The Two Extreme D&D Gamer Archetypes


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Alice Margatroid wrote:
Twilight is the best no returns!

It never ceases to amaze me, how one can end up so liking people whose tastes are so totally opposite. :)

Liberty's Edge

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To clarify, I mean Twilight as in Twilight Sparkle not that one series of books whose contents I would hesitate to call writing.

I'm not that crazy. ;)


*whew* there was a moment there, that, well, it was a moment


Alice Margatroid wrote:
To clarify, I mean Twilight as in Twilight Sparkle not that one series of books whose contents I would hesitate to call writing.

Isn't that what vampires do in those popular Twilight books? Sparkle? ;P

But seriously, I can't think of any Anime (other than maybe Spirited Away) that didn't make me want to gouge my eyes out -- TOZ makes fun of me mercilessly for that, says it's a character flaw -- but he doesn't drink beer, so what does he know? Oh, and I thought Anne McCaffrey was like watching paint dry.

But you know what? From reading your posts, I'd still rather have you at the table than 90% of the other people on the boards, so there's that. (Come to think of it, Jess Door had also lived in Japan and drew her characters all Manga-style, and I liked having her in the game, too.)

Liberty's Edge

Ponies > Vampires. ;)

I suspect the McCaffrey love is partly because of when I read most of her stuff--during some quite self-formative years of early highschool (so, say, age 14?) Of course, it helps that I'm a super duper fan of dragons, so basically the very concept is great for me. Then again, I could never get into a lot of more traditional fantasy that people tell me to read like Tolkien (though the movie adaptations were great!) and Raymond E. Feist. *shrug*

I don't drink beer either, but thanks to my father I can have a not insubstantial conversation about the qualities of various homebrew and/or imported beers! That might be enough to make my opinion on life not-void like TOZ. :P


Alice Margatroid wrote:
Tolkien (though the movie adaptations were great!) and Raymond E. Feist. *shrug*

I read Lord of the Rings when I was like 10 and thought it was awesome. Tried again after the movies came out and couldn't finish -- I wanted to throw the books, the ring, and the stupid whiny hobbits all into the volcano together!

Feist is OK, but he sure as hell ain't no Roger Zelazny or Jack Vance or John Bellairs (The Face in the Frost has got to be one of the best, if not THE best, novel about wizards ever written). But I often enjoy mystery/detective fiction the most.

Re: Beer -- YES! For me it's an esoteric field of knowledge, not just a beverage!


laughing at supposed nerd rage implies you think you're cooler than other people. Guess what? You aren't.


...where did that come from?


Quite a few posts back.

You probably should've quoted her Kmalt.


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People have the right to laugh at things they find funny*.

At least until the thought police becomes a legitimate thing and all.

* = There are exceptions to this, but I personally find trolling attempts and nerd rage funny.


Thank you Icyshadow.


Stuffy Grammarian wrote:
Randarak wrote:
I use words grammatically correct in sentences

"Grammatically correctly."

"Use" is a verb, rather than a noun; therefore, modifying it requires an adverb, rather than an adjective.

My non-native English speaker curiosity:

Can't the "correct" refer to 'words' instead of 'use' in this case? It seems to me that it would be correct then but I might be interpreting it through the lense of language that is much more eligible for dropping parts of the sentence than English.

I use words (that are) grammatically correct in sentences?


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Internet tough guy comin' through! Everybody stand back!
*rolleyes*


Drejk wrote:
Can't the "correct" refer to 'words' instead of 'use' in this case? It seems to me that it would be correct then but I might be interpreting it through the lens of language that is much more eligible for dropping parts of the sentence than English. "I use words (that are) grammatically correct in sentences?"

Many people consider English as one of the easiest languages to learn -- and one of the hardest to master.

There are a lot of exception-based rules. Sometime you can drop entire parts of the sentences, but more often that renders the remainder unintelligible to other English speakers. For brevity, in this case we'd probably just rearrange the sentence and say, "I use the correct words in my sentences." (Notice that "correct" in that case is still very clearly attached to "words," and not to "use.")


Icyshadow wrote:

People have the right to laugh at things they find funny*.

At least until the thought police becomes a legitimate thing and all.

* = There are exceptions to this, but I personally find trolling attempts and nerd rage funny.

..And the White Knight gallantly appears.

Liberty's Edge

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Orthos wrote:

Internet tough guy comin' through! Everybody stand back!

*rolleyes*

Agreed and seconded.

I am not at all impressed with Nerf Rage and Trolling. Bot in the least. The amount of times I have heard and been subjected to it on the internet and in rea life. I have no tolarence for it any longer. If a person wants to discuss something they don't like about a product without frothing about the mouth and being negative about what they are talking about it. I will listen. If not I walk away or ignore you. Obn more than one occasion at my LGS I have had to shut down edition warring. Throw freedom of speech in my face all you want. Nothing in the constitution says I have to listen to you. Nor am I impressed at the "fake innocence" of people when asked politely to stop don;t so when you get angry can't understand why you do.


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memorax wrote:


I am not at all impressed with Nerf Rage...

Sounds pretty harmless to me.


Spoiler:

Younger than you'd think.
Started with Gygax stuff. Tolkien/Martin/Lewis/Lovecraft. Not really high opinion of Anime, Pokemon, Steampunk, or anything breaking the medieval swords & sorcery paradigm, unless its something like pirates/vikings/etc. 3E/PF are the best, and 4E is a total perversion of everything holy. GM should provide an interesting and evocative world, letting the PCs have at least the illusion of choice. The GMs word is law. Characters are OP nowadays, feeling entitled to crazy spells and abilities. Introvert mixed with Extrovert. Pathfinder didn't go far enough in fixing 3E. Greyhawk is amazing. Fighters and Rogues are fine, and wonderful to play and roleplay. Computers are no problem. Tomb of Horrors and dungeon crawling is the meat and potatoes of gaming. Death should be a rare occurrence, but stupid players deserve to be offed. Themes of dark and light are best, leave the sex stuff alone. Anime hurts my eyes. Plays almost no video games.

Heh. Quite funny. I apparently fit in to the "older" age group much better than the younger, despite ostensibly belonging to the younger.

Shadow Lodge

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You think that the Tomb of Horrors is the meat and potatoes of gaming, but think that death should be rare?

That's the kind of logic that makes HAL9000 kill people.


Kthulhu wrote:

You think that the Tomb of Horrors is the meat and potatoes of gaming, but think that death should be rare?

That's the kind of logic that makes HAL9000 kill people.

I went through Tomb of Horrors with only one death. Sure, we lost all of our gear and were fighting naked using gargoyle limbs as weapons at one point, but still...only one death. The character who died was an un-optimized sorcerer who picked up a cursed gem. There was one incident that could have been a TPK, but we escaped portable hole shenanigans (and a kind DM).

I will admit though, that ToH is a bit extreme. Castle Greyhawk, Expedition to Castle Ravenloft, Scourge of the Slavelords, Forest Oracle, Dwellers of the Forbidden City, etc. are more palatable examples of meat and potatoes.

Shadow Lodge

Sorcerer? So I assume you were going through the 3.5 version? Ok, that makes sense. I didn't know you were talking about the Nerf version.


Is there a 3.5 version? I never saw it. :(


Steve Geddes wrote:
Is there a 3.5 version? I never saw it. :(

Don't! The traps are all like "DC 15 Reflex or take 1d6 damage." There's a reason that WotC put it up for free on their website.

Shadow Lodge

Hey, it wasn't all bad!

It had a nice map!


Was it available in electronic format only?


As far as I know. But, really, don't bother.

Shadow Lodge

Of course, the "Player's Map" was pretty lame, in that all it did was remove the labels. Gee, that room doesn't have a door, and only is adjacent to another existing room right HERE. I think I'll search for secret doors.


Well, I'm less interested if there's no hardcopy version. I'd still be interested to see it though (I liked the 4E adventure inspired by the ToH too - despite it being so far removed from the original material).


The closest thing to Tomb of Horrors I've ever encountered in 3.X was Jesse Decker's Spire of Long Shadows. IIRC, not one, but two TPKs or near-TPKs. The survivors finally made it through by casting speak with dead on the bodies of their predecessors to find out what to expect. I still have very fond memories of that one!

Shadow Lodge

Well, it's pretty damn short, you could always print it out.


Steve Geddes wrote:
Well, I'm less interested if there's no hardcopy version. I'd still be interested to see it though (I liked the 4E adventure inspired by the ToH too - despite it being so far removed from the original material).

You can look at it, but for the sake of the name of the original, I'd beg you not to actually send anyone through it -- unless you make it very clear that they're going through the super-easy Disney version.


It's an irrational thing. It's not so much that I'm desperate to read this in a hardcopy version. It's that I like to own as much of the various game systems I play as I can (but I only count hardcopy product as "real").

If it was PDF only, I can live with never reading it. If there was a hardcopy version, I'd track it down.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Well, I'm less interested if there's no hardcopy version. I'd still be interested to see it though (I liked the 4E adventure inspired by the ToH too - despite it being so far removed from the original material).
You can look at it, but for the sake of the name of the original, I'd beg you not to actually send anyone through it.

No danger there - we dont play 3.5 or PF anymore. It's purely for academic interest. Cheers.


64, AKA Grouchy Old Fart. Got introduced by my Step-son at the time playing in 1995 or so, he played I didn't. Around 2000 got into a 2E game until 3.0 came out. First campaign I recall was Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil. Played until about 2004 then began GM'ing. Have been playing and GM'ing since with Pathfinder. I got disgusted with 3.5 massive compilation of books. Swore I wouldn't do so again. Looked over 4E but didn't want to attempt to learn more than one rule set. Was in Kirth's Homebrew for a while but dropped out because of my difficulty learning 2 different rule sets.

Liberty's Edge

Steve Geddes wrote:


Sounds pretty harmless to me.

I used to think so as well. Except having been bothered one too many times in a gaming store and online from edition warriors well its annoying as well. Then again im not impressed by gamers online and in public who are not interested in a discussion only a feel good validation style of discussion leaves me once again unimpressed.

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Discovered the Holmes Basic set in about 1981-ish in, of all places, the "advanced" class in a rural south Alabama school system. It was love at first site for me. I borrowed it and toted it around for the next six months until I scammed someone into getting a copy of it for my 11th birthday later that year.

I basically wore the ink off the pages. Sadly, in a rural south Alabama town (pop. about 3,200), you don't get a lot of gaming buddies. I got accused of being a devil-worshipper by a few folks, which was okay with me at the time. Got accused of trying to start a gambling ring in study hall because of the dice, which was okay with me at the time. Eventually found two folks who were into Robert E Howard's Conan books and thought the game looked like a fun thing to try. Basically, we were the three literate kids in town.

Started off with the B1 module, delving into Quasqueton, drinking from pools (bad idea!), and basically murdering orcs, berserkers, and evil high priests with great abandon.

Eventually graduated to 1E AD&D, through the assistance of having grandparents who lived in the nearby college town (only 35 miles to a bookstore from where I lived!) of Tuscaloosa. Piddled around pretty consistently with that system throughout the remainder of high school.

Cue freshman year of college in 1985 (yes, do the math on it). People from real cities! Different cultures! BOOKSTORES! It was magical. My Robert E Howard background receives an infusion of Zelazny and Doc Smith, and Larry Niven, and Steven Brust. Sudden realization there is more to life!

Anyway, we met a dude that played GURPS, and Fantasy Hero (the original one), and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying, and In the Labyrinth. Got away from D&D for years... Played in and ran all the games above plus Palladium, homebrew systems, Champions, etc. Was an acid and active gamer through four years of college and two years of grad school, then two more years after that, then dropped out for about 3 years.

Jump forward those three years, and I have married a non-gamer girl (figure my chances of much gaming are pretty much nil), but lo and behold, her brother and his friend are boardgamers, so let's have weekely game night. I begin the indoctrination project. Soon, I make the casual "why don't we try THIS" and break out a short Fantasy Hero scenario. Then I make my move.

"Hey guys, there's a thing called DragonCon that I went to a few times in the 90s, they play a lot of games there, and it is pretty cool." That was about 2005, right when Dave Arneson's Blackmoor was starting up, and we played in that campaign for three years before it petered out. Fortunately, at about that same time, Pathfinder was released, and I slid easily from 3.5 into PFRPG, along with the brother-in-law (his friend had stuck with boardgames).

So, now here I am, cruising along with PF, happy as a clam. Would I drop it all for some GURPS or Fantasy Hero play? Maybe, but nobody here in Birmingham seems all that interested, besides, the PFS stuff is so good it seems almost a waste to do the work myself.

As for the wife, she got hooked on DragonCon as well, and is now an avid costumer and boardgamer. Indoctrination successful!


memorax wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:


Sounds pretty harmless to me.
I used to think so as well.

You missed where you typoed "Nerd rage" as "Nerf rage" is what he meant. ;)

Liberty's Edge

I meant nerd rage. Thanks for pointing out the mistake to me Orthos. I'm all for a reasonable debate on topics. If nothing I tell you will make you change your mind or laready have your mind set about something. Well what's the point.


You people.

You people and your FECKING LIVESTOCK.

We cannot be friends.


35 as of this year, two months back.

Started with 1stEd AD&D, dinked about with the R/W/B/G books of the basic set when I could, got more heavily invested in 2E, hated 3E at first, but it grew on me with the advent of DragonStar and the discovery of the modularity of 3E in general. Also, wss saddened to not see Kara Tur return as Oriental Adventures, was intrigued by the 3E-ification of L5R, became more obsessed with 'side tack-ons' in my gaming at that point. Castle rules, social combat, town and settlement building, DELICIOUS POLITICKING. Around this time, while most people were squeeing over WoD, I was instead getting into GURPS, and In Nomine. 4E came out and I tried to look at it objectively, but overall felt, for lack of better phrasing, the way lots of Vanilla WoW people feel about the Mists of Pandaria version of the 'talent trees'. Not to respark Edition Wars silliness, that's just the why of how Pathfinder made me start quoting Phillip J. Fry: "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY."

I enjoy kill'em-all deathfest games when the mood hits, and sometimes I enjoy a touchy-feely game of heroics that is more psychological than combat-heavy. I've played just about every race and class combo out there, barring a few from the APG, enjoy RPGs both Western and Eastern, favor fighting games over RTS types, and turn based tactics games get more of my love than FPSes, though I have a soft spot in my heart for the Half-Life series, Borderlands, and Rise of the Triad. While still an anime fan, my tastes range from the mainstreamed titles like Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece, to the esoteric like BoogiePop Phantom, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and Paranoia Agent. My tastes in television is...nearly nonexistent, making for awkward discussions when I reveal I'm more likely to watch reruns of Iron Chef than Heroes, or Season 9 of Dr. Who than Parks and Recreation.

I find I'm not on either end of the two extremes, except, of course, when I am. And generally, it's caused by reaction to someone leaning too far one way or the other.

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