Why are people so easily offended these days?


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Jessica Price wrote:
Removed some posts. Please keep it civil and profanity free.

It's a little difficult to have a discussion about being offended by profanity and keep it free of profanity.

I've tried not to swear at people.


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I'm waiting for someone to be offended at you being offended by the moderator taking offense at the swearing.


I'm offended at your waiting.

Actually, I'm not really offended by the moderation. More amused.
And she didn't delete all posts with bad words in them, at least not the obfuscated ones, so I assume some discussion is OK.


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I like swearing.

Anyway, interesting article that would have been on-topic a couple of days ago:

The Rhetoric of Race in America: Why “African-American” is a Patronizing, Even Racist Term

Which is further then I'd ever have gone, but I've always said that "black" was coined by Stokeley Carmichael during the Civil Rights Movement and "African-American" was coined by Jesse Jackson around the same time as "Hymietown." (Actually, I made that last part up, but still...)


pres man wrote:

I think the issue was with this comment:

Irontruth wrote:
Couldn't I just as easily say "why don't people just stop saying offensive things?
I believe Meatrace was indicating this is an impossible standard to consider since there is no way to know in all circumstances what will be offensive or who may be listening.

Except that wasn't the only thing I posted in quotation marks, is it? I even acknowledged your point within those quotation marks and addressed it. Reply to the whole statement, don't just cherry pick the part that looks best for your point.

Silver Crusade

Personally I get offended when people aren't even trying to have a real discussion, but using words as weapons when they really don't need to be. I don't find you smarter just because you try harder to be perceived as "right" by stating whatever your point is louder/crasser/in a fully rectocranially inverted manner. At that point, I stop listening to your argument because your stance leads me to believe you have no real point other than trying to be "right".

A really wise dude once told me: The act of criticism doesn't make us superior; in fact, it shows our weaknesses to their fullest.

(I believe DQ had a more tersely and eloquently stated response, though.)


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My grandfather once told me that [paraphrasing] "When people insult you, most of the times it is either because anger is twisting their words, or because they are too uneducated to formulate the message otherwise. In the first case, a gentleman should show restraint and understanding, taking no offense; in the second, a gentleman should feel pity, taking no offense either".

I always go back to that lesson when someone insults me. Perhaps that's why I'm so hard to anger. Or maybe I'm just slow. Either case, it leads to less ulcers, I think.

Grand Lodge

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My father told me to never sweat the small stuff. He also let me in on the secret that it's all small stuff.

In seven years of knowing me, my wife has seen me angered once.


If I told someone they should or could not say a particular thing, that isn't censoring their free speech.
That's me being a jackwad who doesn't undertand I have no authority or power to censor that person's speech. I actually can not censor the speech, and they can keep on goin' should they wish.


Kryzbyn wrote:

If I told someone they should or could not say a particular thing, that isn't censoring their free speech.

That's me being a jackwad who doesn't undertand I have no authority or power to censor that person's speech. I actually can not censor the speech, and they can keep on goin' should they wish.

No, but I can inform them of the consequences of that speech. That may be as simple as me not being their friend any longer. It may be me not purchasing their product, or the products of advertisers on their show and possibly asking others to do the same. In a workplace, it may be me going to their supervisors.

But maybe that makes me a jackwad.


Do all of these high minded, don't take offense, don't censor, approaches only deal with random insults? Personal stuff.
Or do the same approaches work in more serious settings? If your boss routinely insults people of your gender or ethnicity, should you just accept it and not worry about it? It's just words, right? His attitude couldn't possibly affect hiring, raises, promotions, etc.


True...

But people who are "OMG! You can't tell someone they can't say that!" are missunderstanding how things work. Not to mention the irony.


If you ask me, no one should be allowed to yell "Fire!" inside a theatre.


TriOmegaZero wrote:

He also let me in on the secret that it's all small stuff.

Even the big stuff?


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[Reverts to 14-year-old Taoist self]

The big stuff is the smallest stuff of all.

Grand Lodge

Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Even the big stuff?

What is big to the man is small to the mountain.


What is the sound of one hand clapping?

[bubble bubble bubble]

Shadow Lodge

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Jean-Paul Sartre, Intrnet Troll wrote:

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

[bubble bubble bubble]

My ass.


TOZ wrote:
Jean-Paul Sartre, Intrnet Troll wrote:

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

[bubble bubble bubble]

My ass.

It sounds more like {whoosh whoosh whoosh] when I do it.


thejeff wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

If I told someone they should or could not say a particular thing, that isn't censoring their free speech.

That's me being a jackwad who doesn't undertand I have no authority or power to censor that person's speech. I actually can not censor the speech, and they can keep on goin' should they wish.

No, but I can inform them of the consequences of that speech. That may be as simple as me not being their friend any longer. It may be me not purchasing their product, or the products of advertisers on their show and possibly asking others to do the same. In a workplace, it may be me going to their supervisors.

But maybe that makes me a jackwad.

That's harassment. We've already established there are limits to speech that include harassment and fighting words or phoning in bomb scares or lying under oath.

Now what if your supervisor refers to people of african decent as black people instead of african-americans, and one of your co-workers is REALLY bugged by that. So he begins to use the term african-american and another co-worker is REALLY bugged by that, because he's proudly Black. Who's right?


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Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
If you ask me, no one should be allowed to yell "Fire!" inside a theatre.

And what should they yell in the event of a fire inside said theatre? ;)


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
My father told me to never sweat the small stuff. He also let me in on the secret that it's all small stuff.

About ten years ago, I made an error that cost my company eight grand.

My boss' reaction? A deep breath, and that very attitude.

He also added, "Of course I'm not going to fire you. Should I forget the two hundred grand in aged receivables I likely would never have collected without you?"

He tried to make it sound like he was simply being pragmatic, but ... he really was able to just put it in perspective and let it go.

A better man than I was at the time.


Jaelithe wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
If you ask me, no one should be allowed to yell "Fire!" inside a theatre.
And what should they yell in the event of a fire inside said theatre? ;)

Burma!


Jaelithe wrote:
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
If you ask me, no one should be allowed to yell "Fire!" inside a theatre.
And what should they yell in the event of a fire inside said theatre? ;)

EN FUEGO!


TriOmegaZero wrote:

My father told me to never sweat the small stuff. He also let me in on the secret that it's all small stuff.

In seven years of knowing me, my wife has seen me angered once.

Respect.

My father was the same. I also was lucky enough to get his sense of humour (educated laughing provincial).


Jaelithe wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
My father told me to never sweat the small stuff. He also let me in on the secret that it's all small stuff.

About ten years ago, I made an error that cost my company eight grand.

My boss' reaction? A deep breath, and that very attitude.

He also added, "Of course I'm not going to fire you. Should I forget the two hundred grand in aged receivables I likely would never have collected without you?"

He tried to make it sound like he was simply being pragmatic, but ... he really was able to just put it in perspective and let it go.

A better man than I was at the time.

Making a single costly mistake, doesn't make you a failure.

Ha, I think this has become a self-help board.


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The B vocabulary consisted of words which had been deliberately constructed for political purposes: words, that is to say, which were intended to impose a desirable mental attitude upon the person using them.

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