can ban people from this outside of shool. I think maybe what the school is saying is that they will not be advocating Mothers and Fathers day at the school ie no lessons or activites will mention it or evolve around it. They will instead be observing an international day.

The journalist I think is just posting it as sensationalism to get peoples reactions up...like Hama's.


Hama wrote:

This for god's sake

While i understand the notion i have several gripes about this.
1. Those holidays happen on weekends AFAIK. How can a school forbid students to do things outside of it?

I strongly doubt the school's are forbidding children to do anything outside of school.

What they are probably doing is not having special Mother's or Father's Day activities in school: making cards or whatever. IIRC my elementary school days that kind of thing was common for holidays.

It's not so much that you should get miffed at your neighbor as you shouldn't be told in school that today's project is make a card for your father when you don't have one.


John Mangrum wrote:

I immediately have three questions that the link conspicuously fails to answer: What school? Where in Canada? Is there indeed any truth to this factoid whatsoever?

Heck, I'll toss in a fourth: Where did this "clipping" appear?

A Dartmouth Elementary school in Nova Scotia? As it says in the clipping, which you must have read since that's the only place Canada was mentioned.

It appears to be the "Astral Drive Elementary School"

And yes, it looks like the big complaint is that kids don't make Mother's Day cards. My heart bleeds. The PC police are destroying America. (Or Canada, in this case.)

Liberty's Edge

It reminds me of an article I read where an 18 year old girl got arrested for sexual activities with a 15 year old girl. People commenting on the article were yelling discrimination and complaining that it was right. Yet when guys get arrested for being with a 15 year old girl there's no outrage.

Equal rights should mean equal, same punishments when they break the law, same holidays (how's an orphan going to feel on international family day?), etc.


Might not be true, but it's good for stirring up self-righteous outrage.

Was this on theBlaze.com, or a Fox affiliate?

Sovereign Court

It just concerns me as a rizing trend. First one school in Canada...then others, then an official ban of mother's and father's day. Because it might hurt or offend someone.
It's just like Russia banning the pride because it offends their government. It's bigoted and wrong.
I for one embrace diversity. Yes, there are people with two moms or two dads, or people who've lost a parent. But, why is it wrong for people to celebrate something because others cant?
Of course, if a kid doesn't have a dad nobody,in their right mind should be telling them to make a,father's day card. But teachers know their kids, i'm sure they would help those less fortunate.
I have a friend who lost jis dad in Bosnia. So when father's day came (we were kids then) he would brood in a corner. So all of us made father's day cards, went with him to his dad's grave and put the cards on the grave.
You don't ban something because someone might get upset over it. You help them work through that.


It's a long and slippery slope from one school in Canada not having Mother's/Father's day activities to outright banning the holidays.
Not something worth worrying about, IMO. We've got much bigger problems.


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Hama wrote:

This for god's sake

While i understand the notion i have several gripes about this.
1. Those holidays happen on weekends AFAIK. How can a school forbid students to do things outside of it?
2. Banning a specific holiday because it might offend someone is ridiculous. If we do that we must ban all religious holidays then. I'm sure that someone finds Easter or Ramadan offensive.
3. Because a kid has two moms or doesn't have a dad, other kids with dads shouldn't celebrate father's day? Really? That is stupidity of highest order. I have broken all relations with my father (long story, irrelevant to the discussion), and thus i should get miffed at my neighbor who celebrates father's day by taking his awesome dad out for a night of fun?
4. You just cannot appease everyone, because you are trying to appease humanity, and that is impossible.

5. You only get to have one holiday instead of two!


Bah...Mother's Day and Father's Day are not even real Holidays. They are a created artifice so Hallmark can sell crap.

Though a little more seriousness...why 'International Day'? Why not Family Day to replace it?


John Kretzer wrote:

Bah...Mother's Day and Father's Day are not even real Holidays. They are a created artifice so Hallmark can sell crap.

Though a little more seriousness...why 'International Day'? Why not Family Day to replace it?

It's "International Day of Families", not just International Day.

And it's apparently a real thing. Established by the UN General Assembly in 1992, according to Wikipedia.
So rather than make their own holiday, the school chose to observe an existing one.

Sovereign Court

What about people who get offended by international family day and want to celebrate the former?


Hama wrote:
What about people who get offended by international family day and want to celebrate the former?

I give up. You're right. The only possible solution is to have schools only have their kids do activities related to traditional holidays. Say those that date back before 1970. (Maybe 1950, but that might be a little too early.)

That keeps all those weird non-Christian religious holidays that might bother someone out.

Alternately we could just ban schools from observing any holidays at all. That might be even safer.


Hama wrote:
What about people who get offended by international family day and want to celebrate the former?

More seriously, celebrate whatever you want. No one is stopping you.

The sum difference here is that this school is making Family Day cards and things instead of Mother's Day one and they're doing it a few days later. It isn't some giant PC conspiracy that's going to keep you from bonding with your Dad or make you hate your neighbor for doing so.


Reported here
http://www.examiner.com/article/canada-school-does-away-with-school-holiday -mother-s-day-and-father-s-day-gone

and here
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/no-more-father-s-mother-s-day-school-nixes-cel ebration-in-the-post-nuclear-age-1.1287370

(Sorry, I don't have mad linking skills)


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thejeff wrote:
The only possible solution is to have schools only have their kids do activities related to traditional holidays. Say those that date back before 1970.

I don't think you're going nearly far enough. Let's ban all holidays that are < 2,000 years old!


Kirth Gersen wrote:
thejeff wrote:
The only possible solution is to have schools only have their kids do activities related to traditional holidays. Say those that date back before 1970.
I don't think you're going nearly far enough. Let's ban all holidays that are < 2,000 years old!

Do we get to bring back all the holidays that are more than 2000 years old?

All of them? From every culture?
I'm in favor of the Old Testament Jubilee. Free all the slaves, forgive all debt, every 50(?) years.

And I did choose 1970 partly because Father's Day only became official in the US in '72.

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Today is National Vanilla Pudding Day. I hope the school is open-minded enough to acknowledge vanilla pudding lovers.


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Well, that'll teach me to read tabloid agitprop right after I've woken up.


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thejeff wrote:
It isn't some giant PC conspiracy that's going to keep you from bonding with your Dad or make you hate your neighbor for doing so.

Actually it is. The ghost of Herbert Marcuse told me about it the other day. And we would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you nosy kids!


thejeff wrote:


That keeps all those weird non-Christian religious holidays that might bother someone out.

It would have to be earlier than 1970, as that invites the risk of Kwanzaa. Can't have that, after all.


But you CAN'T do away with Halloween and Christmas--the economy would collapse!


So, what happens if I divide this "Hama is offended" thread by that Hama thread? It's a bit ironic, don't ya think?


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What if you don't have a family? Because when you were little a band of "heroes" murdered everyone you knew and loved and then argued among themselves about whether killing you would offend the paladin's "code of honor", and finally decided to hogtie you and bring you to a school with disgusting little pinkskins, and made you do math, and wear shoes, huh? What do you do then?

Where's my holiday?!?


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thejeff wrote:
I'm in favor of the Old Testament Jubilee. Free all the slaves, forgive all debt, every 50(?) years.

Vive le Galt!


Baby Doodlebug wrote:

What if you don't have a family? Because when you were little a band of "heroes" murdered everyone you knew and loved and then argued among themselves about whether killing you would offend the paladin's "code of honor", and finally decided to hogtie you and bring you to a school with disgusting little pinkskins, and made you do math, and wear shoes, huh? What do you do then?

Where's my holiday?!?

Sadly, I have a serious answer.

That's November: Native American Heritage Month


Alanis Morissette wrote:
So, what happens if I divide this "Hama is offended" thread by that Hama thread? It's a bit ironic, don't ya think?

Yeah, it's funny how a lot of this boils down to "I'm offended by you being offended. You have to stop being offended."


thejeff wrote:

Sadly, I have a serious answer.

That's November: Native American Heritage Month

Goblin Orphan Babies Idle No More!

EDIT--Your link is broken, Comrade Jeff.


Meh, who cares? If you're only taking one day out of the year to appreciate your parents, then there's something wrong here.

Besides, we're all worm food anyways. Whining over holidays is meaningless.


C S Lewis wrote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
C S Lewis wrote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Oh migod! The elementary school is tyrannizing me by not having my kid make Mother's Day cards. It's the end of civilization!!!


thejeff wrote:
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
C S Lewis wrote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Oh migod! The elementary school is tyrannizing me by not having my kid make Mother's Day cards. It's the end of civilization!!!

Apparently you know what's best for us thejeff...


Sad how you have to be exclusive to be inclusive...

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Hama wrote:

This for god's sake

While i understand the notion i have several gripes about this.
1. Those holidays happen on weekends AFAIK. How can a school forbid students to do things outside of it?
2. Banning a specific holiday because it might offend someone is ridiculous. If we do that we must ban all religious holidays then. I'm sure that someone finds Easter or Ramadan offensive.
3. Because a kid has two moms or doesn't have a dad, other kids with dads shouldn't celebrate father's day? Really? That is stupidity of highest order. I have broken all relations with my father (long story, irrelevant to the discussion), and thus i should get miffed at my neighbor who celebrates father's day by taking his awesome dad out for a night of fun?
4. You just cannot appease everyone, because you are trying to appease humanity, and that is impossible.

I see nothing wrong with a school not celebrating holidays. Frankly, if I had children, I'd rather have them spend their time in school learning and leave celebrating holidays to their time with their families.

The school isn't banning people from celebrating at home, as far as I can tell. It's saying the holidays aren't going to be celebrated at the school.


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
C S Lewis wrote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Oh migod! The elementary school is tyrannizing me by not having my kid make Mother's Day cards. It's the end of civilization!!!
Apparently you know what's best for us thejeff...

So do you. You apparently think that schools having Mother's Day activities is best.

Personally, I don't really care. I do think that getting a Family Day card instead of a Mother's Day card and getting it a few days later is really just not a big deal.


Jessica Price wrote:
I see nothing wrong with a school not celebrating holidays. Frankly, if I had children, I'd rather have them spend their time in school learning and leave celebrating holidays to their time with their families.

[Millions of teachers worldwide, burdened with over-sized classes of inattentive brats, stare daggers at Ms. Price for suggesting adding to their lesson plans.]

Sovereign Court

I doubt this story is legit, not just because I live in Nova Scotia, and not just because Dartmouth is a small city in of itself and there's at least half a dozen elementary schools in the area, but I doubt it true because Dartmouth is part of Halifax now and their school board is part of the Halifax regional school board. Actions like this (I'd think) would need to be approved by a school board and the Halifax Regional School board is probably more dysfunctional then the US house of Representatives and the US Senate combined. They recently had to adjourn a meeting because they couldn't agree on seating arrangements of it's members. I can't imagine them okaying anything like this. If this school went rogue and wrote up these rules just for their own school I haven't heard anything about it. You'd think that if a school in my area decided not to celebrate mother's day or father's day (and by celebrate I'd assume that means making cards with macaroni or glitter or something) that I'd hear something about it on the local news.

Now having said all that, and assuming that I missed some local kerfuffle on the news, I have to say it's really no big deal. Kids are being sent to school to learn skills necessary to be productive members of society. We in Canada accept that religion has no place in our schools, why would we then accept holidays that harken to a rigid and outdated family structure?


thejeff, I don't really care about Mother's day in school or out. It falls into the category I call "Hallmark Holidays" that were literally lobbied for by the greeting card industry.

However, this does fit into the general realm of the tyranny of good intentions. Which is what political correctness is all about. Which is why it's on topic to post that quote.


It's all my fault.

*hangs head in shame*

*it falls off and rolls to the curb*


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How does the alleged replacing of two Hallmark Holidays with one Hallmark Holiday constitute tyranny?


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
How does the alleged replacing of two Hallmark Holidays with one Hallmark Holiday constitute tyranny?

I think you need to miss the profound irony of the Lewis quote for that to make any damned sense. Possibly being caned "for your own good" at an elite British prep school is also required.

Silver Crusade

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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
However, this does fit into the general realm of the tyranny of good intentions. Which is what political correctness is all about. Which is why it's on topic to post that quote.

I like that we're entering a time when seeing the phrase "political correctness" in someone's argument is the new Godwin's Law; anybody using it to refute a position is automatically wrong.


|dvh| wrote:
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
However, this does fit into the general realm of the tyranny of good intentions. Which is what political correctness is all about. Which is why it's on topic to post that quote.
I like that we're entering a time when seeing the phrase "political correctness" in someone's argument is the new Godwin's Law; anybody using it to refute a position is automatically wrong.

LOL, you asserting something doesn't make it true.


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Adamantine Dragon wrote:

thejeff, I don't really care about Mother's day in school or out. It falls into the category I call "Hallmark Holidays" that were literally lobbied for by the greeting card industry.

However, this does fit into the general realm of the tyranny of good intentions. Which is what political correctness is all about. Which is why it's on topic to post that quote.

Or possibly just good intentions without the tyranny. It is possible, you know.

The quote claims that tyranny with good intentions is the most dangerous kind. It does not claim that good intentions are bad. You've still got to show me the tyranny.

Or is it just that anything done for the good of a minority group is "political correctness", which means it's always bad?

Silver Crusade

Adamantine Dragon wrote:
|dvh| wrote:
Adamantine Dragon wrote:
However, this does fit into the general realm of the tyranny of good intentions. Which is what political correctness is all about. Which is why it's on topic to post that quote.
I like that we're entering a time when seeing the phrase "political correctness" in someone's argument is the new Godwin's Law; anybody using it to refute a position is automatically wrong.
LOL, you asserting something doesn't make it true.

Likewise.


So they got rid of two evil corporate captalist holidays and replaced with a evil corrupt one world goverement created holiday...this is not PC...it is just kids wasting their time in school.

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