The Two Extreme D&D Gamer Archetypes


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Exhibit 1:

40yr old. Started with Gygax stuff. Tolkien/Martin/Cook. Not really high opinion of John Carter or anything remotely breaking the fantasy paradigm. 1E/2E those were the days, 3E has gone all the wrong places but at least that's not the atrocity that 4E was. GM is the law, the overgod and it's his game. Players better get ready for pillars of salt and pain. The biggest problem with 3E is that it made players think they actually are entitled to something, like magic item crafting (ugh!). Is usually an introvert with some communication problems resulting from that. Thinks Pathfinder should be less crunch, more fluff, sticks with it because at least it's true to the spirit. Greyhawk, please bow your hat to Greyhawk, youngster. Fighters and Rogues are fine, you just don't know how to play them, I did since 1978 and always had a blast. All those PDFs, WinZiPs and other newfangled toys are confusing. Tomb of Horrors was the real gaming, everything afterwards is watered down cereal. Punishments for death are the thing. Guns and eastern elements are unacceptable. Dark themes and shades of grey are OK, can handle that unless it's about sex-related stuff in which case squick, this is America son, not some European red light district.

Exhibit 2:

20-30. Started with 3.5E. Anime fan, quite likely into Touhou/bullet hell games. 1E/2E were arbitrary egofests of pathetic fat grognards, 3E was the best thing ever, 4E had all the good intentions but went overboard in making everything the same. Players are the stars of the show, and the GM should better try his best to accommodate their tastes and desires. Sorry - "GM" is a wrong term, it implies some form of mastery. Mister Cavern, now that's better. Is usually an extrovert with some communication problems resulting from that. Thinks Pathfinder is at best a poor set of 3.5 houserules, sticks with it because what else? Caster/Martial disparity is a FACT, stop throwing your worthless opinions about it! The fact that SKR failed to fix it (note: SKR is the default bogeyman responsible for everything) and Paizo still didn't fire him makes his head hurt. Tome of Battle was the real thing, now there you could build something that resembled Berserk or Ninja Scroll stuff. Best setting ever - his/her homebrew, duh. Death should be trivial, duh, we're here for fun. Anything that breaks the "dragons 'n' princesses" paradigm is kewl UNLESS it's grimdark because ohmigosh, grimdark is retarded, it belongs in WoD or Warhammer (side note: both are bullcrap!) and not in D&D. Thinks the divide between GOOD and EVIL is binary and any implication of otherwise triggers the grimdark reaction.

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Hehe, thanks Gorbacz...I enjoyed that read...I think I fall in somewhere between the two...both age wise and otherwise...

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I'm 35.

Silver Crusade

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I believe most of us fall somewhere in-between, but when those two extremes clash, the results are hilarious.

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I'm 33, I've carved out a special safe zone ;)

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Type 3- 33 year old that tries to define other players and put them in categories. Probably a psych or anthropology major. Typically more neurotic than their subjects.

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Gee, all those years of legal education, a PhD, and I end up getting labelled like that...


I'm 43 next week used to own my own gaming store and was a 2ed demonstrator for TSR
So where does that leave me ?

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45 YO love John Carter. Started with Gygax, ect.. I think 3/ 3.5/ pathfinder rules are great for both player and gm. But I do think 4th ed is an atrocity.

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Gorbacz wrote:
I believe most of us fall somewhere in-between, but when those two extremes clash, the results are hilarious.

Yes. But no, really, I am actually 35.

Played AD&D briefly in Middle School, then was distracted by boobies which at that age, where I lived at at, was pretty much incompatible with boobies. So I stopped gaming, went to college, got a job, etc...

A friend of mine (a lady, no less...well...a woman...) got me to start playing 3.5 in my 20's with a group of people about my age who had played 2nd edition then excitedly converted over to 3.5 with very little nostalgia for Thaco, but a love of forgotten realms and setting.

4E appeared, and in the opinion of our group, raped the Realms. We gave it a shot out of loyalty, as one GM liked how easy it was to run for a GM, and we thought it was a decent combat simulator, let it go.

The best GM stuck with 3.5 primarily while trying out new systems, the other GM's kind of stopped running anything and then I found Pathfinder, slowly got the rest of the group to give it a try by buying the setting book and lending it around before running RoTRL mixed with CotCT with the Beta stuff (later converted when core came out).

We are the generation that remembers AOL and ANSI porn, but does not long for those dark days. We like our tentacle porn Evil Dead, not Anime style. We remember the Lord of the Rings cartoons from the 70's, the Saturday Morning D&D cartoon from the 80's, and collapse of the industry in the 90's.

We know the best RPGs ever were the Balders Gate series, but we think they are to Tabletop 2e what Madden is to actually playing football, outside, with a ball. And laugh when it is used as a citation of how things worked.

We don't like Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails being classic rock.

But we have good jobs, good houses, and disposable income to buy books and subscribe to stuff. We have gaming rooms in our house, not just flip mats we put on the coffee table (although we have those too).


33 years old, been reading Robert E. Howard since I was 5. I've been playing since 1989 and I like anime, does it really matter what kind of gamer you are? As long as your gaming and having fun.
I throw in elements from everything from Willow to Star Wars, I use Tolkien, John Flanagan, Brent Weeks, and even 'John Carter'.
So where do I fit in your "archetypes"? I enjoy TPK's and enjoy when my BBEG gets smoked in 4 rounds by super lucky dice rolls. Does that mean I'm an introvert with some kind of communication problem, too?


Interesting. Very interesting.

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30 here, Still hate the talk of 4.0 being an atrocity. It wasn't the game my group was looking for, Pathfinder was; it's really just that. We enjoyed 3.0/3.5/3.p very much and have stuck with them. We enjoy games of all types, from Grimdark to comedic; sometimes in the same campaign. The game is supposed to simply be what you enjoy, and the extremes who say it has to be played one way or the other are wrong. Not because they can't enjoy it the way they like it, but because they are trying to force their views on others. That is a real issue in games that I hate to see. Find a group that works and plays the way you want, and don't expect others to conform solely to you4r views, no matter how much of a grognard you are :)


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42 Years old. Played every edition save the original Chainmail & it's immediate successor. LURVES me some John Carter (ERB was one of my go-to reads growing up), not to mention HPL/CoC/Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath, (oddly enough I never really got into Howard/Conan although I enjoyed the first de Laurentis Movie).
Retraction on the 'Played every Edition' statement, never played 4th; picked up the PHB, read it through, laughed my ass off, gave it to a friend who uses it with his GF/fiance & their group. Would be waiting for that group to be ready for a 'real RPG' but he recently moved several thousand miles away.
As may be implied by the fondness for HPL have a certain fondness for the occasional 'Grimdark', but preferably when everyone at the table knows before-hand & agrees. Contends there has always been a Caster/Martial disparity (but then has also always been a fan of Ars Magica). Fond of Morally complex/'Mature themed' games, but games with pre-pubescent children on occasion so has developed an understanding of 'time & place'.

D'I miss anything?..

Dark Archive

I'm 38, and I can't really recognize myself anywhere near any of those two extremes. Good for me, I think.

But it's a good read and a neat dychotomic model nonetheless.

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Gorbacz wrote:
I'm 33, I've carved out a special safe zone ;)

Because it is obvious gamers 31 to 39 are the best gamers. We are the Gamer Golden Age.


ciretose wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
I'm 33, I've carved out a special safe zone ;)
Because it is obvious gamers 31 to 39 are the best gamers. We are the Gamer Golden Age.

Early mid-life crisis?


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27. Started on 3.0 via Neverwinter Nights 1, moved to 3.5 PnP a few months later. Loves most of the things Pathfinder changed about 3.5 but is not shy about retconning the things he doesn't. 4E just never "felt right". Game is liberally sprinkled with houserules, either due to personal preference or player request. Okay with Anime but not hugely into it; much bigger fan of JRPG and MetroidVania video games, does not like bullet hell due to lousy reflexes. Likes the focus of the game to be on story, with the players as the "main characters", but thinks it's best to have the group agree to giving the GM some level of control to allow for streamlining of the game and avoid rules arguments; players with exceptional knowledge of rules may be regularly solicited for advice but may be asked to hold off until out of session for in-depth discussion. Likes running APs as he lacks the time to devote to fully homebrewing a story, but heavily alters and homebrews much of the content, usually due to players leveling faster than expected and wanting to ramp up the challenge to match.

Games are usually rated PG or PG-13 at most, has no stomach for gore and is prudish in the extreme (any sex in the game is little more than "fade to black, cut to other party members/next morning"), and is thankful most of his players are either similarly minded or okay with this. Moral choices and consequences are embraced, and is equally willing to do both black-and-white good vs. evil and heavy shades of grey, at personal option or players' requests, sometimes switching between the two as needed. Okay with the occasional full-on evil campaign, but would like to see some thrilling heroics from time to time. Tends heavily toward playing Lawful Good while playerside (loves Paladins!) but can pull Chaotic Good or Lawful Evil fairly well. Does not smoke, drink, or use nonmedicinal drugs. Very introverted, asocial, asexual.

Gaming group is scattered across the country (and one in Canada) so all gaming is done via MapTool + Skype. Misses having a live gaming group, but wouldn't trade online friends for most of the people he knows offline for anything.

Prefers a kitchen sink game. Eastern stuff, western stuff, medieval, steampunk, Lovecraft, dragons, guns, magic, psionics, martial maneuvers, unusual magic subsets like incarnum, shadowcasting, and pact magic, 3rd party content, homebrew content, etc. etc. etc. Not a major fan of any published setting anymore after being burned out on Forgotten Realms and not being particularly grabbed by Greyhawk or Golarion, and has spent several years working on a homebrew setting - complete with several homebrew races, which is one of the main reasons my group doesn't like the idea of moving to an established setting - with members of his gaming group. Reads Lovecraft and friends, Bujold, Butcher, Pratchett, Gaiman, King, and a few others regularly.

Recognizes disparities in power between classes, but also recognizes some people have fun with classes despite their relative strength or weakness - would never play a rogue (mostly due to being bad at playing sneaky classes and preferring casters) but has no issues with players who want to and regularly offers advice, tips, and resources for making them the best at what they want to do. Knows enough about powergaming and optimization to reverse engineer most concepts into the most effective mechanical representation, but is more interested about giving advice and teaching and helping players to be better - both in roleplaying and in character building - than in going for all or nothing. Prefers spont casters immensely despite their lesser versatility and lower "power tier rating".

Willing to kill PCs if the dice declare, but usually willing to give the party some way to work it out, especially if the player is interested in continuing to play that PC. Willing to work with most any character concept or idea, save for deliberate self-inserts, which are a pet peeve. (Single exception - an entire game based around self-inserts. Okay idea for a oneshot or short campaign.) Never cared much for WoD but thinks Warhammer is kinda cool and occasionally raids it for monster ideas.


ciretose wrote:
Because it is obvious gamers 31 to 39 are the best gamers. We are the Gamer Golden Age.

Yeah I'm in that bracket too, but as a kid I was digging Michael Moorcock, suppose it was all the residuals from the acid my parents took in the early 70's.


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Oh Great Mordenkainen's Hounds! Has this become yet another, "How long have you been playing Dungeons and Dragons?" thread.

You kids, with your inter netted memee thingies.

Get off my lawn!

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I think you can pretty much say the 'early' crowd there is going to all be John Carter fans. remember, back then there was nowhere near as much fantasy fiction out there, and John Carter, Tarzan, Conan, Solomon Kane and Pellucidar brought as much to fantasy tropes as Tolkien did, even if they were more humanocentric.

Also, I'd like to tip my hat to the Lensman series by E E Doc Smith. I've never read any series of fiction that scaled up like Lensman did. First, fate of the world/solar system. Then, multiple systems. Half a galaxy. All of the galaxy. Control of a second galaxy. ANd finally eliminating a threat to the whole universe.

You want to see what 'levelling up' means, Lensmen is a great series for it.

==Aelryinth

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ciretose wrote:

We are the generation that remembers AOL and ANSI porn, but does not long for those dark days. We like our tentacle porn Evil Dead, not Anime style. We remember the Lord of the Rings cartoons from the 70's, the Saturday Morning D&D cartoon from the 80's, and collapse of the industry in the 90's.

We know the best RPGs ever were the Balders Gate series, but we think they are to Tabletop 2e what Madden is to actually playing football, outside, with a ball. And laugh when it is used as a citation of how things worked.

We don't like Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails being classic rock.

But we have good jobs, good houses, and disposable income to buy books and subscribe to stuff. We have gaming rooms in our house, not just flip mats we put on the coffee table (although we have those too).

You know me.


im 30. begin playing AD&D2E, i believe 3.0 was an atrocity somehow fixed in 3.5 and PFRPG fix some issues from 3.5 but bring ihis owns to the table!!

4thE was an atrocty and 5thE wuill be the digging for the wrong way to get out that hole (down)

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First experience was in the latter days of 2E. Mostly bad experience, but not because of the system. I largely enjoyed reading the material, especially Planescape, more than the games I actually got into for the most part at that point.

Appreciate Tolkien, Moorcock, Howard, etc. but I refuse to turn my nose up at and ignore all of the work in fantasy that came afterwards. I prefer to take the best elements of those earlier works while tossing away the worst.

I prefer settings that have some actual thought put into their morality. I like complexity and having Good and Evil actually mean something. I like having the black, the white, and all the shades of grey.

I have absolutely zero interest in:


  • Games where Good and Evil are just team jerseys.

  • Games where entire races are locked into an alignment.

  • Relating to both of the above, games where genocide and child murder are considered A-ok for Team Good

  • Games that really do focus on "killing things and taking their stuff"

  • Early-edition style class restrictions by race.

  • For that matter, 0E-style races-as-class.

  • Games where NPCs are just props or optional XP to harvest.

  • Meatgrinders where the expectation is to bring a stack of disposable characters.

  • Overbearing sexism and other forms of in-game prejudice that come across as trying to shut certain players out of the game under the guise of "historical accuracy" in a fantasy game.

I can deal with grimdark themes when appropriate and when properly served, and sometimes they can be desired as part of the setting. It's when things dip into grimderp levels that it becomes a colossal turnoff.

I want settings I can invest in. NPCs that act like people.

Blizzard Orcs >>>>>>>>>> Tolkien Orcs

Not a big fan of humanocentricism. I love fantastic races in my fantasy worlds. Bring on the tieflings. The thri-kreen. The asherati. The skindancers, the ghorans, the androids, and all the rest. No, they don't all fit in all worlds. But there sure has hell is room for many of them on any number of possible fantasy worlds, and I love having them supported.

Not a fan of confining fantasy to Western Medieval Europe either. I want African, Asian, and everything else-influences. I want my khopesh.

Videogames: Prefer platformers, RPGs(of both the JRPG and WRPG variety, no patience at all for that silly genre feud), FPSs that aren't Modern Dutyfield or Space Marine 614, point-and-click adventures, etc. Wide range in preferences really. Zelda, Castlevania, and the Valve games are my personal videogaming Holy Trinity. Zelda gave me a love of exploration. TF2 and L4D are testaments to the power of teamwork. Castlevania taught me that even draculas could be punched to death.

Technology: Not a Luddite. I'm not fond of many of the distractions some let technology bring to the table, but the benefits are also too great to ignore.

Genre-blending: Revel in it. Sometimes you want pure fairy tale. Sometimes you want magic and spaceships and digital angels and cyborg dragons. It depends on the campaign. I want to run/play in a Distant Worlds campaign badly. Also, <3 anachronistic soundtracks.

I don't mind uneven balance between classes, but I do think things should be more even than they are in many cases. Especially when it comes to rogues and monks.

4E wasn't for me, but I don't think it was the war crime some make it out to be either. It just wasn't the game I wanted. I'd prefer if people would actually give "live and let live" a shot rather than getting all tribal warfare about their preferences.

I believe GMs and players should talk to and be excellent to each other. I've no interest in adversarial GM-ing, nor do I expect a cakewalk. Failure(and death) should be a risk. But not a guarantee.

Elmore and Parkinson are as important as DiTerlizzi and Brom are as important as Lockwood is as important as WAR, Belisle, Hou, Eade, and many more when it comes to fantasy art tied to the game. Variety is the spice of life.

Absolutely not skittish about sexual themes. But also recognize that there's a time and a place. One should always respect the other players rather than tapdance across potential triggers. (again, GMs and players should talk to each other)

Rainbow Dash is best pony.


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I'd play at a Mikaze table in a heartbeat, looks like. (Well, except Twilight>Dash =P)

Silver Crusade

<3


I am also in my 30's. I agree mostly with Ciretose and Mikaze. Maybe we should have the 31-39 category.

:) I love labeling things. I even have a label maker.


Orthos wrote:
I'd play at a Mikaze table in a heartbeat, looks like. (Well, except Twilight>Dash =P)

+1. Although you have erred, Orthos- it's Pinkie Pie who is best pony.


Exhibit 1. Except I like 4E, don't live in america and have no idea who John carter is.


43 and really can't stand being around gamers of any kinds (other than my friends of whom I have plenty, thanks). Played and enjoyed every edition of D&D except OD&D (1974) (just never got a chance but I'm sure I'd find something I like in it). Even tried 3.75E errr Pathfinder - its OK with a few improvements and a few added flaws over 3E.

Why is liking/not liking John Carter part of this?


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Orthos wrote:
I'd play at a Mikaze table in a heartbeat, looks like. (Well, except Twilight>Dash =P)
+1. Although you have erred, Orthos- it's Pinkie Pie who is best pony.

A close second, but I can't vote her over the character who is as much a nerd as myself and my friends.


I am 43 years of age. I have been running games since the Red Box. I think Pathfinder is the best fantasy system that I have ever seen. I am a huge science fiction fan. Over my decades of running games I have run more Star Trek, Space Master, Star Wars (D6 & D20), Space Opera, Traveller, Stargate, Babylon-5, Spycraft, Serenity and Battlestar Galactica than I have fantasy. The only setting for fantasy that even approaches my love of Golarion is Forgotten Realms. I do have limited computer skills, but strive to utilize tech that could enhance the gaming experience, including interactive maps, padds (Forgive the star trek reference, please), PDF's, etc. Fighters and Rogues (and Monks) seem to function just fine at my table (Am I doing something wrong? I use terrain, combat modifiers,feats, skills, and, well...the rules. I dont know.) I regard 4e as "the thing that should not be". Did not enjoy Tomb of Horrors myself. My favorite AD&D module was The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun, especially when played in combination with The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (as was intended when it was written). Was not that fond of 3.0, liked 3.5 a little more, but I really LOVE Pathfinder. I personally feel that mediation is the key to most disputes at the table, but am not afraid to put my foot down if I have to. I strive for a mix of fun storytelling (for all involved), even-handedness, and realistic consequences of actions (I am big on causality and the law of unintended consequences and often carefully plot 3rd, 4th and 5th degree consequences to actions across the scope of a campaign: example bilbo kills gollum...well, frodo is going to have a harder time, thats for sure. Will he fail? Lets find out?) I do not approve of punishing a player for losing a character. I do not mind Guns or eastern elements, but I do insist that they be appropriate to the setting. In Golarion that is not a problem and I do not, at present, run other fantasy settings. I actively pursue dark themes and similarly enjoy integrating moral dilemmas and grey areas without obvious moral black and white areas into my fantasy games.

Well, thats pretty much my gaming-bio. Seemed to be the theme.

Incidentally, Aelryinth was correct about the "Lensmen" books.

Enjoy your Day,
Weslocke of Phazdaliom


Also, I didn't realize we were profiling...See Mikaze's post so that mine makes more sense.

I'm 34.

I started in the later days of second ed as well, although my experiences were more positive than Mikaze's. I did get tired of a lot of the BS that was thrown around at the 2nd ed table that seemed endemic to it, and while I LOVED Skills and Powers, the character creation took too long, and I eventually went to the greener pastures of d6 Star Wars, FASERIP!!!!! and World of Darkness, which is where I blossomed as I discovered Werewolf. It made me think a lot about morality, but also of the necessity of sometimes horrid violence, and so when my friends were trying to get me back at the 2nd ed table, I too ran into problems with alignment-based races and other issues endemic to 2nd ed thinking. I didn't get back into D&D until 3.0, and that was where I blossomed yet again, starting up groups that have lasted for YEARS. 4th ed is anathema to me, but hey, play what you want. Humanocentrism- and all the other centrisms that certain gamers are all to happy to ignore- happens sometimes, it's something that is a part of the setting, for good and ill. If you want to change that go ahead, but know that problems may come up long term if using official material, and I'm doubling down on NO THEY DO NOT BELONG IN ALL WORLDS, despite my love for Shining Force. Speaking of, in terms of video games, I'm again with there with Mikaze, save I prefer less platformers and turn-based strategy RPGs(ATLUS FAITHFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SRW FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), and watching my wife play stealth based action games(She was the world leader in using Redcoats as a human shield in Assassins Creed 3 for a few days. THE WORLD LEADER!!!!!). I genuinely hate 4th ed, and I am not as huge a fan of genre bending because of how astonishingly easy it is to get wrong and is INCREDIBLY difficult to GM for, but I remain one of the biggest Shadowrun fans I know of. Wholehearted agreement on the balance issue, art, and sexual themes, although I'm more enthusiastic on that latter front appearing in my games.


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I can't be tied down by your labels man.

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40. Started playing in 1979. I loved 1st edition, both D&D and AD&D. But Pathfinder is far and away my favorite game.

I love the addition of firearms and eastern weapons. It would be awesome to run through Tomb of Horrors with a gunslinger, oracle, inquisitor, ninja, samurai, and alchemist.

I don't see how John Carter breaks the classic fantasy paradigm of Tolkein; those novels predate Tolkein's by 25 years. Expedition to the Barrier Peaks is one of the best classic AD&D adventures. (Dungeon Magazine ranked it #5 greatest D&D adventure of all time; I might rank it even higher.)

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Gorbacz wrote:

Exhibit 1:

40yr old. Started with Gygax stuff. Tolkien/Martin/Cook. Not really high opinion of John Carter or anything remotely breaking the fantasy paradigm. 1E/2E those were the days, 3E has gone all the wrong places but at least that's not the atrocity that 4E was. GM is the law, the overgod and it's his game. Players better get ready for pillars of salt and pain. The biggest problem with 3E is that it made players think they actually are entitled to something, like magic item crafting (ugh!). Is usually an introvert with some communication problems resulting from that. Thinks Pathfinder should be less crunch, more fluff, sticks with it because at least it's true to the spirit. Greyhawk, please bow your hat to Greyhawk, youngster. Fighters and Rogues are fine, you just don't know how to play them, I did since 1978 and always had a blast. All those PDFs, WinZiPs and other newfangled toys are confusing. Tomb of Horrors was the real gaming, everything afterwards is watered down cereal. Punishments for death are the thing. Guns and eastern elements are unacceptable. Dark themes and shades of grey are OK, can handle that unless it's about sex-related stuff in which case squick, this is America son, not some European red light district.

Emphasized the two points of contention.

1. Most older players I know are tech savvy. I personally have a degree in computer science.

2. I have fond memories of European red light districts. I just prefer to avoid mixing sex and AD&D these days. (I married, and am still married to, the last female DM I played with. She's the jealous type.)


I guess I'd tend to be more "grognard" as I see a shift of games going from what I remember of having more description and roleplaying to being more about the "WoW effect" of builds, powers, rollplaying and hacking shit up. If you can't blow shit up at first level and fight Dragons by 8th then people dues out.Call me crazy, but I think how heavily you rely on grids in a game strongly affects how it's played as well. It's too easy to play games like Chess now trying to figure out your AoO. It feels like a shift toward wargaming.

I like PF for it's sticking to the basic DnD idea without going over the deep end like 4e. I've tried 4e..I really have. I've given it a 2nd, 3rd, maybe 4th chance and I can't get passed how crappy it is in design and the culture it encourages. I playtested 5 early on and it was crappy. The Sheild Another person abiliy (or whatever it was called) was overpowered especially with the advantage/disadvantage rules. I did the statistics on adv. and its a pretty damn strong thing to have thats given away pretty liberally. I hope its improved since then.


I'd play at Mikaze's table too! Although again, you're all wrong. Apple Jack > All!! :)

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I *tried* 4th ed with a Saturday group, but it just didn't work for me. It felt distinctly wrong for my play style. Like some sort of World of Warcraft wannabe, where everyone had magical powers and things were always about popping the minions first. I don't mind rules or RP.

Recently tried to play 2nd Ed with a group; remembered the rules pretty well but realized I've grown beyond that system. Fondly remembered from my teenaged years, but I prefered Dragonlance to Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk.

I'm 37 this year.


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"We don't like Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails being classic rock." From an earlier poster, and I couldn't agree more. If you're a Nirvana fan, don't ask me my opinion of Kurt Cobain. You will not like me. Forever.

I'm 49 heading toward 50. I started with 1e in college, watched the cartoon every Saturday morning then gamed all the rest of the day and evening some days. I'm not a fan of anime, but do have a special place in my heart for He-Man, Transformers, and Thundercats.

I grew up reading E.R. Burroughs, Robert E. Howard, and other pulp era adventure. I'm as much Tarzan as I am John Carter and Conan. The spirits of those stories still find their way into my games. Later the "Hercules" and "Xena" series were great fun and sources of game ideas. Movies like "Beastmaster", "The Princess Bride", and the Indiana Jones trilogy (I purposely excluded the 4th movie) still cause me to think of things I could drop into a game. 80s metal music influenced my adventure writing and campaign development immensely.

I ran my most memorable campaign, a decade long homebrew, under the 2e rules before switching to 3e when it premiered. Suffered through its errors until 3.5 came out and switched to it. I took one look at 4e and walked away with a broken heart. Stumbled across Pathfinder and I ain't lookin' back.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
80s metal music influenced my adventure writing and campaign development immensely.

From a child of the '90s... awesome.

Silver Crusade

I've a friend who writes his campaigns from 80's metal, too! I've written a campaign several years back with influences from a Disturbed album.

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Hey, I post a toungue-in-cheek parody of two most extreme poles (a Pole jokes about poles, ha ha ha.) of our community and I get a really entertaining thread in return. What's not to love.

And now I finally know about Mikaze.

More.

Than I.

Ever wish I did...

(kiddin!)

Carry on, Grognards vs. Gamists!


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Nymian Harthing wrote:
I've a friend who writes his campaigns from 80's metal, too! I've written a campaign several years back with influences from a Disturbed album.

I ran a kick-ass one shot based on Dio's song "Sacred Heart" once, as well as incorporating elements of some of his other songs into different sessions. Manowar's "March for Revenge (By the Soldiers of Death)" was once the kernel of a short story arc for a PC seeking to avenge his brother's death. And I played in a game based on their "Dark Avenger" song. THAT was a memorable game!

Sorry..thread hijack.


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Character and campaign musical themes are an addiction of mine... my games always end up with soundtracks.

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THE ONLY TRUE D&D SOUNDTRACK IS

the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic OST


Gorbacz wrote:

Exhibit 1:

40yr old. Started with Gygax stuff. Tolkien/Martin/Cook. Not really high opinion of John Carter or anything remotely breaking the fantasy paradigm. 1E/2E those were the days, 3E has gone all the wrong places but at least that's not the atrocity that 4E was. GM is the law, the overgod and it's his game. Players better get ready for pillars of salt and pain. The biggest problem with 3E is that it made players think they actually are entitled to something, like magic item crafting (ugh!). Is usually an introvert with some communication problems resulting from that. Thinks Pathfinder should be less crunch, more fluff, sticks with it because at least it's true to the spirit. Greyhawk, please bow your hat to Greyhawk, youngster. Fighters and Rogues are fine, you just don't know how to play them, I did since 1978 and always had a blast. All those PDFs, WinZiPs and other newfangled toys are confusing. Tomb of Horrors was the real gaming, everything afterwards is watered down cereal. Punishments for death are the thing. Guns and eastern elements are unacceptable. Dark themes and shades of grey are OK, can handle that unless it's about sex-related stuff in which case squick, this is America son, not some European red light district.

It's a nice try. More on target than not, though the take on John Carter is a really odd one. I read of his antics before Tolkien and they have always been a source of game inspiration for me. Plus, I love PDFs on my iPad. First device to really make e-books a palatable read. And we included sex in our D&D characters' lives - hell, the campaign world was called Carnworld for a reason (it had lots of carnage, some carnal knowledge, and was heavily influenced by Conan stories).


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Gorbacz wrote:

THE ONLY TRUE D&D SOUNDTRACK IS

the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic OST

I really don't understand the appeal of My Little Pony. I'm going to be attending a con this weekend where the media room will be showing a few hours' worth of My Little Pony and the room will be full of adult men. I don't get it.

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Bill Dunn wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

THE ONLY TRUE D&D SOUNDTRACK IS

the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic OST

I really don't understand the appeal of My Little Pony. I'm going to be attending a con this weekend where the media room will be showing a few hours' worth of My Little Pony and the room will be full of adult men. I don't get it.

One of the guys in my group is really into it. He also knits and is more than a bit aspergers. I am not saying these things are related...but I'm not saying they aren't related either...


Bill Dunn wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:

THE ONLY TRUE D&D SOUNDTRACK IS

the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic OST

I really don't understand the appeal of My Little Pony. I'm going to be attending a con this weekend where the media room will be showing a few hours' worth of My Little Pony and the room will be full of adult men. I don't get it.

It's one of the few shows I allow my 5 year old daughter to watch on Netflix (she loves it!). As those shows go, it is much better than a lot of the stuff out there.

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