Desperate times definitely call for housewives.
Anyway, Goblins are stupid mean little things. Have the Witch or the Ninja set a dog or horse on fire, and just start pretending they're just a part of the goblin crew. Ninjas should be good in blending in, right? And just walk with them until you two can just quietly slip away on the next exit.
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Do you have a holocaust cloak?
Without knowing what you resources have available or the terrain the best advice I can give is to set some stuff on fire and run away.
Can the ninja hide and do stealth things, or is he the Mortal Kombat kind of 'ninja'?
I would suggest doing as much healing as you can, find a 5 story drop to the ocean that's not too bad a swim from one of the beaches you said you saw (obviously one you can't get to from the top). Drop your gear to the beach, run down, and leap into the ocean, and swim to the beach.
Yes, you're trapping yourself on the beach, but if you can do so without the goblin's seeing you, you can hide out (hopefully there will be some overhang from the cliff face to hide you) and heal up and let the witch get their spells back and heal up fully. Then you can either wait for reinforcements, or see if there's enough driftwood to make a raft to get out of Dodge.
Five story drops into ocean water is not bad, I've done half that myself without any training or injury. Keep your boots on, jump in feet first. If possible, strap some floats to yourself before you drop (if you have anything that's floaty, empty air filled water skins, etc).
Seems like running and hiding may be the appropriate action. Try to avoid the goblins for as long as possible. Perhaps you can try to fashion some rope out of some plants. You just take thin long plants and cut them apart into as fine of fibers as you can get. Then you can use the additional rope to help you get across. Alternatively, the ninja could try to sneak in at night and steal some rope?
In any event, hiding and running away and crossing to the other side should probably be your priority. The goblins will probably give up looking after a few hours.
MDT - from what the original poster told us, I think there's Something Nasty in the waters around the island.
Yes, but there's dozens of nasty goblins out of the water.
So, pick your poison, the dozens of nasty goblins who want to skin you alive to make pretty picture pages out of your skin, or the nasty in the water that you don't know about, and swim 30-50 feet in 12-24 seconds.
Of the two, I think I'd take my chances on the waters. First, the nasty has to notice me jumping in (not hard), then has to swim to me, and then kill me. Meanwhile, I get 1-2 rounds of swimming to get toward the beach,a nd hopefully into shallow enough water to fight/defend/run.
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Ok, Here is what you do: Get the goblins together, cast glitterdust to blind them. Then cast obscuring mist. Then cast Ventriloquism to make it sound like people are coming from a different direction. The goblins with either run away or run to investigate the ghost sounds, giving you more time to find a better position.
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Goblins are vicious, sadistic idiots most of the time. That's your best advantage.
The goblins are going to come after you, if nothing else they're going to search the island thoroughly. That includes the beach, hiding isn't going to work well.
However, this means the goblins have their ire up and are looking for a fight. Give it to them.
Get into an open area up on the clifftop, cast obscuring mist and make some noise. The mist will foil ranged attacks and the goblins -- being as dumb as a sack of hammers -- will come running into the mist.
Reward them with glitterdust.
Goblins have awful will saves, so more than half will likely fail. A 10' radius spread should catch quite a lot of them.
Then, ghost sound off the cliff. They'll be blinded and, hopefully, run like lemmings off of the cliff to their doom. Any stragglers should be able to be taken out by the ninja, hopefully.
How did you failed the perception check for the bridge? iirc the dc was quite low
Anyway take your chances and try to climb down the stone head the goblin fortress is built on and try to swim back to shore.
By the way has your group been to the catacombs of wrath yet?
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Goblins are vicious, sadistic idiots most of the time. That's your best advantage.
The goblins are going to come after you, if nothing else they're going to search the island thoroughly. That includes the beach, hiding isn't going to work well.
However, this means the goblins have their ire up and are looking for a fight. Give it to them.
Get into an open area up on the clifftop, cast obscuring mist and make some noise. The mist will foil ranged attacks and the goblins -- being as dumb as a sack of hammers -- will come running into the mist.
Reward them with glitterdust.
Goblins have awful will saves, so more than half will likely fail. A 10' radius spread should catch quite a lot of them.
Then, ghost sound off the cliff. They'll be blinded and, hopefully, run like lemmings off of the cliff to their doom. Any stragglers should be able to be taken out by the ninja, hopefully.
this, there are more to spells and combat in general than raw damage dealing, witches are int based characters, act like it :)
Plus if I recall correctly, the mist should net your ninja a few sneek attacks.
If the ninja and the goblins are in the mist, they both have concealment from each other. Therefore, no sneak attacks. Also, a sleep spell could easily put 4 of the goblins to sleep. That makes for easy coups de grace from the ninja.
On another note, yes how the hell did you fail the perception check for the bridge? It's fairly low. Also, I just went through this like 2 weeks ago and I don't remember any goblin commandos. Although my group only has 4 people in it, so maybe that's a step up for a 5+ person group or something.
I am pretty sure he means the goblin rangers.
I still can't understand how they failed the perception check, i have seen parties fall for that trap but only becuase they weren't suspicious about the bridge and they didn't check it.
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From the OP description, I feel like they attacked the stronghold of a clan of lethal ninjas rather than the derelict warrens of dumb disorganized goblins.
Surrender and trade your life for info you can give them on how to better attack surrounding settlements. Also you can propose to join their tribe for a time to help them with these attacks.
You have no skill in Bluff ? That does not matter when you are not lying.
Hmm they're goblins, right?
What about blinding them with Glitterdust and then use Ventriloquism to trap them into crossing the bridge or simply fall into the water (you'd discover if/what lies into it as a bonus)
How did you failed the perception check for the bridge? iirc the dc was quite low
Anyway take your chances and try to climb down the stone head the goblin fortress is built on and try to swim back to shore.By the way has your group been to the catacombs of wrath yet?
I agree with the first question here, not that it's relevant here. I remember that we got a perception check or knowledge engineering check to determine that the bridge was pretty weak. Even without the check, why would anyone purposefully walk onto that bridge with more than one at a time without checking? I also remember it being water below the bridge, and not too far down that someone falling would auto-die.
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This is the stuff legends are made of...If you survive, you will be telling that story for years to come.
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This is the stuff legends are made of...If you survive, you will be telling that story for years to come.
or some version that puts your actions in a more favorable light. ;-)
Goblins are vicious, sadistic idiots most of the time. That's your best advantage.
The goblins are going to come after you, if nothing else they're going to search the island thoroughly. That includes the beach, hiding isn't going to work well.
However, this means the goblins have their ire up and are looking for a fight. Give it to them.
Get into an open area up on the clifftop, cast obscuring mist and make some noise. The mist will foil ranged attacks and the goblins -- being as dumb as a sack of hammers -- will come running into the mist.
Reward them with glitterdust.
Goblins have awful will saves, so more than half will likely fail. A 10' radius spread should catch quite a lot of them.
Then, ghost sound off the cliff. They'll be blinded and, hopefully, run like lemmings off of the cliff to their doom. Any stragglers should be able to be taken out by the ninja, hopefully.
OK, they may be idiots but they aren't stupid. I'm blinded and disorientated and I'm basically a coward, am I really gonna run after some people who can obviously kill me while I can't see? No, I'm gonna run away and come back later when I can see again.
Also, I am in absolute fear and awe of magic. This is obviously magic. Killing them people is gonna be suicidal. Unless I am driven to it by a bigger Boss, I'm gonna steer well clear of them and hope they go away. making them go away is the bosses problem.
For the bosses, unless they are powerful enough to take the PC's, their best option is to parley. You want them to go away sharpish, They want to go away sharpish. Rebuild the bridge, they go away, problem solved...for now. If an opportunity arises to kill them, take it, but don't be stupid.
If the Goblins have a Shaman or suchlike, he may object to you stealing his schtick. he may challenge you to a magical duel, but fighting 1 Goblin is much better than fighting dozens.
Ultimately it is up to the GM how he plays the Goblins, but that is how I would do it.
I would suggest doing as much healing as you can, find a 5 story drop to the ocean that's not too bad a swim from one of the beaches you said you saw (obviously one you can't get to from the top). Drop your gear to the beach, run down, and leap into the ocean, and swim to the beach.
Yes, you're trapping yourself on the beach, but if you can do so without the goblin's seeing you, you can hide out (hopefully there will be some overhang from the cliff face to hide you) and heal up and let the witch get their spells back and heal up fully. Then you can either wait for reinforcements, or see if there's enough driftwood to make a raft to get out of Dodge.
Five story drops into ocean water is not bad, I've done half that myself without any training or injury. Keep your boots on, jump in feet first. If possible, strap some floats to yourself before you drop (if you have anything that's floaty, empty air filled water skins, etc).
OK, If I'm a goblin boss, the one thing I like doing is sending out my minions to search through the flotsam that washes up on the beaches...it's one of the favourite things a goblin likes to do. If there isn't a tunnel down to the beach, i would have one built. I would assume that the goblins have chosen to live here to do just that, especially as there is something in the water that presumably causes such flotsam.
Going down to the beach would not be a bad idea if you can find the goblin tunnel and then hide in the lower bowels of the outpost. The goblins probably won't think to look for you there. getting back out is going to be a nightmare, you will probably have to sit tight and wait for rescue, and hope you aren't discovered. Beware of a strange creature called Gollum.
I would be interested in how this all played out. Let us know when you resume this adventure and what happened.
My character was very suspicious of the bridge, I had the DM describe it several times. I lacked any true knowledge engineering then bombed my straight INT roll. Instead I suggested the most sneaky of us ( ninja) cross and inspect it. She interpreted it as look for enemies. If she was a straight rogue her trap finding would have kicked in but not so much for a ninja.
I'm liking the spell tactics I'm here, just worried about action economy. Those little vicious goblins mve pretty fast and usually in groups. If ninja can keep them off me I think we'll be okay. I think the thing I'll take to heart is play the super Intelligence correctly. I have a bit of habit of over thinking and elaborate planning while the rest of the group is an act first type of mind set.
To be honest I'm excited how it worked out. Gives the surviving heroes a chance to play against type. The Witch has always been more then happy to let others get their hands dirty, now he's forced to step up and get involved. The Ninja is an painfully shy fletchling who is suspicious of everything, now her life is the hands of another. Their survival depending on how much they trust each other. The fighter is laid back follower, now has to lead a rescue to save her friends.. That's good story telling. Accidental but man if it isn't fun.
Ok you seem to have a few things confused about traps, first of all the GM allowing you a knowledge engineering was him being nice since there is no such rule, secondly you check for traps by making perception checks which anyone can do, and thirdly the trapfinding wouldn't have allowed a rogue (or anyone who has trapfinding) to find the trap if he wasn't actively looking for traps, the way to check for traps without looking for them is the rogue talent trap spotter.