No, we will more then likely get 1 great old one so they can spread them around in different books;) But if you could only pick one great old one to make it into B5, what would it be?
Yig would be the one I want. I could see him as a patron of serpentfolk. Definitely would dig that.
I thought we were out of non-copyrighted, non-linked to Golarion Great Old Ones? A lot of the others were actually invented by other authors, not Lovecraft.
Dagon is still missing. He was made by Lovecraft and as far as I know completely public domain.
Chaugnar Faugn was not by Lovecraft but he was from 1931 so he might be public domain by now.
Nug and Yeb are both Lovecraft but pretty much entirely undetailed.
Ghatanothoa is from a colaboration with Lovecraft by another author so I'm not sure of its status.
Yig is all Lovecraft.
Tsathoggua is also public domain.
Dagon is already stated as a Demon Lord in the Bestiary 4
Yig is definitely open content and I think it would appeal to the more pulpy, Conan type adventures with scheming serpentfolk.
I totally goofed on Dagon due to how distinct the Demon Lord and Lovecraft monsters are.
Copyright is pretty complicated. Generally it's 50 years after the author's death (maybe 70 now?), or before 1923. I just did a big post, but didn't realize the 1923 rule, so I will have to revise it
Tsathoggua was invented in a story published in 1929, so the 1923 rule doesn't apply. Clark Ashton Smith died in 1961...had the copyright extension act not been passed in 1998, which extended the copyright rules to 70 years after the authors date. So copyright was due to expire in 2011, but now its 2031. I asked James Jacob last year about this guy, and he said Paizo couldn't do anything without permission from the Smith estate.
Yig and Ghatanothoa were both published after 1923 and with collaborators who died in the 1960s. So they might not be public domain? Beats me how that works
Not sure what is going on with the Frank Belknap Long fiction (Chaugnar Faugn)
Nug and Yeb are kind of obscure. Might not be much to work with, or James Jacob might want to pursue the Chaosium version of these Old Ones, which would require their permission (kind of like a lot of the non-reprinted monsters in the Carrion Crown series that were not in the PRD
Caveat I am not a copyright lawyer. So....?????
Which carrion crown monsters arent in the PRD?
Dimensional Shambler, Gnoph-keh, Dark Young of Shug-Nigguruth (I think that's it?)
Well from AP# 46 there are Mhar and Xhamen-Dor, which are the old ones mentioned that do not have stats. Also the people at Paizo could always create there own old ones.
Well from AP# 46 there are Mhar and Xhamen-Dor, which are the old ones mentioned that do not have stats. Also the people at Paizo could always create there own old ones.
Mhar and Xhamen-Dor are tied into Golarion and, from what I have heard, not likely to show up in a setting neutral bestiary.
Well they can still create there own for a setting neutral book but more then likely B5 will not have any old ones.
Yeah...I mean there are entire groups of outsiders that still haven't been covered yet...archdevils, Horsemen, etc. I would rather seem them in a Bestiary 5 than more Old Ones or Demon Lords
I would much rather see the fey lords, protean lords , primal inevitables, and more Kaiju.
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Ahkiyyini- dancing skeleton that causes shipwrecks by dancing (I'm not making this up.)
Aigikampoi- Fish tailed goats
Ammit- eats souls of the truly unworthy
Arkan Sonney- Shy Fairy hedgehogs who bring good luck to those who catch them. Might make a fun improved familiar
More lycanthropes please? I want to see were-foxes, or maybe a general Lycanthrope template
Hellcat is already the name of the invisible lions used by devils for hunting. You'd need a new name.
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Ammit is in one of the last couple Mummy's Mask volumes
I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Eldest. They are James Sutter's babies, and in his question thread he says he would prefer they never be statted up.
Since I have been seeing Sharknado and Shark Week adds pretty regularly the last few weeks, I want to throw my support behind getting the Lusca in the next Bestiary. Not only is it from real life folklore, but its the bastard offspring of "Two-headed Shark" and "Sharktopus". IE the most amazing creature ever.
Ahkiyyini- dancing skeleton that causes shipwrecks by dancing (I'm not making this up.)
Actually he summons giant waves and bad weather through his instruments (Drums), not by only dancing.
And no you're not making it up as I already wished for that creature like 5 times.
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Black Tamanous - In Native American mythology a big cannibal with tar under his feet, which leaves tarry footprints everywhere he goes.
I would like the Black Tamanous to be an mind-controlling, body-thief like tar-ooze creature, that turns everything it corrupts into flesh eating horrors that mostly feed and attack their own species as they are probably easiest to come by.
This ooze doesn't have acid attacks on flesh and all its nourishment comes from the flesh it's host-body devours.
It never kills the creature it corrupts, it just scrambles and damages the mind forever, turning the creature extremly agressive and hungry for the flesh of similar creatures, after he finds a better host, he jumps bodies and the previous victim will still be insane with hunger, violence and whatever else. The biggest reason a Tamanous Ooze will jump bodies is that it likes bigger bodies better than smaller bodies, many Ogres and Trolls carry Black Tamanous around, as Large creatures are the maximum it can controll.
While in their combat-appeareance the tar-like ooze is dripping from the entire body of the victim, making it seem like some horrible black mud-horror, when they hunt the tar-like ooze often hides in the bodies of the victims or under their feet, leaving tarry footprints everywhere they go, this black goo will replenish when the host creature eats again, which is pretty often.
I am all for dancing skeletons of doom:)
If Sutter didn't want the Eldest stated up then why make them only demi-gods.
Black Tamanous - In Native American mythology a big cannibal with tar under his feet, which leaves tarry footprints everywhere he goes.
I would like the Black Tamanous to be an mind-controlling, body-thief like tar-ooze creature, that turns everything it corrupts into flesh eating horrors that mostly feed and attack their own species as they are probably easiest to come by.
This ooze doesn't have acid attacks on flesh and all its nourishment comes from the flesh it's host-body devours.
It never kills the creature it corrupts, it just scrambles and damages the mind forever, turning the creature extremly agressive and hungry for the flesh of similar creatures, after he finds a better host, he jumps bodies and the previous victim will still be insane with hunger, violence and whatever else. The biggest reason a Tamanous Ooze will jump bodies is that it likes bigger bodies better than smaller bodies, many Ogres and Trolls carry Black Tamanous around, as Large creatures are the maximum it can controll.
While in their combat-appeareance the tar-like ooze is dripping from the entire body of the victim, making it seem like some horrible black mud-horror, when they hunt the tar-like ooze often hides in the bodies of the victims or under their feet, leaving tarry footprints everywhere they go, this black goo will replenish when the host creature eats again, which is pretty often.
I'd rather they hew closer to folklore on this, since it's a pretty interesting angle. A creature that basically feeds on cannibals and other "human predators", and tricks people into becoming cannibals so it can consume them. That doesn't really jive that well with an ooze or body jumping at all.
I'm actually statting the Black Tamanous right now. Probably will have it up tonight, as I'm trying to balance cleaning my apartment and moving with it.
I've got a small New World Bestiary on my Arcadia topic here that I've been working on. Now that I'm ready for my move, I can actually do some stat work here and there.
I would like to add Ankhat, Guardian Scroll, Shasalqu, Sha, Thriae Dancer, Cynosphinx, Stranglereed, Living Sandstorm, Elder Sphinx, Ammut, Mummy Lord, Neshmaal, and Set Gurdian to my wishlist of creatures from APs for B5.
They have that in Mythic Monsters Revisited. Would be cool to see it in the BEstiary though
Sorry, there aren't stats, but I thought they discuss how to build one.
Yea I'd prefer seeing it in Bestiary 5.
Yeah, I would also like to see actual stats(and art) for the Orthrus.
I'd rather they hew closer to folklore on this, since it's a pretty interesting angle. A creature that basically feeds on cannibals and other "human predators", and tricks people into becoming cannibals so it can consume them. That doesn't really jive that well with an ooze or body jumping at all.Black Tamanous - In Native American mythology a big cannibal with tar under his feet, which leaves tarry footprints everywhere he goes.
I would like the Black Tamanous to be an mind-controlling, body-thief like tar-ooze creature, that turns everything it corrupts into flesh eating horrors that mostly feed and attack their own species as they are probably easiest to come by.
This ooze doesn't have acid attacks on flesh and all its nourishment comes from the flesh it's host-body devours.
It never kills the creature it corrupts, it just scrambles and damages the mind forever, turning the creature extremly agressive and hungry for the flesh of similar creatures, after he finds a better host, he jumps bodies and the previous victim will still be insane with hunger, violence and whatever else. The biggest reason a Tamanous Ooze will jump bodies is that it likes bigger bodies better than smaller bodies, many Ogres and Trolls carry Black Tamanous around, as Large creatures are the maximum it can controll.
While in their combat-appeareance the tar-like ooze is dripping from the entire body of the victim, making it seem like some horrible black mud-horror, when they hunt the tar-like ooze often hides in the bodies of the victims or under their feet, leaving tarry footprints everywhere they go, this black goo will replenish when the host creature eats again, which is pretty often.
I don't really like the real myth creature, as it is just a big human with tarry feet.
It may feed on cannibals (didn't even knew that, thought it was a cannibal itself) but my ooze pretty much does the same, it turns other creatures into cannibals to feed on the energy/flesh or maybe even the whole cannibal-progress itself.
And I want more ooze creatures anyway, the real black tamanous, I wouldn't like, maybe I like other versions tho, but they have to be different from the real myth.
Better to stick with the actual myth, as it pays respect to the culture that it is from.
So slavic doesnt deserve respect but native americans do? Don't really see the difference. I for one aint a fan of a 100% human with tar under his feet, my wish isnt for that but my own view of it with some spices added to make it less human and more monstrous. Leshy and kelpie also differ from their myth so don't see the problem. But of course you can wish for the humanoid true-to-its-roots version.
Why not just ask for a ooze with those properties? Or find a movie monster that captures those traits (As described, the creature isn't far off from the ooze in The Stuff).
Paizo still makes lots of original monsters. Makes more sense to ask for an original monster in some cases than try to shoehorn a unrelated creature into the niche.
Because I only want creatures based and taken from mythology, some as 100% copies, others as changed and upgraded versions with new looks, behavior or abilities, but still a link to the original thing + the name.
Well that kinda sucks because, we like original. I for one am up for more Elohim like creatures.
I have no idea what you are talking about with we. You talk like you have a hive mind or are Ermac.
Yeah, I would like more creatures like the Elohim. It is cool that the people from Paizo can come up with awesome creatures regardless if they are from myth or there own imagination.
We = me + Dragon78, Odraude and other people.Well that kinda sucks because, we like original. I for one am up for more Elohim like creatures.I have no idea what you are talking about with we. You talk like you have a hive mind or are Ermac.
So you automatically say you don't like the Paizo Leshies, Kelpie, Rusalka, and many other creatures as well?
Thanks for clearing that up.
And you didn't even know about the real myth...
But whatever, Paizo did it before MANY TIMES, so I can still wish for alternate versions of the myths. If you don't ;like it why don't you wish for the normal creature here? Ohh forgot, you didn't even knew it excisted before I posted it. :-p
Hopefully there will be less mythic creatures in B5.
I hope that the rest of the creatures from Distant Worlds make in as well.
I know I have asked for candy themed monsters in the past. It would be nice to have some if you wanted to have a candyland themed demi-plane.
I still want to see more toy themed monsters as well.
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We = me + Dragon78, Odraude and other people.Well that kinda sucks because, we like original. I for one am up for more Elohim like creatures.I have no idea what you are talking about with we. You talk like you have a hive mind or are Ermac.So you automatically say you don't like the Paizo Leshies, Kelpie, Rusalka, and many other creatures as well?
Thanks for clearing that up.
The ones you named, no I didn't like them.
The Pathfinder Kelpie and Rusalka actually are not that far off from mythology. The Leshy is, but then the Leshy also has a couple of different name variants, so we could still get something like the folklore version (complete with squirrel gambling!)
Squirrel gambling? Do tell MMCJawa.
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Basically Leshys (don't think I used the correct plural) were masters of the forest, and also incorrigible gamblers. So some stories describe Leshies gambling with other Leshys, using things like their squirrel populations, etc as currency.
This was used to explain things like animal movements and migration...one Leshy was simply paying off his debt to another one, hence the animals "moving" out of his territory and into another one.
The Pathfinder Kelpie and Rusalka actually are not that far off from mythology. The Leshy is, but then the Leshy also has a couple of different name variants, so we could still get something like the folklore version (complete with squirrel gambling!)
Kelpies are not humanoid, they are horses.
Rusalka... They can't do stuff with their hair and they are undead, not fey.
I can name a lot more, but I don't have the time.
Kelpies are shape shifters who could take a number of forms, including a humanoid one.
The differences with the Rusalka are minute and to be expected with any new version.
I'll admit I'm not too fond of Pathfinder Leshies. But then again I'm not really too fond of "cutesy" monsters in more or less anything. I like flumphs though. :) I like the mythical namesake a lot more, it was unique and interesting already.
Still, Leshies are the exception to the rule. Most Pathfinder mythical creatures are far more reasonably close to the mythic version. Yes, they are reimagined in some ways to fit within the game world, but that's to be expected. They are still almost always relatively recognizable as the mythic creatures.
If you want to include only mythical creatures, than altering them to the point of only resembling the mythic incarnation by the name is kind of defying the point. That "Taminous" is almost nothing like the mythic version. It IS an original monster regardless of the name. Mythical monsters are varied and diverse and awesome, but they just don't cover every possible concept. There was no humanoid T Rex in mythology, because T Rex was not known until 1905. If you want to generate your own specialized setting with only mythics, that's fine, but for a world like Golarion that was designed to contain as close to having "every possible fantasy creature," as possible which is one of the things I love about it, you know that it's never going to be that limited.
In short, I absolutely love mythical creatures. They are amazing in their diversity, but they simply don't cover everything that we could possibly have. But that's fine. We can always include original monsters too, without modifying perfectly good mythics to become unrecognizable.