Andrew Turner |
I propose a Bill that makes it illegal to fail a student for arguing that the Refrigerator Fairy turns that light on and off.
As long as students are still required to answer correctly on tests, I really don't care what they privately believe. And if a student wants to submit a paper or research project that argues H. sapiens and T. rex cohabited, then awesome--as long as they follow the scientific method (...whereby they will prove themselves wrong).
I can argue all day that 2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2, but I still better answer '2' on the test.
Freehold DM |
Actually, looking at the article, I have no problem with this, if it moves forward in an intelligent fashion. There have been a lot of theories that have been laughed out over the years for exceedingly poor reasons - just look at copernicus(or was it galileo? It's 1 in the morning, I can't remember right now). But if someone's just trolling for the luls, then they deserve to fail or at most be told in all seriousness to come back later with more evidence.
Andrew Turner |
Actually, looking at the article, I have no problem with this, if it moves forward in an intelligent fashion. There have been a lot of theories that have been laughed out over the years for exceedingly poor reasons - just look at copernicus(or was it galileo? It's 1 in the morning, I can't remember right now). But if someone's just trolling for the luls, then they deserve to fail or at most be told in all seriousness to come back later with more evidence.
You should read the Bill; there's a link in the article.
This effort has absolutely nothing to do with academic freedom.
Gaekub |
Freehold DM wrote:Actually, looking at the article, I have no problem with this, if it moves forward in an intelligent fashion. There have been a lot of theories that have been laughed out over the years for exceedingly poor reasons - just look at copernicus(or was it galileo? It's 1 in the morning, I can't remember right now). But if someone's just trolling for the luls, then they deserve to fail or at most be told in all seriousness to come back later with more evidence.You should read the Bill; there's a link in the article.
This effort has absolutely nothing to do with academic freedom.
Mmmm, actually...
Students may be evaluated based upon their understanding of
course materials, but no student in any public school or institution
shall be penalized in any way because the student may subscribe to a
particular position on scientific theories. Nothing in this
subsection shall be construed to exempt students from learning,
understanding and being tested on curriculum as prescribed by state
and local education standards.
Seems like you still need to know the stuff, you just don't need to believe it. Which (speaking as someone who believes in evolution as the origin of species and becomes quite angry when schools teach intelligent design) seems like a good thing to me.
yellowdingo |
Andrew Turner wrote:I can argue all day that 2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2, but I still better answer '2' on the test.meatrace wrote:You mean 4.How dare you criticize my belief! You are actively undermining my values-based assertion that the answer better be '2'!!!
5/2=2r1
1/2=0r110/2=5r0
so 5/2=2.5
2/5=0r2
20/5=4r0
so 2/5=0.4
s/2=x2r5
s=2x+5
w/5=x5r2
w=5x+2
Andrew Turner |
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I'd say there's already a process in place to ensure a student is free to personally believe contrary to scientific evidence: the Constitution.
Despite language in the Bill, which seems to encourage open debate in the classroom, I think it is patently designed to encourage a disregard for actual science in favor of fantasy.
Freehold DM |
I'd say there's already a process in place to ensure a student is free to personally believe contrary to scientific evidence: the Constitution.
Despite language in the Bill, which seems to encourage open debate in the classroom, I think it is patently designed to encourage a disregard for actual science in favor of fantasy.
science has undergone a lot of changes over the centuries. We always like to think we know everything and that everything that came before is indisputable. It's just not the case.
Gaekub |
I'd say there's already a process in place to ensure a student is free to personally believe contrary to scientific evidence: the Constitution.
Despite language in the Bill, which seems to encourage open debate in the classroom, I think it is patently designed to encourage a disregard for actual science in favor of fantasy.
Sure, that might be the intent. Hell, I'd agree with you that that's most likely the intent. But that's not what it actually requires, and so it doesn't force anyone to actually do anything different.
You're right in that it's a redundant bill with an unfortunate motivation. I just don't think it's actually harmful.
Ambrosia Slaad |
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{dons Nomex flack-jacket} Science in the classroom is supposed to be as much about the scientific method as it is about those results: facts and tested/verified theories. Until "intelligent design" can hold up to the scrutiny of the scientific method, it doesn't belong in a science classroom any more than politics or art (although I could make a better argument for either of them than "intelligent design"). If they want to cover ID in a classroom, they should cover it in theology, along with all the other non-evidential creation origins.
Of course, teaching and developing kids' critical reasoning skills is something many schoolboard officials and politicians are also opposed to.
Freehold DM |
{dons Nomex flack-jacket} Science in the classroom is supposed to be as much about the scientific method as it is about those results: facts and tested/verified theories. Until "intelligent design" can hold up to the scrutiny of the scientific method, it doesn't belong in a science classroom any more than politics or art (although I could make a better argument for either of them than "intelligent design"). If they want to cover ID in a classroom, they should cover it in theology, along with all the other non-evidential creation origins.
Of course, teaching and developing kids' critical reasoning skills is something many schoolboard officials and politicians are also opposed to.
No problem with it being in the classroom as an example of something that doesn't stand up to the scientific method as it is currently understood. This was my introduction to intelligent design, actually.
Ambrosia Slaad |
No problem with it being in the classroom as an example of something that doesn't stand up to the scientific method as it is currently understood. This was my introduction to intelligent design, actually.
I think holding it up as an example of ID is not Science" will catch more flack for the science teacher than just omitting it to be taught elsewhere. Allowing ID in the classroom when evidence disproves it opens the door for more non-scientific and non-critical thinking.
Also, I highly recommend this NOVA program, Freehold.
thejeff |
Freehold DM wrote:No problem with it being in the classroom as an example of something that doesn't stand up to the scientific method as it is currently understood. This was my introduction to intelligent design, actually.I think holding it up as an example of ID is not Science" will catch more flack for the science teacher than just omitting it to be taught elsewhere. Allowing ID in the classroom when evidence disproves it opens the door for more non-scientific and non-critical thinking.
Also, I highly recommend this NOVA program, Freehold.
I had a great anthropology class on pseudoscience, where ID would have fit right in, but I do agree in general. Does not belong in a regular science classroom. There's barely enough time to teach the actual science. There's no need to teach junk science, even to debunk it.
Grand Magus |
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WTF
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This is awesome. America needs an ignorant lower class from which we
can harvest fresh organs to keep the rich people healthy. We'll tell the
parents their children are being sent to a magicalhappy land where all
the children's dreams are coming true. Oh, and there will be coupons.
Laws like this will make it easy on us to filter children into their
respective social class -- kinda like the sorting hat in Harry Potter.
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Calybos1 |
The problem is that students DO need to believe it---because it's the literal, factual truth.
What they're trying to do here is claim that matters of science are actually mere opinion, and that understanding/believing facts is optional as long as you can PRETEND to understand them for the sake of passing a test.
That's poor education right there. Truth isn't optional, and science isn't one opinion among many. If you believe in a 6000 year-old earth, you're not just holding a different viewpoint: you're factually incorrect. Schools shouldn't budge on this point.
Sissyl |
And every teacher there starts adding "According to Plodderingham, Dirlspork and Flump..." to every question about the state of things. You may believe the world is 6000 years old, but if you were asked about what Gomberdine thinks the age of the world is, you can't really claim you believe Gomberdine says it's 6000 years old and get an A unless he/she/it has written such. Then again, very little about America surprises me.